Black Jack wrote:Seems like they waited too long to trade OG / Siakam. Do you guys think you're well positioned now?
Lord, no, lol.
Moderators: cupcakesnake, infinite11285, Dirk, Harry Garris, ken6199, zimpy27, bwgood77, bisme37, KingDavid, Domejandro
Black Jack wrote:Seems like they waited too long to trade OG / Siakam. Do you guys think you're well positioned now?
Ray Donovan wrote:How did Toronto w/Siakam, OG &Barnes leading the way not do better in the playoffs the Last few seasons ? Had Trent Jr to shoot & a decent pt guard too + Nic Nurse is a damn good coach, smh
UcanUwill wrote:Pascal, OG and Barbes essentially play same position, their game does excell in different ways, but the fit was clunky. I think there is a reason why basketball is played the way it is, and why positions exist still. Similar case with Phoenix this year I guess, individually, these players were good.
Also, sometimes it can be as easy as, do you have best player to close out the game. These 3 weren't that.
ItsDanger wrote:Recent Raptors teams have struggled scoring in the half court. Priority #1 should be addressing that.
tsherkin wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Recent Raptors teams have struggled scoring in the half court. Priority #1 should be addressing that.
Very much so, but we have also ranked poorly from 3.
2022: 19th in volume, 20th in 3P%, 27th in pace
2023: 21st in volume, 28th in shooting, 26th in pace
2024: 22nd in volume, 27th in shooting, 11th in pace
That has not helped. And obviously post-Lowry, we didn't have any kind of quality POA dribble attack until Quickley. And we weren't running again until this season.
We have been a possession-control team (very strong on the O-boards and at avoiding turnovers) and have sucked at hitting shots from basically everywhere. This was what happened when we fielded a bunch of inefficient scorers without dynamic penetration or setup. Our offense has been a disaster; it was worse this year relative to league average than it had been since the 2012 lockout. And our rankings in previous seasons have been propped up by ORB% and TOV% as much as anything, because we've ranked 21st, 27th, 28th and 21st in team eFG% going back to 2021.
It'd be more accurate to say we just flat-out struggled to score.
ItsDanger wrote:Disagree. Prior to last season, Raps had one of best transition offenses in the league. Its half court offense especially back end of shot clock that's the problem. Essentially, a talent deficit. Debatable if management will address this.
Jabroni Lames wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Pascal, OG and Barbes essentially play same position, their game does excell in different ways, but the fit was clunky. I think there is a reason why basketball is played the way it is, and why positions exist still. Similar case with Phoenix this year I guess, individually, these players were good.
Also, sometimes it can be as easy as, do you have best player to close out the game. These 3 weren't that.
Positive net rating for that trio +3.6 with Nurse & +3.4 with Darko. Try again.
It was Nurse’s inability to optimize anybody other than FVV & Siakam as well as his stubbornness sticking to his defensive schemes that were figured out years earlier, that caused the Raptors to under-perform.
UcanUwill wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Pascal, OG and Barbes essentially play same position, their game does excell in different ways, but the fit was clunky. I think there is a reason why basketball is played the way it is, and why positions exist still. Similar case with Phoenix this year I guess, individually, these players were good.
Also, sometimes it can be as easy as, do you have best player to close out the game. These 3 weren't that.
Positive net rating for that trio +3.6 with Nurse & +3.4 with Darko. Try again.
It was Nurse’s inability to optimize anybody other than FVV & Siakam as well as his stubbornness sticking to his defensive schemes that were figured out years earlier, that caused the Raptors to under-perform.
Yeah, ok, it was depth problem as knowledgeable posters have pointed out, and positive rating doesnt mean fit could have been better as they in fact had 3 good forwards as you clearly show, but lacked sustainability in other areas. If one of the forwards was PG and obe was a C, maybe positive rating would have been better all across the board?
You really need to quote me twice in two days to show me there is some kind off fool obsessed with Nick Nurse? War is f'ing happening, get a life, I dont give a f** Nick Nurse ***ed your wife...
Sorry, bad mood, I have bigger issues than NBA coach being bad, if you so passionate,maybe later I will like to read your expose analysis where Nick Nurse failed, beside talent good, result bad stuff. Where is your piece published? But for now, let us both sit in a corner and rethink our lives, maybe?
Jabroni Lames wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Pascal, OG and Barbes essentially play same position, their game does excell in different ways, but the fit was clunky. I think there is a reason why basketball is played the way it is, and why positions exist still. Similar case with Phoenix this year I guess, individually, these players were good.
Also, sometimes it can be as easy as, do you have best player to close out the game. These 3 weren't that.
Positive net rating for that trio +3.6 with Nurse & +3.4 with Darko. Try again.
It was Nurse’s inability to optimize anybody other than FVV & Siakam as well as his stubbornness sticking to his defensive schemes that were figured out years earlier, that caused the Raptors to under-perform.