Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[cedric76]

No to Trae Young and no to Simons. Why? Because we have Malik Monk who can't wait to be signed to a team this summer as a free agent. Simons will probably cost of 1 or 2 FRP plus young players. Why would we do that? No to Trae Young also. Big usage rate on offense plus no defense. Plain and simple

Look: if this offseason is to reup Ingles, Isaac, and M-Wagner, resign Bitadze, draft an upperclassman in Carter, and then use the cap space to sign Monk, I would call that "Job well Done"

Suggs/Black/D-Carter
Monk/Anthony/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac
W-Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

This is the low-bar of the off-season. And even in this, the team is better. Personally I'd like to see Anthony (and another asset?) traded for a more classic back-up SG in htis roster. And a vet combo-forward would be nice.

I personally don't like the roster, but it is better than the 2023/24 roster.

Amen, finally someone seeing the light

[dsg2021]

Why not both Monk and Simons as well? Did I miss some pages about that idea. One or both might get into 24 MPG with Suggs, AB, Jett, Cole out there still, but that's just maintaining a league-leading bench with Mo and JI. I like both guards if we somehow grab a Center upgrade too, someone with length and mimic'ing JI a little bit (We just saw one in Mobley). I'm still intrigued by Klay but I'm talking really good value contract here.

But we may have to keep an eye on the ball, keep some type of trading flexibility with good value contracts, 1/2 year contracts, and picks. We might be starting to get into position for a star signing or trade. I think PG-13 as pseudo-SG has years left. If Donovan was impressed enough by us too..

[basketballRob]

Simmons, Windhorst, Russilo, and more have said Franz isn't a max player.

You seem like a pretty easily influenced person.

I've been saying the same thing all year.

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[basketballRob]

It sounded like Weltman wants to get the Wagner and Suggs extensions done this summer. Pretty smart of him.

I would take Monk over Simons just based on durability.

He said he would negotiate with them when asked about it.

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[meatwad4343]

No to Trae Young and no to Simons. Why? Because we have Malik Monk who can't wait to be signed to a team this summer as a free agent. Simons will probably cost of 1 or 2 FRP plus young players. Why would we do that? No to Trae Young also. Big usage rate on offense plus no defense. Plain and simple

Look: if this offseason is to reup Ingles, Isaac, and M-Wagner, resign Bitadze, draft an upperclassman in Carter, and then use the cap space to sign Monk, I would call that "Job well Done"

Suggs/Black/D-Carter
Monk/Anthony/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac
W-Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

This is the low-bar of the off-season. And even in this, the team is better. Personally I'd like to see Anthony (and another asset?) traded for a more classic back-up SG in htis roster. And a vet combo-forward would be nice.

I personally don't like the roster, but it is better than the 2023/24 roster.

Amen, finally someone seeing the light

If Jett is buried that far on the bench next year again I'd rather just trade him now while he has at least a small amount of value

[cedric76]

Look: if this offseason is to reup Ingles, Isaac, and M-Wagner, resign Bitadze, draft an upperclassman in Carter, and then use the cap space to sign Monk, I would call that "Job well Done"

Suggs/Black/D-Carter
Monk/Anthony/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac
W-Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

This is the low-bar of the off-season. And even in this, the team is better. Personally I'd like to see Anthony (and another asset?) traded for a more classic back-up SG in htis roster. And a vet combo-forward would be nice.

I personally don't like the roster, but it is better than the 2023/24 roster.

Amen, finally someone seeing the light

If Jett is buried that far on the bench next year again I'd rather just trade him now while he has at least a small amount of value

He won't be, if we draft Carter you can bet that Cole is gone.

Jett will be playing 15 min per minimum next season

[I Rasharted]

i’d put WCJ and get one of their bigs.

Isaac and 3 1sts (one being Denver's) for Murray = sold. Someone call whoever the hell the Hawks' GM is.

The report was they wanted multiple picks and a young player at the deadline lol. Add a pick and Cole Anthony?


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I was saying I supported your Isaac and picks idea. Internet communication breakdown, all good.

[I Rasharted]

I think we’re going to have some real disappointed people after free agency.

If they do essentially nothing, then yes. Oh yes.

[tiderulz]

Why not both Monk and Simons as well? Did I miss some pages about that idea. One or both might get into 24 MPG with Suggs, AB, Jett, Cole out there still, but that's just maintaining a league-leading bench with Mo and JI. I like both guards if we somehow grab a Center upgrade too, someone with length and mimic'ing JI a little bit (We just saw one in Mobley). I'm still intrigued by Klay but I'm talking really good value contract here.

But we may have to keep an eye on the ball, keep some type of trading flexibility with good value contracts, 1/2 year contracts, and picks. We might be starting to get into position for a star signing or trade. I think PG-13 as pseudo-SG has years left. If Donovan was impressed enough by us too..

because Suggs is more combo guard than PG. if you got both Monk and Simons, you have 3 players that are not a PG. I could see adding 1 but not 2.

[tiderulz]

It sounded like Weltman wants to get the Wagner and Suggs extensions done this summer. Pretty smart of him.

I would take Monk over Simons just based on durability.

one thing we dont know, Simons has been playing more minutes. We don't know if playing more will impact Monk. Simons is also a better shooter and scorer.

[Skybox]

It sounded like Weltman wants to get the Wagner and Suggs extensions done this summer. Pretty smart of him.

I would take Monk over Simons just based on durability.

one thing we dont know, Simons has been playing more minutes. We don't know if playing more will impact Monk. Simons is also a better shooter and scorer.

I keep factoring that Simons has been proving it for much longer and Monk has been generally disappointing until his perfect role in SAC. I'd still be thrilled with Monk and his availability makes him enticing. I'd be very happy if we aggressively move to sign Monk but I'd be happier with Murray or Simons.

I think the idea that we will not guarantee Isaac and then re-sign him to less for longer is not a realistic possibility. I'd love it, but I don't see his agency even considering that. I understand the comfort of a new longer-term deal, but his value is high right now...Maybe some kind of heavy front-load to get the bulk of his next deal paid over the first two years, before the big 3 kick in in 2 years? I don't know how heavy you could front-load but giving him a 3 year deal starting with $20 and descending as much as possible would be attractive to both. If we let our UFA's walk, we'd still have enough to sign Monk or make a trade where we take back more salary than we send.

That's not as sexy a headline as signing two FA's or one huge overpay on Klay but it might be exec of the year craftiness if Isaac stays healthy and ORL stays out of the cap aprons.

[Black and Blue]

What I got from the Weltman exit interview (all my opinion):

-Paulo, Franz and Suggs aren’t going anywhere unless there is some crazy deal for a scorer who is as young and more talented than they are.
-Weltman keeps mentioning trades. I think this team looks to finally use their draft capital (and perhaps young players if needed) to get some players if they find a willing suitor.
-The team will undoubtedly look to upgrade shooting, but will look at who shot better in the latter half of the year to make an informed decision on who to jettison (bye bye Gary Harris).
-The team recognizes this cap space needs to be used now as this is a unique window before extensions. He made it sound like there is not much pressure but that sounded like table setting for fans so they don’t get too excited. I think they’ll try to take some big swings if the deals are out there.
-Jeff Weltman needs some sort of septum surgery because he was sniffing like a cocaine addict.

[bigdogdylan5]

I think we’re going to have some real disappointed people after free agency.

If they do essentially nothing, then yes. Oh yes.

I don’t think they do absolutely nothing they need to build up the salary slots between the cap and the first apron to keep trade flexibility when we no longer have cap flexibility. If they do a 1 +1 year deal for guard depth Russell or Jones. And maybe something else. Will people be angry if there is no George Trae Murray or Thompson? I think Thompson makes a lot of sense for the right price 2-3 years no more than 30 million per. George also makes a lot of sense at the right price 2-3 year max. Even if they fall off by the end of that contract could be salary filler for a trade. If the right thing doesn’t materialize I think they are totally content with Jett and Black enough to give them a shot. They might believe Jett can be a Kris Middleton level player.

People need to remember while Otis did a good job him overpaying players really put us in a bind. Lewis fell off and no real assets to try and retool.

[Bergmaniac]

Simmons, Windhorst, Russilo, and more have said Franz isn't a max player.

How many of these "experts" have actually watched Franz outside of the few times he plays against their favourite team?

[Knightro]

I don’t think they do absolutely nothing they need to build up the salary slots between the cap and the first apron to keep trade flexibility when we no longer have cap flexibility. If they do a 1 +1 year deal for guard depth Russell or Jones. And maybe something else. Will people be angry if there is no George Trae Murray or Thompson? I think Thompson makes a lot of sense for the right price 2-3 years no more than 30 million per. George also makes a lot of sense at the right price 2-3 year max. Even if they fall off by the end of that contract could be salary filler for a trade. If the right thing doesn’t materialize I think they are totally content with Jett and Black enough to give them a shot. They might believe Jett can be a Kris Middleton level player.

People need to remember while Otis did a good job him overpaying players really put us in a bind. Lewis fell off and no real assets to try and retool.

They can't do literally nothing because they have to spend $19M just to hit the salary floor and that's assuming they keep Ingles. If they dump Ingles, then they have to spend $30M just to hit the salary floor.

Now they could hit the floor by resigning Fultz, Gary and/or Goga, which would be a bummer.

[VFX]

It’s always a question of what should they do and what will they do.

What should they do? Move on from like 3-4 guys immediately. Okeke, Fultz, Gary. Absolutely decline Ingles. Trade Carter. Create room for AB and Jett to earn minutes. Find someone that can actually run an offense at point guard.

What will they do? Keep everyone except for Gary and overpay an aging washed up shooting guard to replace his minutes.

[bigdogdylan5]

I don’t think they do absolutely nothing they need to build up the salary slots between the cap and the first apron to keep trade flexibility when we no longer have cap flexibility. If they do a 1 +1 year deal for guard depth Russell or Jones. And maybe something else. Will people be angry if there is no George Trae Murray or Thompson? I think Thompson makes a lot of sense for the right price 2-3 years no more than 30 million per. George also makes a lot of sense at the right price 2-3 year max. Even if they fall off by the end of that contract could be salary filler for a trade. If the right thing doesn’t materialize I think they are totally content with Jett and Black enough to give them a shot. They might believe Jett can be a Kris Middleton level player.

People need to remember while Otis did a good job him overpaying players really put us in a bind. Lewis fell off and no real assets to try and retool.

They can't do literally nothing because they have to spend $19M just to hit the salary floor and that's assuming they keep Ingles. If they dump Ingles, then they have to spend $30M just to hit the salary floor.

Now they could hit the floor by resigning Fultz, Gary and/or Goga, which would be a bummer.

I think it’s safe assumption when someone says do nothing it means pretty much resign what we have get to the salary floor.

[bigdogdylan5]

Simmons, Windhorst, Russilo, and more have said Franz isn't a max player.

Ok so what’s the number is it 35-40 when the full max is 43-45? I don’t think he gets a dollar under 35. There are enough bad teams that need a forward that would give him full max next year.

[Knightro]

Simmons, Windhorst, Russilo, and more have said Franz isn't a max player.

Ok so what’s the number is it 35-40 when the full max is 43-45? I don’t think he gets a dollar under 35. There are enough bad teams that need a forward that would give him full max next year.

Franz's max is 25% of the 2025-2026 cap. That is projected to be right around 155M.

So a full max for Franz would start at 38.75M.

Assuming it's a 5-year deal with standard 8% raises...

25-26 (age 24 season): 38.75M on a 155.1M cap - 25% of cap
26-27 (age 25 season): 41.85M on 170.6M cap - 24.5% of cap
27-28 (age 26 season): 45.19M on 187.6M cap - 24.0% of cap
28-29 (age 27 season): 48.80M on 206.3M cap - 23.6% of cap
29-30 (age 28 season): 52.70M on 226.9M cap - 23.2% of cap

Total: 5 years, 227.29M - 45.45 AAV

His contract wouldn't be a flat 25% of the salary cap all five years because the cap is projected to increase by more on a year-to-year basis than Franz's contract would increase (10% v. 8%).

[Optimus_Steel]

Monk is really a no brainer.