2024 NBA Playoffs Round 1 Game 7: (5) Orlando Magic at (4) Cleveland Cavaliers - Series Tied 3-3

[MrBigShot]

Chin up guys, you exceeded expectations and had a very good year, would be in the 2nd round if not for Franz shooting poorly. Paolo's a perennial all star in the making.

[thelead]

One thing I'm sure we can all agree with, Ingles' option cannot be picked up this summer. Dude is washed.

[RichCollab]

Oh I'm also in agreement with Pepe. Isaac was a huge disappointment. It's almost like he gets cult status, similar to Fultz. We spend all this time managing his minutes and ramping him up slowly to finally unleash him and he lets out a big hollow fart.

My hottest take? Jonathan Isaac should be on the trade market. He's the ultimate sell high candidate.

JI wasn’t the X factor we needed. I’m glad JI had the season he needed and can’t wait to see him get another healthy season in.

[thelead]

Chin up guys, you exceeded expectations and had a very good year, would be in the 2nd round if not for Franz shooting poorly. Paolo's a perennial all star in the making.

Thanks, can you guys send us Fontecchio?

[Rainwater]

Worst FG% on high volume in game 7 history is an insight I could live without.

Speaks to how great this team is, though. We were firmly in the game, never letting go of the rope, despite historically poor shooting from Franz, with Suggs close behind.

Honestly, having clarity on our pecking order can be a good thing going forward. Franz will continue to be an advanced stats darling because he is an elite defender with a hyper efficient and effective offensive game.

If he would have balled out in game 7, he'd go from his top 20 trajectory into a top 10 trajectory. That's how difficult it is to have great performances in a game 7.

I have zero doubts that he's our second option.

For Suggs, I'm still not convinced he's third option material, but I think he's done enough to warrant the reps. While the core is still on their rookie scale contracts we are still focused on player development.

I don’t see how people view Suggs as a third option. He only avgs 13 points, most his shots are created for him, he really isn’t much of creator at all. I feel like his best role is similar to what AG is in Denver.

I feel like when people see 20+ points for Suggs, they think he is getting that on his own. But if you the game those shots are being created by others, mostly Paolo and Franz.

[KillMonger]

Oh I'm also in agreement with Pepe. Isaac was a huge disappointment. It's almost like he gets cult status, similar to Fultz. We spend all this time managing his minutes and ramping him up slowly to finally unleash him and he lets out a big hollow fart.

My hottest take? Jonathan Isaac should be on the trade market. He's the ultimate sell high candidate.

Yeah it was kinda shocking to see how ineffective he was, but I don't think it helped having to chase guards around screens.... Don't know what mose was thinking there

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[byeganyo]

Oh I'm also in agreement with Pepe. Isaac was a huge disappointment. It's almost like he gets cult status, similar to Fultz. We spend all this time managing his minutes and ramping him up slowly to finally unleash him and he lets out a big hollow fart.

My hottest take? Jonathan. Isaac should be on the trade market. He's the ultimate sell high candidate.

I don't think he was put in the best position chasing on the perimeter so much. It took him completely away from protecting the rim. That was the issue.

Game 1 we tried him as a rim protector, it didnt worked out too..

[thelead]

Oh I'm also in agreement with Pepe. Isaac was a huge disappointment. It's almost like he gets cult status, similar to Fultz. We spend all this time managing his minutes and ramping him up slowly to finally unleash him and he lets out a big hollow fart.

My hottest take? Jonathan. Isaac should be on the trade market. He's the ultimate sell high candidate.

I don't think he was put in the best position chasing on the perimeter so much. It took him completely away from protecting the rim. That was the issue.

Game 1 we tried him as a rim protector, it didnt worked out too..

That was against Allen. With Mobley out there, Isaac should not have been chasing around Mitchell and Garland

[SOUL]

Isaac was a huge part of the reason our regular season was so good. Not sure he is ready to scale quite yet though. Disappointed in his series as well, but I do think this matchup was maybe his worst in the first round.

I don't think he was put in the best position chasing on the perimeter so much. It took him completely away from protecting the rim. That was the issue.

Yeah, but he was also not great guarding their bigs either the first two games because it took him away from the perimeter.. so that basically only leaves him on Strus or Okoro or whichever wing they have, but then Paolo/Franz or whoever is forced to expend more energy on guards or have to switch on centers.

Just not a great matchup for him tbh.

[RichCollab]

Worst FG% on high volume in game 7 history is an insight I could live without.

Speaks to how great this team is, though. We were firmly in the game, never letting go of the rope, despite historically poor shooting from Franz, with Suggs close behind.

Honestly, having clarity on our pecking order can be a good thing going forward. Franz will continue to be an advanced stats darling because he is an elite defender with a hyper efficient and effective offensive game.

If he would have balled out in game 7, he'd go from his top 20 trajectory into a top 10 trajectory. That's how difficult it is to have great performances in a game 7.

I have zero doubts that he's our second option.

For Suggs, I'm still not convinced he's third option material, but I think he's done enough to warrant the reps. While the core is still on their rookie scale contracts we are still focused on player development.

I don’t see how people view Suggs as a third option. He only avgs 13 points, most his shots are created for him, he really isn’t much of creator at all. I feel like his best role is similar to what AG is in Denver.

I feel like when people see 20+ points for Suggs, they think he is getting that on his own. But those shots are being created by others, mostly Paolo and Franz.

He is 22 and had big improvements this year. I don’t see how you can rule him out as a future 3rd option.

[byeganyo]

Franz sucked tonight, sucked. Him and Garland were unwatchable.

That said, to me, biggest dissapointment is Isaac. He is guy people here throw in random "DPOY " conversations, and in reality he just guy who plays harder than rest of players play in regular season, and has no second gear to kick in playoffs.

Happend vs Raptors, happend again. Has no offense, smart teams still know how to avoid him in pick&roll and Allen and Mobley simply outclassed him. Especially Mobley, given Allen didn't play in last 3 games ( after averaging 17-14 on 68% FG in first 4 games ).



Thing is, we rely heavily on our bench in regular season, and those role players play better at home, and that's pretty much how playoffs played out, we won at home ,lost on a road.


And lastly , congratulations to Cavs, Mitchell is incredible. Fact he went to talk to Garland, who looked like guy on verge of quitting basketball at half, says a lot about Mitchell as both teammate and person.
This is first Cavs Lebronless playoff series win in past 30 years.

Bro Isaac is not what's swinging this series. Franz going 1-15 in a closeout game and shooting under 30% from 3 for the series, like he did for an entire season is what swings a series.

Highest payed player on a roster is being babied whole year ( several years in fact) just to be "fresh" for playoffs, to play 21 min and average 5 points ,4 rebounds and 1 block?
And his "out of a world defense" turned into him struggling to stay in front of Levert and being dwarfed by Allen ?

Franz had terrible game, Isaac looks like irrelevant role player each and every game. Again, as player who didn't play back to backs, who had scheduled rest games in his schedule, who people here claim is "best defender in nba".

In two elimination games he scores 2 points, 0 steals 1 block.

This management seem to be in love with Isaac, so there is fat chance happening, but trading him in the summer could be such a blessing, you said it, even at his best he is one way player

[Bensational]

That said, to me, biggest dissapointment is Isaac. He is guy people here throw in random "DPOY " conversations, and in reality he just guy who plays harder than rest of players play in regular season, and has no second gear to kick in playoffs.

Happend vs Raptors, happend again. Has no offense, smart teams still know how to avoid him in pick&roll and Allen and Mobley simply outclassed him. Especially Mobley, given Allen didn't play in last 3 games ( after averaging 17-14 on 68% FG in first 4 games )

Yeah, Isaac was pretty underwhelming in his defensive impact. He really didn't seem to be much of a game changer on defense. Wasn't able to play the kind of game that lets him roam. Wendell responded better and adapted to what the team needed, and credit to WCJ for that.

[Rainwater]

I don’t think that’s even in the world of possibilities but I also don’t think that his contract should even be close to that. Herb Jones’ contract should be the starting point of negotiations IMO.

What did Herb get? And What did Marcus Smart get? I always thought Smart and Suggs were similar players.

And in terms of roles, I really feel like what AG is to Denver is what Suggs is to Orlando. In the ideal world the 4th or 5th option offensively but best player defensively.

4/54

That's obviously lower than what he'll get but that should be the starting point IMO. He's worth more to us than Herb is worth to NO but that what the negotiations should be about. Herb is an all-NBA caliber defender as well who shot 42% from 3 this season. I think Suggs has more potential but you can't overspend on potential.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081320-herb-jones-pelicans-agree-to-4-year-54m-contract-after-team-option-was-declined

I think that is a good starting point i think he gets about 4/88

[Ducklett]

Trade Isaac or don't, I really don't care, but the hard on for him when we have 7-8 dudes that need to go before him is pretty insane.

[SOUL]

I feel like when people see 20+ points for Suggs, they think he is getting that on his own. But those shots are being created by others, mostly Paolo and Franz.

He has to show that his shot is for real, but his mechanics are pretty great and he is our highest volume three point shooter. I think he's had a bum wrist the whole year too. He also played a bit of a passive role but he can create for himself pretty well.

I think if he learns how to incorporate the mid game more and draw fouls a bit more often, then I mean.. I honestly have more faith at Suggs settling into a #3 role right now than Franz as a #2, just because that of his shot. It's a lower bar but imo easier to see.

Although we may always want his energy on defense too.

[Bensational]

I don't think he was put in the best position chasing on the perimeter so much. It took him completely away from protecting the rim. That was the issue.

Game 1 we tried him as a rim protector, it didnt worked out too..

That was against Allen. With Mobley out there, Isaac should not have been chasing around Mitchell and Garland

Seeing how much Mobley shut down the paint for us even with Allen out left me very disappointed in Isaac as a comparison. But I think it was the defensive game plan for this matchup more than Isaac individually.

[eyriq]

Worst FG% on high volume in game 7 history is an insight I could live without.

Speaks to how great this team is, though. We were firmly in the game, never letting go of the rope, despite historically poor shooting from Franz, with Suggs close behind.

Honestly, having clarity on our pecking order can be a good thing going forward. Franz will continue to be an advanced stats darling because he is an elite defender with a hyper efficient and effective offensive game.

If he would have balled out in game 7, he'd go from his top 20 trajectory into a top 10 trajectory. That's how difficult it is to have great performances in a game 7.

I have zero doubts that he's our second option.

For Suggs, I'm still not convinced he's third option material, but I think he's done enough to warrant the reps. While the core is still on their rookie scale contracts we are still focused on player development.

I don’t see how people view Suggs as a third option. He only avgs 13 points, most his shots are created for him, he really isn’t much of creator at all. I feel like his best role is similar to what AG is in Denver.

I feel like when people see 20+ points for Suggs, they think he is getting that on his own. But those shots are being created by others, mostly Paolo and Franz.

His usage is around third option territory and he's improved efficiency each season. I think he still has another level to reach with improvement to his handle.

Low-key though I think AB's offensive upside is higher due to his free throw rate and off-ball IQ, areas where he's superior to Suggs. We'll see. Could all be moot if we trade for a young player that's already established as 3rd option material.

[eyriq]

Isaac was a huge part of the reason our regular season was so good. Not sure he is ready to scale quite yet though. Disappointed in his series as well, but I do think this matchup was maybe his worst in the first round.

I don't think he was put in the best position chasing on the perimeter so much. It took him completely away from protecting the rim. That was the issue.

Yeah, but he was also not great guarding their bigs either the first two games because it took him away from the perimeter.. so that basically only leaves him on Strus or Okoro or whichever wing they have, but then Paolo/Franz or whoever is forced to expend more energy on guards or have to switch on centers.

Just not a great matchup for him tbh.

No, he wasn't. That's an exaggeration. He wasn't even top ten in minutes played.

[byeganyo]

Worst FG% on high volume in game 7 history is an insight I could live without.

Speaks to how great this team is, though. We were firmly in the game, never letting go of the rope, despite historically poor shooting from Franz, with Suggs close behind.

Honestly, having clarity on our pecking order can be a good thing going forward. Franz will continue to be an advanced stats darling because he is an elite defender with a hyper efficient and effective offensive game.

If he would have balled out in game 7, he'd go from his top 20 trajectory into a top 10 trajectory. That's how difficult it is to have great performances in a game 7.

I have zero doubts that he's our second option.

For Suggs, I'm still not convinced he's third option material, but I think he's done enough to warrant the reps. While the core is still on their rookie scale contracts we are still focused on player development.

If Franz is our 2nd option, this is probably our cap, first round, maybe 2nd if we get lucky Pacers style.
He shot 27% in Cleveland in 4 games. But most importantly, he played scared today. He is world champion, why he shat his panths?
Suggs at least kept his temperament and played with the same bravado he always does. Franz looked lost.

[KillMonger]

Funny thing is I'm actually headed to cancun very soon lol maybe I'll see some nba players there

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