-MetA4- wrote:Mehar wrote:s e n s i wrote:a couple of weeks lol
moreno's had enough time in the MLB and has yet to show he can hit the ball out of the infield with any consistency. at least kirk and varsho have proven to be able to do that in their careers.
I am talking about a 162 Game Regular Season in 2023 Sensi or Randle (no need to have two different accounts, just stick with 1 on here). Gurriel had a solid year overall last year (All-Star Appearance), including defensively in LF in terms of Defensive Runs Saved and other metrics. Moreno hit .284 last year as a Rookie which was above average, and had a higher OPS, On Base, and BA over both Kirk and Varsho. Moreno is a Second year player, while Kirk has been terrible since the second half of 2022; and Varsho sucked offensively last year in his 4th year.
Varsho has been a terrible hitter for his career. The numbers do not lie. Let's see what 2024 brings. Except for his one hot week hitting two weeks ago, Varsho is back in his mini slump. Are we comparing Gurriel vs. Varsho, and Kirk vs. Moreno like you wanted to do previously? How about Kirk's struggles? Eliminate his last game, and he had been more trash than Moreno this month.
You did not want to judge this trade after last year, when both Kirk and Varsho sucked offensively. You want to judge it now after one month in the second year, after Varsho had his hot week two weeks ago, and Moreno struggled to start this year. So you want to pretend that a 162 Game Season last year basically did not matter, when both Gurriel and Moreno were instrumental in playing a big part in a trip to the World Series for Arizona? You are laughable like your hero Mike Shillner.
PSA: Gabriel Moreno has not proven anything yet. I don't think you actually understand this.
When you say moronic things like: "Varsho has been a terrible hitter for his career", do you not understand that people have the internet?
In 2022 Varsho posted a 107 wRC+ in 151 games played. This is a better offensive season than anything that Moreno has done so far as a professional. Yes, this was a better offensive performance than Moreno's 103 wRC+ in 111 games last year, which is actually Moreno's only real data-point (no, his ~70 plate appearances sample as a Blue Jays does not count for anything). So what the hell are you even talking about? If Varsho has been "terrible", just what exactly do you think Moreno is? Mike Trout?
I've never seen someone try to beat their chest over 103 wRC+ last season, and 90 wRC+ this season with ZERO power. This is your god?
You better start praying that Moreno learns to hit the ball out of the infield sometime soon. He has a .108 ISO in his MLB career (164 games). That is....not good.
Varsho is around a career .225 hitter going into today. That to me to is a terrible hitter. He hit .188 in his Rookie Year, and .235 in 2022, which was also below average for that year and nothing special. I was mainly talking about the 2023 Season. Varsho was atrocious last year with a .220 BA and .674 OPS. Where is the lie and what is moronic about that?
I do not consider Moreno no God by the way. When you are trading the Best Catching Prospect in MLB who was a consensus top 3 Prospect at that time with 7 years of control, and throwing in Gurriel also who hit .290 in 2022, I expected more than a below average hitter in return like Varsho who in 2023 had a horrible BA, OPS, OBP, and Struck out a tonne to boot.
I am willing to see what Varsho does in 2024, but take out his one hot week in April where everyone got excited, and he has been terrible for the other 4 weeks offensively. However, Varsho is not even the main issue when you have guys like Kirk, Guerrero, Bichette, and Springer all well below their career numbers.