firedavidkahn wrote:UcanUwill wrote:firedavidkahn wrote:Just because Wemby had worse teammates doesn't mean he is a better defensive player.
Focusing on that stuff is kinda immaterial
How the f Wemby having worse teammate improve his defensive stats? I mean yes, it improves on/off stat and only that stat, but I think it is there to show why that team was bottom feeder, despite having most dominant defensive player in the world.
The on/off defensive rating, for just one example.
Same thing happened to MVP level players who are playing on stacked teams. They get "penalized" because they also happen to have great teammates vs. the other (maybe very slightly worse player) playing with Scrubs.
For MVP, in my opinion, on surface, stars with greatest teammates often do not need to be as valuable, and arent as valuable because of it, they can be saved up more, and they dont need to give it all as much. So yes, I would penelize a guy if he plays with 4 all stars, especially if the competition is as fierce as it is now, and some guys wield astonishing results with less talent surrounding them. Like this year, Tatum is in MVP talks, he is not the most valuable player in a league, he is simply best guy on stacked team, he is not as valuable as some other guys, but thats my opinion since measuring that is not exact science.
But anyhow, voters always rewarded winning, and I am not saying winning shouldn't be rewarded, because its the last and only real goal, but in team sport, to draw a line where team thing ends and where individual valuability begins, is hard and arbitrary.
Anyhow, a lot of stats favor Wembanyama, because he is great and probably the best, not because his teammates are worse, and if anything, his case and most advanced srats can only suffer, because of it. This is probably the first time I hear a claim guy has better defensive metrics because his team is bad...