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DayofMourning wrote:If Philly was open to do 3 firsts for JB, Id be down. Thats a good return for 35 year old JB.
Tbh, he and Embiid will likely miss 100 games combined a year. Picks should be in the teens.
VaDe255 wrote:I don't think they are extending Jimmy.
Extending him for another year screws up the cap in 26/27 season. 2 max contracts and then also extensions of Niko, JJJ will be due. There is just no way you want a 37 year old Jimmy on a max that year.
Jimmy is human, requesting an extension and getting denied will affect him and if things do not work out this can get ugly.
The best course of action for the franchise and for Jimmy is to simply trade him (get him to a place where he has a real shot at winning a ring) and get smth. in return.
No matter what chairs you reshuffle on this Jimmy/Bam Titanic, it will sink.
IceColdCubano wrote:AirP. wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:
Um nobody afraid of a 37 year old Jimmy, if he leaves in 2 years hed be a shell of himself, id be like getting upset at Kyle Lowry in Philly right now.Spoiler:Spoiler:
Proven by age in the history of the NBA, the moment a player hits 34 with the exemption of some that are outliers like Lebron, Steph, players production plummets significantly as its not smooth ascension downward. For someone who struggles to stay healthy on the court like Jimmy this becomes even far more difficult as he ages, this year proved what it begins to look like, as much as Butler would like to be the guy who wills teams to victory this will begin to be less and less probable, percentages our down substantially, visually you can see he doesn't have his lift, Jimmy has never been blocked more in any one year than this year, and his ability to score in the paint whether from FG% or Efficiency saw drop to comparable to middle of the league average as if he was a role player. It's evident why he is shooting more and more three's far more than ever as he knows his body is failing him and is trying to find a way to stay productive. We saw it in most of the playoff race clinching games against competition, he was our 3-4th most productive player making the most money out any one on the team. Additionally looking at our major loses or key games the player who was responsible for the majority of them in his non-production was Jimmy Butler himself scoring 12-14 points going scoreless in an entire half, not being engaged in either defense or offense. His Basketball IQ & Strength can only get him so far when the difference in speed and vertical leap on the younger players just overlap you greatly.
Beenie wrote:DayofMourning wrote:If Philly was open to do 3 firsts for JB, Id be down. Thats a good return for 35 year old JB.
Tbh, he and Embiid will likely miss 100 games combined a year. Picks should be in the teens.
You’d be down for less than that so it seems
Watching these Titos run around like headless chickens without the benefit of an alpha sounds like horrible television to me lol
Beenie wrote:VaDe255 wrote:I don't think they are extending Jimmy.
Extending him for another year screws up the cap in 26/27 season. 2 max contracts and then also extensions of Niko, JJJ will be due. There is just no way you want a 37 year old Jimmy on a max that year.
Jimmy is human, requesting an extension and getting denied will affect him and if things do not work out this can get ugly.
The best course of action for the franchise and for Jimmy is to simply trade him (get him to a place where he has a real shot at winning a ring) and get smth. in return.
No matter what chairs you reshuffle on this Jimmy/Bam Titanic, it will sink.
Likeliest scenario begins with Mia first waiting to see who might become available on the trade market to pair next to Jimmy n Bam.
Hypothetically, if an impactful player does become available and Mia emerges as a viable destination, and a trade comes to fruition, that’s gonna incentivize the team to grant Jimmy his contract extension.
unowen85 wrote:Quite frankly, the decision on whether to give Butler the two year extension is simple. Does the front office think they can, by trading Jimmy, assemble a better team that has a higher chance to compete for a championship during the next three seasons using the assets we get for Butler, draft picks we currently have, and internal development from current players?
And to be honest, I don’t think they can. I don’t think Riley is ready to give up on the Butler era.
AirP. wrote:Beenie wrote:VaDe255 wrote:I don't think they are extending Jimmy.
Extending him for another year screws up the cap in 26/27 season. 2 max contracts and then also extensions of Niko, JJJ will be due. There is just no way you want a 37 year old Jimmy on a max that year.
Jimmy is human, requesting an extension and getting denied will affect him and if things do not work out this can get ugly.
The best course of action for the franchise and for Jimmy is to simply trade him (get him to a place where he has a real shot at winning a ring) and get smth. in return.
No matter what chairs you reshuffle on this Jimmy/Bam Titanic, it will sink.
Likeliest scenario begins with Mia first waiting to see who might become available on the trade market to pair next to Jimmy n Bam.
Hypothetically, if an impactful player does become available and Mia emerges as a viable destination, and a trade comes to fruition, that’s gonna incentivize the team to grant Jimmy his contract extension.
Another reason Morey could be the one floating out Miami possibly looking to trade Butler, to get P.George to not look to push his way to Miami since it might just be Bam there.
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SoFlaKingReal wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Rinse and repeat. Mitchell isn’t a free agent. He will go wherever Cleveland sends him, they may just keep him. At the end of the day, Mitchell would probably re-sign with 10 teams or so.
DayofMourning wrote:Rapaz as the Cleveland GM should be something to monitor.
DayofMourning wrote:Beenie wrote:DayofMourning wrote:If Philly was open to do 3 firsts for JB, Id be down. Thats a good return for 35 year old JB.
Tbh, he and Embiid will likely miss 100 games combined a year. Picks should be in the teens.
You’d be down for less than that so it seems
Watching these Titos run around like headless chickens without the benefit of an alpha sounds like horrible television to me lol
Im of the mind that 35 year old oft injured Butler isnt the superstar we need.
I feel like being available is pretty important. He plays half the time. Hard to look at that with a straight face and expect results.
powerball1373 wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Beenie wrote:
You’d be down for less than that so it seems
Watching these Titos run around like headless chickens without the benefit of an alpha sounds like horrible television to me lol
Im of the mind that 35 year old oft injured Butler isnt the superstar we need.
I feel like being available is pretty important. He plays half the time. Hard to look at that with a straight face and expect results.
Agreed. I don't think you can win a championship with prime Jimmy Butler as your #1 player, unless the other team has a freak injury or something, so how TF can we expect that with an old and injury-prone JB? Unless we're able to land someone clearly better than him (Durant?) to where he'd be the #2, I'd rather just move on completely. Someone like DBish not gonna move the needle at all.