kennydorglas wrote:Yeah Ishbia likes to burn money.
EVERYTHING BURNS KENNY! EVERYTHING BURNS!
also, you gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em.
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kennydorglas wrote:Yeah Ishbia likes to burn money.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Mrs. Ganush says Matt Ishbia shames her with the way he's crippled our team financially and moving forward.
Glad someone knows where my banner is from! <3
It's definitely fitting man!
As Ishbia and Jones are managing to drag this franchise to Hell in record time with their incredibly impetuous and shortsighted moves. Although I do sometimes also miss seeing your Steve Brule avatar as it reminds me of our unfortunate luck in seemingly always cycling through owners with similar intellectual brilliance and ingenuity!....lol
grumpysaddle wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Glad someone knows where my banner is from! <3
It's definitely fitting man!
As Ishbia and Jones are managing to drag this franchise to Hell in record time with their incredibly impetuous and shortsighted moves. Although I do sometimes also miss seeing your Steve Brule avatar as it reminds me of our unfortunate luck in seemingly always cycling through owners with similar intellectual brilliance and ingenuity!....lol
Did we just become best friends?
bwgood77 wrote:Revived wrote:
So many teams are adding quality depth via the draft nowadays, this just seems extremely shortsighted.
And what do the Suns lack, depth or star power? I guess according to Ishbia and Jones, it’s more old ass washed up stars on big contracts.
I see another 2011-2020 streak within a couple of years. It will be exactly like the post Amare years. For two years we will hover around the 8th/9th spot, and then fall into oblivion for 8 years, with maybe one surprise season in there to give us false hope, and probably trade even more picks.
bwgood77 wrote:I love how Ish brags about having 5 picks in 8 years. You literally couldn't have any fewer picks due to the stepien rule. Then he talks about trading 2 of them as soon as he's able. Then we will have 3 picks (double swapped to the end of rounds) in the next 8 years. I wonder if he will brag about that too.
Presti probably reads his quotes and gets a good belly laugh.
bwgood77 wrote:I love how Ish brags about having 5 picks in 8 years. You literally couldn't have any fewer picks due to the stepien rule. Then he talks about trading 2 of them as soon as he's able. Then we will have 3 picks (double swapped to the end of rounds) in the next 8 years. I wonder if he will brag about that too.
Presti probably reads his quotes and gets a good belly laugh.
Revived wrote:
Don’t really care much for Draymond at all usually but there’s no a word he says here that isn’t true. Quite a few media folks have blasted this idiotic comment from James Jones too.
Sad thing is if you watched the press conference, you can tell James Jones actually believes what he said. It wasn’t PR bluff to try and calm down fans.
He literally thinks KD is a 22 yr old 3 year player that’s still developing.
What a joke this team front office is from top to bottom.James Jones wouldn’t even be qualified to be a scout on any other team yet he’s the GM here.
Puff wrote:bwgood77 wrote:I love how Ish brags about having 5 picks in 8 years. You literally couldn't have any fewer picks due to the stepien rule. Then he talks about trading 2 of them as soon as he's able. Then we will have 3 picks (double swapped to the end of rounds) in the next 8 years. I wonder if he will brag about that too.
Presti probably reads his quotes and gets a good belly laugh.
As you and others have mentioned the draft is the one place to find a low-priced gem to add to your team.
The great James Jones and Ish seem to think they are going to find someone this summer for the minimum that will help this franchise. It also was mentioned by gambo a couple of weeks ago that O'Neale will be getting a 4 or 5 yr package at 13-14 Mil per year. Wow. I am not impressed with this guy but it probably is the only way to create tradeable assets going forward for this management team.
This team needs another athletic big that can rebound and play defense more than any other position. That is why trading KD for any package that does not include a legit big is just plain stupid.
The only player in the big 3 I would trade is Beal and a bag of popcorn in return would suffice.
dremill24 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I find it funny that Gerald Bourget talks about supposedly setting the record straight on our draft pick situation as a media source, yet he deliberately puts out an article without ever mentioning the attached penalties of those picks swaps as a 2nd apron team making those pick swaps become the very last pick (#30) in corresponding drafts starting next summer. And then he does the same exact thing in this podcast, purposely omitting the details of those very few remaining picks left for now. Is it worse to lack journalistic integrity or the testicular fortitude to actually challenge false narratives, or is he simply letting his random instances of misplaced feelings of intellectual superiority cloud the facts of our situation? Or could it be just a matter of subjective biases?
I get that simplistically both Ishbia and Bourget are technically correct that contextually, we do have picks left in those alternating years. But for both to intentionally and cleverly mislead the representative minimal value ranges of those remaining picks as if they're actual quality assets is disappointing and ultimately disingenuous to the premise of the fan's concerns.
Aside from that point though, This podcast is a perfect example of everything that so many people on here have been saying is fundamentally wrong with James Jones regarding the draft. And his own direct comments parroting Ishbias' pompous and condescending response about not caring about the future with some 7th grader is yet another admission by Jones that he simply doesn't care about the draft, and even worse, his body of work and glaring lack of success only furthers this argument for all the elite talent he's overlooked. And a substantial reason as to why he shouldn't hold any front-office position in the NBA!
Calm down there turbo...perhaps he didnt say that the swaps dont move to the end of the first round because its not true? They wont be incurring penalties on picks that were already traded. They will be unable to trade their '32 1st if they remain over the 2nd apron by the end of the upcoming season. That will be the first time 2nd apron draft pick penalties are enforced. The swap rights for picks before that are still dependent on the records of the teams involved. It'll be the worst of the 3 picks...but wouldnt be 30th unless one of the 3 teams has the best record in the league.
perhaps he didnt say that the swaps dont move to the end of the first round because its not true?
All of the penalties for the first apron apply to the second apron as well, which is triggered when a team's salary exceeds $182.5 million. For the 2023-24 season, one additional penalty is added when crossing the second apron:
- No access to the $5 million taxpayer midlevel exception
-Starting at the end of the 2023-24 season, even more restrictions will be added to the second apron. These include:
-Teams cannot use a trade exception generated by aggregating the salaries of multiple players
-Teams cannot include cash in a trade
-Teams cannot use a trade exception generated in a prior year
-First-round picks seven years out are frozen (unable to be traded)
- A team's first-round pick is moved to the end of the first round if they remain in the second apron for three out of five seasons
They won't be incurring penalties on picks that were already traded.
They will be unable to trade their '32 1st if they remain over the 2nd apron by the end of the upcoming season.
The swap rights for picks before that are still dependent on the records of the teams involved. It'll be the worst of the 3 picks...but wouldn't be 30th unless one of the 3 teams has the best record in the league.
The Suns do not own a 2025, 2027, or 2029 first-rounder after the Kevin Durant trade, while in 2026, 2028, and 2030 they get the least favorable pick via swaps from the Durant and Beal deals.
Qwigglez wrote:Why hasn't Vogel been fired yet? We aren't seriously considering bringing him back, are we? I don't think Vogel is capable of coaching this team with 3 stars when none of the three are vocal leaders on the court.
grumpysaddle wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:grumpysaddle wrote:Glad someone knows where my banner is from! <3
It's definitely fitting man!
As Ishbia and Jones are managing to drag this franchise to Hell in record time with their incredibly impetuous and shortsighted moves. Although I do sometimes also miss seeing your Steve Brule avatar as it reminds me of our unfortunate luck in seemingly always cycling through owners with similar intellectual brilliance and ingenuity!....lol
Did we just become best friends?
Suns Will Explore Trading Draft Pick - But Should They?
The Phoenix Suns have quite a decision to make in the coming weeks when it comes to the NBA Draft
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PHOENIX -- The Phoenix Suns and key decision makers such as franchise governor Mat Ishbia will have massive decision after massive decision ahead of them this offseason.
One of the biggest will be what to do with the 22nd pick in the 2024 NBA Draft - which is set to be held weeks from now beginning on June 26. While this is considered a "weaker" draft class compared to others on the basis of star power, there are a relatively large number of experienced college athletes that could contribute to contending teams both now and well into the future. A big reason why Phoenix may decide to opt against sticking-and-picking?
It simply could have to do with the mindset the management has as a whole.
The draft hasn't been a point of emphasis for Phoenix since the 2019 - even then, James Jones opted to take a more experienced player (Cameron Johnson) compared to taking on a project. This process can be a double-edged sword, however, as Phoenix has missed out on many quality players over the years with this approach - such as Ayo Dosunmu/Herbert Jones in 2021, Andrew Nembhard/Jaylin Williams in 2022, and Marcus Sasser in 2023.
Some of those moves were necessary (traded the 2022 & 23 picks for Chris Paul/Kevin Durant), but the 2021 pick was moved in an effort to get an "NBA-ready" player in Landry Shamet.
Suns fans know how that endeavor turned out in the end. Moral of the story? The Suns shouldn't always be rushing to find ways to replace controllable, malleable prospects with players who are perceived to be more experienced and "ready to play winning basketball."
If the Suns were actually committed to evaluating the draft, they could have left 2021 with a player such as Jones or Dosunmu. Note: both are expected to receive lucrative extensions this summer with the New Orleans Pelicans and Chicago Bulls, respectively.
It's just food for thought. Perhaps Tyler Kolek or DaRon Holmes would be the player that Phoenix needs to cure the short-term depth concerns and long-term sustainability concerns in one shot.