What do you guys think is a fair offer for Johan Santana?
What do you guys think is a fair offer for Johan Santana?
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What do you guys think is a fair offer for Johan Santana?
Hey, Twins fan here...Just wondering what you guys are willing to deal for a chance at the best pitcher since Pedro Martinez's prime in Boston...
Most likely you guys will way under bid on Santana, but I'd like to get an idea of the major Red Sox prospects...
Most likely you guys will way under bid on Santana, but I'd like to get an idea of the major Red Sox prospects...
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Jacoby Ellsbury and Lars Anderson.
Or you can just let him walk after this year. I don't think you can get a ton of value for one year of a player (Ellsbury and Anderson is a ton of value), even if he is one of the most productive players in baseball.
The team that gets him is going to sign him to an extension in the 7-year 126 million dollar range.
Or you can just let him walk after this year. I don't think you can get a ton of value for one year of a player (Ellsbury and Anderson is a ton of value), even if he is one of the most productive players in baseball.
The team that gets him is going to sign him to an extension in the 7-year 126 million dollar range.
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I don't know much about Lars Anderson, could you tell me an OBJECTIVE scouting report about him?....I'm glad you said Ellsbury, shows that you are not as big of a homer as Yankees fans who say Hughes is "untouchable" even for Santana...
Unless Lars Anderson is a HUGE HUGE stud, I'd say that's not enough, but please tell me about Mr. Anderson anyways if you would...
Unless Lars Anderson is a HUGE HUGE stud, I'd say that's not enough, but please tell me about Mr. Anderson anyways if you would...
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My guess is that the offer needs no to be centered around either Ellsbury and Lester or Bucholz and Coco. To that you'd probably need to add either Lars (first baseman with power and high ceiling but a couple years away from MLB) or Lowrie (SS that depending on the scout could also play either 2b or 3b. MLB ready but not a lot of power though will probably be a 300 hitter)
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I'm assuming to get him your looking at a Clay, Lester, Crisp, and Lowrie deal.
Twins get 2 young pitchers, a center fielder that they need, and a promising middle infielder. Of course the Red Sox would have to be able to extend Santana.
Now I'm not saying the Red Sox should offer that, but I think it's going to take something like that to get Johan.
Twins get 2 young pitchers, a center fielder that they need, and a promising middle infielder. Of course the Red Sox would have to be able to extend Santana.
Now I'm not saying the Red Sox should offer that, but I think it's going to take something like that to get Johan.

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I find Ellsbury to be completely expendable but some people really love him for some reason. Seems like David DeJesus to me. Which is valuable, but not to the extent people think.
I would not trade Clay Buchholz for Johan Santana.
Lars Anderson would probably be the Twins best positional prospect and he'd be ready to take over for Morneau when he gets too expensive in a couple years. He's a lefty with a ton of power, great plate discipline, really athletic for a 1B. Scouts really love his swing. Strikes out a little too much, but he's 20 and he'll be in AA by the end of the year.
I would not trade Clay Buchholz for Johan Santana.
Lars Anderson would probably be the Twins best positional prospect and he'd be ready to take over for Morneau when he gets too expensive in a couple years. He's a lefty with a ton of power, great plate discipline, really athletic for a 1B. Scouts really love his swing. Strikes out a little too much, but he's 20 and he'll be in AA by the end of the year.
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Just a lil FYI...IMO Justin Morneau, Michael Cuddyer and Joe Mauer are the golden boys of the Minnesota Twins and it's unlikely that we'd let them walk...These three guys especially Justin and Joe are going to be extended...
about Santana, I'm thinking it'd cost Ellsbury and Clay to get a deal done...
about Santana, I'm thinking it'd cost Ellsbury and Clay to get a deal done...
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I like Ellsbury for a few reasons. A lot of his stats have been relatively consistent in the minors. His K%, BB%, GB%, LD%, BABIP are all in the same general area (with the exception of his few weeks in AA this past season). Because of this, I think that he can continue to put up a .300 average, he draws enough walks that he can be suitable as a leadoff hitter if he continues to hit .300, and with the dimensions of Fenway, I can see him putting up a lot of doubles and triples, especially if he ropes balls down the RF line because fielders are so worried about letting the ball get past him. GB% is also one of the stats that batter tend to exhibit a lot of control over from year to year and every spot in the minors, he is able to maintain a 58-61% with a good LD% (10-16%). With his blazing speed, if keeps the ball on the ground then he's going to get on base a lot.
I don't see Minnesota getting more than one of Buchholz, Lester, or Ellsbury. One of those guys is going to be included but not two of them. Looking at the Yankees boards offer, I think the Sox can trump what they are offering with a Lester/Coco (contract is subsidized)/Lowrie/Masterson deal. Lowrie hit very well this season but his lack of first step quickness will probably push him to second. Lester has the stuff to be a quality #2 if he ever develop better control. But, you need to give him a mulligan for the season because of the cancer thing. Coco is probably the best defensive CF in baseball but unfortunately, he hasn't regained his hitting touch he had in Cleveland. He is signed to a very fair market deal but if the Sox pitch in a few million, he'd cost you guys around $3 million a season. Masterson had a stretch between A and AA (he played for Lancaster in the Cali league, which is the best hitters park in the best hitter's league in the minors) where he was just lights out. He had a horrible August which boosted his AA ERA into the 4s but for July, he was well under 2. Starting from the last week of May into the first week of August, the kid was untouchable. That's a very generous package and I'm not sure the Sox are willing to part with more. Maybe they sub Jacoby in there for Lester and Crisp but I don't see the Sox giving up two of their big three.
If the Yankees offer up Hughes, take it and run because he's something special and I don't see the Sox giving up on Buchholz. We have no chance of matching any Yankees offer if Hughes is involved. If Hughes or Joba are not offered, I think the Sox have the tools to make the best offer. mahalo
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I don't see Minnesota getting more than one of Buchholz, Lester, or Ellsbury. One of those guys is going to be included but not two of them. Looking at the Yankees boards offer, I think the Sox can trump what they are offering with a Lester/Coco (contract is subsidized)/Lowrie/Masterson deal. Lowrie hit very well this season but his lack of first step quickness will probably push him to second. Lester has the stuff to be a quality #2 if he ever develop better control. But, you need to give him a mulligan for the season because of the cancer thing. Coco is probably the best defensive CF in baseball but unfortunately, he hasn't regained his hitting touch he had in Cleveland. He is signed to a very fair market deal but if the Sox pitch in a few million, he'd cost you guys around $3 million a season. Masterson had a stretch between A and AA (he played for Lancaster in the Cali league, which is the best hitters park in the best hitter's league in the minors) where he was just lights out. He had a horrible August which boosted his AA ERA into the 4s but for July, he was well under 2. Starting from the last week of May into the first week of August, the kid was untouchable. That's a very generous package and I'm not sure the Sox are willing to part with more. Maybe they sub Jacoby in there for Lester and Crisp but I don't see the Sox giving up two of their big three.
If the Yankees offer up Hughes, take it and run because he's something special and I don't see the Sox giving up on Buchholz. We have no chance of matching any Yankees offer if Hughes is involved. If Hughes or Joba are not offered, I think the Sox have the tools to make the best offer. mahalo
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dunkonu21 wrote:I don't know much about Lars Anderson, could you tell me an OBJECTIVE scouting report about him?....I'm glad you said Ellsbury, shows that you are not as big of a homer as Yankees fans who say Hughes is "untouchable" even for Santana...
Unless Lars Anderson is a HUGE HUGE stud, I'd say that's not enough, but please tell me about Mr. Anderson anyways if you would...
Hughes isn't being overvalued here, trading him for a guy 8 years older who will cost $25 million more per season is not a smart baseball move. Santana is great, but for how much longer will he be THAT much better than Hughes? In two years, when Hughes starts getting closer to his ceiling and Santana is into his 30s, the two may be putting up pretty similar numbers. So yes, Hughes is in fact "untouchable" for Santana just to get 2 vastly better years out of the guy.
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nykgeneralmanager wrote:So yes, Hughes is in fact "untouchable" for Santana just to get 2 vastly better years out of the guy.
Just let it be known...we don't all feel that way. It depends on the rest of the package...if Melky is included, I'm all for it but you can't trade Cano, Hughes and two top prospects...cant do it
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My wife's family is from Minnesota. We exchanged opinions with her father. He wished that Santana was traded last year. He didn't know if Minnesota could get a fair value. He said he would pull the trigger on Joba/Hughes and Melky or Lester/Buchholz and Coco. I asked him about Ellsbury and Buchholz. He laughed and said Boston would never do it and let the Yankees give up more prospects and pay more free agents. That's how he sees it.
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dunkonu21 wrote:That is def. possible, but I think it's more likely that a bidding war occurs...I think the Twins will be the ultimate winners in w/e deal occurs...
from what an insider (had the Arod situation info 8 hours before any news outlets as well as the Minn/Tampa deal which he had on Tuesday)is saying, Santana would veto a trade to the Sox.
& I actually wonder if Minny will be the ultimate winners. It all depends on what prospects they get.
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Bleeding Green wrote:Interesting. But why would he not want to go to a team with the resources to pay him 120 million dollars?
Maybe a Schilling-esque desire to be the #1 ace. Plus, according to Torii Hunter, he has an obsession with NYC. Maybe obsession is the wrong word but the guy is in love with the city &, interestingly enough, wouldnt mind pitching for the Mets.
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Santana is the #1 starter if he goes to Boston.
I'm assuming he would be the number 2. Not saying he should be, but after what Beckett did for Boston this past season I can't see him not starting the opener.
From the twincities.com, I guess the Red Sox have taken the lead in the Santana deal.
A deal would send Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie, and Justin Masterson to the Twins for Johan Santana.
I don't know how good the site/writer is:
http://www.twincities.com/loop/ci_75847 ... ck_check=1

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Do it. Do it. Do it. I can't stress enough how much they should do that.
And I have a huge hardon for Lowrie, Crisp and Masterson. Do it. Hell, swap Ellsbury and Crisp and still do it.
Santana is a generational talent. He's as close to Pedro Martinez as you can get. He's in his prime. You don't have to give up any truly stud prospects to get him. Do it.
110 wins next year with Santana. Book it.
And I have a huge hardon for Lowrie, Crisp and Masterson. Do it. Hell, swap Ellsbury and Crisp and still do it.
Santana is a generational talent. He's as close to Pedro Martinez as you can get. He's in his prime. You don't have to give up any truly stud prospects to get him. Do it.
110 wins next year with Santana. Book it.
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