Peak Only: Kobe/Jokic vs Curry/KG
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Peak only, which duo would you rather have?
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Well, Curry and Garnett are both top 10 peaks ever and Kobe and Jokic lie somewhere in the 12-20 range so it seems clear to me. If you try to center an argument around fitting as a duo... I don't want to state the obvious but KG and Curry are GOAT tier in port/scalability and Kobe, while fairly scalable, isn't on their level, and Jokic has a whole heap of issues on defense.
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Pretty easily Kobe/Jokic, both are a bit above Curry/KG
Jokic would be like Pau 5.0, that's a near perfect pairing
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An Unbiased Fan wrote:Pretty easily Kobe/Jokic, both are a bit above Curry/KG
Jokic would be like Pau 5.0, that's a near perfect pairing
You mean Kobe would be Murray 2.0
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The thing that might swing this to Jokic/Kobe for me is Jokic as a playoff performer to me is clearly the best here and if Kobe could truly let him have the reins on offense it would make things much easier for him. It's almost a question of would Kobe allow Jokic to do his thing to its fullest without forcing things.
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Colbinii wrote:An Unbiased Fan wrote:Pretty easily Kobe/Jokic, both are a bit above Curry/KG
Jokic would be like Pau 5.0, that's a near perfect pairing
You mean Kobe would be Murray 2.0
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An Unbiased Fan wrote:Pretty easily Kobe/Jokic, both are a bit above Curry/KG
Jokic would be like Pau 5.0, that's a near perfect pairing
Conversely, KG is like a super Draymond, and would fit very well with Steph too.
I'd take Kobe/Nikola tho, I trust them both more in the Playoffs than the other two.
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ardee wrote:An Unbiased Fan wrote:Pretty easily Kobe/Jokic, both are a bit above Curry/KG
Jokic would be like Pau 5.0, that's a near perfect pairing
Conversely, KG is like a super Draymond, and would fit very well with Steph too.
I'd take Kobe/Nikola tho, I trust them both more in the Playoffs than the other two.
KG didn't have Draymond's playmaking ability and Curry would miss that a bit.
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The pick and roll would be legendary with KG however. Defenders have to respect KG 10x more than Draymond when they have the ball in their hands too.
You gotta take the duo with the best defender and best overall offensive efficiency
You gotta take the duo with the best defender and best overall offensive efficiency
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You got a player like ANT smashing through the playoffs right now, he's such a inefficient not so great peak player like Kobe was
I don't have a problem with anyone taking KG/Curry, but I don't even know if anything is more offensively efficient by the pair, Jokic and Kobe were part of some of the most efficient offenses
I don't have a problem with anyone taking KG/Curry, but I don't even know if anything is more offensively efficient by the pair, Jokic and Kobe were part of some of the most efficient offenses
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Tesla wrote:You got a player like ANT smashing through the playoffs right now, he's such a inefficient not so great peak player like Kobe was
I don't have a problem with anyone taking KG/Curry, but I don't even know if anything is more offensively efficient by the pair, Jokic and Kobe were part of some of the most efficient offenses
Ant is a inefficient not so great peak player? He is 22, and over the 17 playoff games, averaged 29.6/5.4r/4.6a/1.6s/1.3b on .50/.39/.83 shooting, .623TS%, .20WS/48, and 8.3BPM, that's Steph Curry level efficiency...
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dygaction wrote:Tesla wrote:You got a player like ANT smashing through the playoffs right now, he's such a inefficient not so great peak player like Kobe was
I don't have a problem with anyone taking KG/Curry, but I don't even know if anything is more offensively efficient by the pair, Jokic and Kobe were part of some of the most efficient offenses
Ant is a inefficient not so great peak player? He is 22, and over the 17 playoff games, averaged 29.6/5.4r/4.6a/1.6s/1.3b on .50/.39/.83 shooting, .623TS%, .20WS/48, and 8.3BPM, that's Steph Curry level efficiency...
It was sarcasm, in general his stats as a slashing guard that plays with good energy and defense isn't the greatest, same with Kobe, its just silly to me that people just look at FG%/TS% as the barometer of what separates great players, its not nearly as important as people think, but thats my opinion.
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Tesla wrote:dygaction wrote:Tesla wrote:You got a player like ANT smashing through the playoffs right now, he's such a inefficient not so great peak player like Kobe was
I don't have a problem with anyone taking KG/Curry, but I don't even know if anything is more offensively efficient by the pair, Jokic and Kobe were part of some of the most efficient offenses
Ant is a inefficient not so great peak player? He is 22, and over the 17 playoff games, averaged 29.6/5.4r/4.6a/1.6s/1.3b on .50/.39/.83 shooting, .623TS%, .20WS/48, and 8.3BPM, that's Steph Curry level efficiency...
It was sarcasm, in general his stats as a slashing guard that plays with good energy and defense isn't the greatest, same with Kobe, its just silly to me that people just look at FG%/TS% as the barometer of what separates great players, its not nearly as important as people think, but thats my opinion.
We have different views on his offense. imo he is playing more like 97 MJ on offense at least in this playoff, very poised and dependable with a back to the basket fadaway jumper - of course athletesm is there whenever needed.
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Laimbeer wrote:ardee wrote:An Unbiased Fan wrote:Pretty easily Kobe/Jokic, both are a bit above Curry/KG
Jokic would be like Pau 5.0, that's a near perfect pairing
Conversely, KG is like a super Draymond, and would fit very well with Steph too.
I'd take Kobe/Nikola tho, I trust them both more in the Playoffs than the other two.
KG didn't have Draymond's playmaking ability and Curry would miss that a bit.
Garnett was a better playmaker than draymond
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dygaction wrote:Tesla wrote:dygaction wrote:
Ant is a inefficient not so great peak player? He is 22, and over the 17 playoff games, averaged 29.6/5.4r/4.6a/1.6s/1.3b on .50/.39/.83 shooting, .623TS%, .20WS/48, and 8.3BPM, that's Steph Curry level efficiency...
It was sarcasm, in general his stats as a slashing guard that plays with good energy and defense isn't the greatest, same with Kobe, its just silly to me that people just look at FG%/TS% as the barometer of what separates great players, its not nearly as important as people think, but thats my opinion.
We have different views on his offense. imo he is playing more like 97 MJ on offense at least in this playoff, very poised and dependable with a back to the basket fadaway jumper - of course athletesm is there whenever needed.
I think we very much agree, I brought ANT up into this because I am a huge fan of his game and think it produces winning basketball, I also think the stats are not the greatest (still very good), but thats not important to me, that was my point.
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I'd take Curry and KG pretty easily. They fit together perfectly, much better than Kobe and Jokic plus they have better overall talent. Peak KG is probably about 99% as valuable as peak Jokic, but I don't think peak Kobe is in the same stratosphere as peak Steph. Most of the arguments for Kobe are about him being very good for a long time, but he never even peaked as the best player in the league.