Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[eyriq]

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Monk solves this

He does indeed. Interesting to consider. So does AB, hypothetically.

[Knightro]

What would you do?

I would aggressively look to acquire a lead guard, whether that's Trae or Murray or Russell or Monk (if you think he can be a PG) or somebody else.

I would move Suggs to full time SG and I would have Paolo and Franz facilitating less than they do now.

I'm not suggesting any of those three guys should never handle the ball or never initiate offense, but I think there's a way to find the happy medium between never and always.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

adding Klay and ignoring the whole void of playmaking and skill to running an offense would be sickening. Also think it's funny that people think this FO would even entertain the idea of overpaying for Klay

I'm not sure the front office sees it the same way we see it.

I think it's at least possible that they want Paolo and Franz to continue to be the primary facilitators in the halfcourt.

We'll just have to see.

Which is where my hope for a Tyus like guard would work. A smaller usage rate and dealt with Poole/FKyleKuzma be ball hogs yet still had a positive year. He doesn't have to have the ball in his hand but if he does we're not screwed because he can run sets and shoot.

My biggest worry is that we don't see Paolo clean up these turnovers and we become too dependent on ISO P.

[Knightro]

Klay only makes sense if you are completely convinced that Paolo and Franz and Suggs are all going to level up their playmaking and facilitating to a place far beyond where it was this year.

Otherwise, go get a guard.

[bigdogdylan5]

I fear this roster will be tough to round out. I understand they want to keep the ball in Paolo and Franz hands as the ultimate ceiling of this team is they are very versatile offensive playmakers. However this offense this year proved that might not be one year out. It might be several years out. You need a more traditional point guard to help out until they’re ready even if it’s 20 minutes a game. You also need shooting but if you pay a lot for a shooter then that forces Suggs to be that facilitator which he is not ready for. I think you really have room for one acquisition. Black needs to get consistent minutes and if Jeff is going to speak so awesomely about Jett like he did yesterday he has earned minutes too.

[Knightro]

Which is where my hope for a Tyus like guard would work. A smaller usage rate and dealt with Poole/FKyleKuzma be ball hogs yet still had a positive year. He doesn't have to have the ball in his hand but if he does we're not screwed because he can run sets and shoot.

My biggest worry is that we don't see Paolo clean up these turnovers and we become too dependent on ISO P.

My concern with Tyus, and maybe some of this can be explained away by the fact he played on a tanking team where nothing mattered, but EPM ranked him as the 501st player defensively this year.

That's bottom of the barrel bad.

Offensively he's certainly a steady hand. High assist and low turnover and he shot the ball very well this year too.

Not sure he's a starter on a good team. Feels like he is best suited to play the role he played in Memphis a couple of years ago.

Coming off the bench and playing about 20 MPG on a 56 win team. Basically I'd love to get him to fill Cole's role, but I don't think he really solves the lead guard problem.

[Knightro]

3 years / $100 million for a 34 year old on their decline. Yeah.... I'd rather not take that chance. That's the type of move that can handicap a teams future. But I'm not sure if the reward is worth that much of a risk.

Malik Monk at least I can see having a new gear with new opportunities. For me.... The best of klay Thompson is probably in the rear view mirror. Not that i wouldn't want him.... It's just at what cost.

It would be 2/65 realistically. The third year would be a team option the Magic would decline.

[basketballRob]

Simons only has 2 years $53m left on his deal. We could acquire him and keep everyone but Okeke and Fultz.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Which is where my hope for a Tyus like guard would work. A smaller usage rate and dealt with Poole/FKyleKuzma be ball hogs yet still had a positive year. He doesn't have to have the ball in his hand but if he does we're not screwed because he can run sets and shoot.

My biggest worry is that we don't see Paolo clean up these turnovers and we become too dependent on ISO P.

My concern with Tyus, and maybe some of this can be explained away by the fact he played on a tanking team where nothing mattered, but EPM ranked him as the 501st player defensively this year.

That's bottom of the barrel bad.

Offensively he's certainly a steady hand. High assist and low turnover and he shot the ball very well this year too.

Not sure he's a starter on a good team. Feels like he is best suited to play the role he played in Memphis a couple of years ago.

Coming off the bench and playing about 20 MPG on a 56 win team. Basically I'd love to get him to fill Cole's role, but I don't think he really solves the lead guard problem.

Honestly I'd love to package Cole + our 24 pick for something better or another wing. Grab Monk & Tyus and ride with WCJ/Wagner at C.

Monk/Tyus
Suggs/Black

that's a tasty guard rotation

[eyriq]

How this front office projects AB, Suggs, and Jett is very important to understand. I don't really have a clue what they think about them.

[IllMagic04]

What would you do?

I would aggressively look to acquire a lead guard, whether that's Trae or Murray or Russell or Monk (if you think he can be a PG) or somebody else.

I would move Suggs to full time SG and I would have Paolo and Franz facilitating less than they do now.

I'm not suggesting any of those three guys should never handle the ball or never initiate offense, but I think there's a way to find the happy medium between never and always.

How aggressive would you be for Trae or Murray. What package would you offer?

[Knightro]

What would you do?

I would aggressively look to acquire a lead guard, whether that's Trae or Murray or Russell or Monk (if you think he can be a PG) or somebody else.

I would move Suggs to full time SG and I would have Paolo and Franz facilitating less than they do now.

I'm not suggesting any of those three guys should never handle the ball or never initiate offense, but I think there's a way to find the happy medium between never and always.

How aggressive would you be for Trae or Murray. What package would you offer?

For Young... any combinations of players not named Paolo, Franz, Suggs and Isaac along with 3 firsts

For Murray... none of the players listed above, one of Black or Howard along with 2 firsts

[zaymon]

I would aggressively look to acquire a lead guard, whether that's Trae or Murray or Russell or Monk (if you think he can be a PG) or somebody else.

I would move Suggs to full time SG and I would have Paolo and Franz facilitating less than they do now.

I'm not suggesting any of those three guys should never handle the ball or never initiate offense, but I think there's a way to find the happy medium between never and always.

How aggressive would you be for Trae or Murray. What package would you offer?

For Young... any combinations of players not named Paolo, Franz, Suggs and Isaac along with 3 firsts

For Murray... none of the players listed above, one of Black or Howard along with 2 firsts

You wouldnt trade JI seeing he is propably not ideal option in our closing 5 ?
What about Suggs, Isaac, WCJ + our 2024,2025,2026 frp ?

[Skybox]

I would aggressively look to acquire a lead guard, whether that's Trae or Murray or Russell or Monk (if you think he can be a PG) or somebody else.

I would move Suggs to full time SG and I would have Paolo and Franz facilitating less than they do now.

I'm not suggesting any of those three guys should never handle the ball or never initiate offense, but I think there's a way to find the happy medium between never and always.

How aggressive would you be for Trae or Murray. What package would you offer?

For Young... any combinations of players not named Paolo, Franz, Suggs and Isaac along with 3 firsts

For Murray... none of the players listed above, one of Black or Howard along with 2 firsts

True that Trae has way more trade value...I think Murray would be a far better fit in ORL. Mosley will send Trae to the G League to work on defensive drills with our frp.

Seriously, the defensive identity is an issue and the total ball-dominance. Trae's a great passer and scorer, but I just don't know if Paolo and Franz wouldn't be terribly marginalized standing in the dunker's spot waiting for Trae to bless them or hoping he misses so they can get a outback. Their talents are so wrapped up in handling the ball.

[VFX]

I would aggressively look to acquire a lead guard, whether that's Trae or Murray or Russell or Monk (if you think he can be a PG) or somebody else.

I would move Suggs to full time SG and I would have Paolo and Franz facilitating less than they do now.

I'm not suggesting any of those three guys should never handle the ball or never initiate offense, but I think there's a way to find the happy medium between never and always.

How aggressive would you be for Trae or Murray. What package would you offer?

For Young... any combinations of players not named Paolo, Franz, Suggs and Isaac along with 3 firsts

For Murray... none of the players listed above, one of Black or Howard along with 2 firsts

Im cool with throwing Isaac into a deal with multiple firsts if that’s what it took to get Murray. Especially if the alternative is Klay Thompson…

[bigdogdylan5]

Simons only has 2 years $53m left on his deal. We could acquire him and keep everyone but Okeke and Fultz.

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I feel even stronger with Weltman’s comments yesterday where he said they would only add if it doesn’t mess up what we currently have. Simon’s defense is just going to be an issue for front office and Mosley if he has any say.

[basketballRob]

Simons only has 2 years $53m left on his deal. We could acquire him and keep everyone but Okeke and Fultz.

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I feel even stronger with Weltman’s comments yesterday where he said they would only add if it doesn’t mess up what we currently have. Simon’s defense is just going to be an issue for front office and Mosley if he has any say.

Thompson isn't good on defense either. One thing that Simons would do is make the other team work on defense. If you just sit in the corner, you aren't making them work.

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[Skybox]

Simons only has 2 years $53m left on his deal. We could acquire him and keep everyone but Okeke and Fultz.

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I feel even stronger with Weltman’s comments yesterday where he said they would only add if it doesn’t mess up what we currently have. Simon’s defense is just going to be an issue for front office and Mosley if he has any say.

I still think it's somewhat "cultural" and coaching...Fultz was a terrible defender prior to Mosley. Cole still is marginal, at best - but he does work hard. Ingles is, well, Ingles...Simons would give such dramatic offensive improvement that it'd be worth a try. He's got a 6'9 wingspan, he's very young and is as physically gifted as anyone in the NBA. I can see how you play next to Dame or Trae and take defense lightly or on a tanking team in POR (when you're not sitting out to help draft odds), but we've all heard Cole and others talk about how contagious Suggs' effort is.

Team Defense is fun when you've got that rep and savages like Suggs and Isaac (and, maybe, Black) in the trenches with you. When they start locking guys down and making them whine to the refs - it becomes a real team identity when noone enjoys playing your team, regardless of where you are relative in the standings.

[cedric76]

Simons only has 2 years $53m left on his deal. We could acquire him and keep everyone but Okeke and Fultz.

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I feel even stronger with Weltman’s comments yesterday where he said they would only add if it doesn’t mess up what we currently have. Simon’s defense is just going to be an issue for front office and Mosley if he has any say.

Simmons'contrat is an issue, he ll expire summer 2026, meaning that you would have to offer him a big contract which won't be ideal as Paolo+Franz and suggs will already be on the books

The best fit (player and contract wise) is Murray but he ll be really expensive to get

The 2nd best fit is monk, as we would lock him for 4yrs.

As I mentioned many times, monk would be a great asset, you never know he could be traded in December for an unhappy Star like Mitchell or Murray

I can't see how we don't go for Monk

Ps: PG13 could be a big gamble but I don't see him leaving LAC

[Knightro]

Im cool with throwing Isaac into a deal with multiple firsts if that’s what it took to get Murray. Especially if the alternative is Klay Thompson…

I'd be more interested in including Isaac in a trade for Murray than I would be trading Isaac for Young.

If you're going to commit to the Trae Young experience, you're committing to the bad parts of it too (aka defense).

So I absolutely am looking to keep Isaac for defensive purposes if they bring in Young.