Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[MorbidHEAT]

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I’ve seen this movie too many times before. I’ll wait until the press conference.

[MorbidHEAT]

If Philly was open to do 3 firsts for JB, Id be down. Thats a good return for 35 year old JB.

Tbh, he and Embiid will likely miss 100 games combined a year. Picks should be in the teens.

There would have to be a replacement coming in that trade or in a subsequent trade that’s already been discussed. This franchise does not value draft picks.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I’ve seen this movie too many times before. I’ll wait until the press conference.

In Patrick James Riley we trust

[Bishop45]

Y’all turned Riles into ‘the boy who cried whale’. Nasty work

[eddieheatfan]

Y’all turned Riles into ‘the boy who cried whale’. Nasty work

[unowen85]

Quite frankly, the decision on whether to give Butler the two year extension is simple. Does the front office think they can, by trading Jimmy, assemble a better team that has a higher chance to compete for a championship during the next three seasons using the assets we get for Butler, draft picks we currently have, and internal development from current players?

And to be honest, I don’t think they can. I don’t think Riley is ready to give up on the Butler era.

There's no possibility of an in-between scenario with 2 years left on his current contract?

I think if we don't give him the extension, he's probably going to ask out. So you either commit to him for three years or you don't.

If you commit to him, you build around Jimmy/Bam/JJJ plus whatever you can get from rest of the assets (Herro, Rozier, Jovic, draft picks, etc).

If you don't commit to him, you have Bam/JJJ, plus what you get for Jimmy, and rest of assets above. And I'm not sure we are gonna get anything special for Jimmy if we try and trade him. Maybe a couple firsts and a solid role player. And then you hope you can convert these new assets into a true number one.

Just seems to me the easier option is commit to Jimmy/Bam/JJJ and build what you can for the next few seasons.

I'm gonna watch regardless, so whatever happens, happens.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Watching Donte Divincenzo play and wondering why in the hell we just don’t use Tyler Herro in that role. We here trying to make Tyler play like Brunson.

[SerialChiller]

Watching Donte Divincenzo play and wondering why in the hell we just don’t use Tyler Herro in that role. We here trying to make Tyler play like Brunson.

Probably because unfortunately we were dumb enough to pay him like Brunson too.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Watching Donte Divincenzo play and wondering why in the hell we just don’t use Tyler Herro in that role. We here trying to make Tyler play like Brunson.

He doesn’t want to play like that and he’s not near the defender

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[VaDe255]

I don't think they are extending Jimmy.

Extending him for another year screws up the cap in 26/27 season. 2 max contracts and then also extensions of Niko, JJJ will be due. There is just no way you want a 37 year old Jimmy on a max that year.

Jimmy is human, requesting an extension and getting denied will affect him and if things do not work out this can get ugly.

The best course of action for the franchise and for Jimmy is to simply trade him (get him to a place where he has a real shot at winning a ring) and get smth. in return.
No matter what chairs you reshuffle on this Jimmy/Bam Titanic, it will sink.

Likeliest scenario begins with Mia first waiting to see who might become available on the trade market to pair next to Jimmy n Bam.

Hypothetically, if an impactful player does become available and Mia emerges as a viable destination, and a trade comes to fruition, that’s gonna incentivize the team to grant Jimmy his contract extension.

For me it's only DM, who could move the needle enough (young enough to warrent trading major assets for him).
Over there at Cleveland they have to agree to move on and Miami has to be high on his list.
But if it is a situation where they are getting outbid, just trade Jimmy for more assets and make the swap.

Certainly not impossible that it could end up Jimmy/Bam/DM and then you absolutely extend him to have peace and focus on the main thing, but I don't think the chances of this are high.

[powerball1373]

Im of the mind that 35 year old oft injured Butler isnt the superstar we need.

I feel like being available is pretty important. He plays half the time. Hard to look at that with a straight face and expect results.

Agreed. I don't think you can win a championship with prime Jimmy Butler as your #1 player, unless the other team has a freak injury or something, so how TF can we expect that with an old and injury-prone JB? Unless we're able to land someone clearly better than him (Durant?) to where he'd be the #2, I'd rather just move on completely. Someone like DBish not gonna move the needle at all.

How does Mitchell not move the needle though? Practically every team he’s been on has finished with HCA in at least the first playoff round, better positioning alone moves the needle for us. Hes a high level playoff performer as well averaging 28-5-5 for his career. Hes the exact kind of offensive talent we’ve missed next to Jimmy and Bam in these deep playoff runs

Yeah I mean he moves the needle as far as making us better, but I don't think he moves the needle as far as making us legitimate title contenders. Still wouldn't be better than Boston and maybe not even the Knicks/Bucks after whatever offseason moves they make. Not even close to the big young teams in the West. I'd guess that trading for Mitchell would result in an ECF ceiling, unless Boston got a fluke injury. And then we'd likely need a fluke injury from the West team as well.

I'd rather just blow it up and hope to eventually luck into our next young superstar. Bam is great but he's no superstar and never will be.

I could def be talked into adding Durant and/or LeBron to Jimmy and Bam tho. One last ride for the old mfkrs, like The Expendables.

[RexBoyWonder]

Simple offseason goals IMO. Target should be very clear :

Go get Mitchell. It's a short term move that is also a good long term move.

Use anything not names Jimmy and Bam. Try really to keep Jovic. Everyone else is replaceable. That's it.

It's a move that both rebuilds (Mitchell + Bam + Jovic is a real core that's young and balanced) and both retools (we keep our main guys and provide them the exact help they need).


We need to make it happen. It's THE move. Simple as that.

[Beenie]

I don't think they are extending Jimmy.

Extending him for another year screws up the cap in 26/27 season. 2 max contracts and then also extensions of Niko, JJJ will be due. There is just no way you want a 37 year old Jimmy on a max that year.

Jimmy is human, requesting an extension and getting denied will affect him and if things do not work out this can get ugly.

The best course of action for the franchise and for Jimmy is to simply trade him (get him to a place where he has a real shot at winning a ring) and get smth. in return.
No matter what chairs you reshuffle on this Jimmy/Bam Titanic, it will sink.

Likeliest scenario begins with Mia first waiting to see who might become available on the trade market to pair next to Jimmy n Bam.

Hypothetically, if an impactful player does become available and Mia emerges as a viable destination, and a trade comes to fruition, that’s gonna incentivize the team to grant Jimmy his contract extension.

For me it's only DM, who could move the needle enough (young enough to warrent trading major assets for him).
Over there at Cleveland they have to agree to move on and Miami has to be high on his list.
But if it is a situation where they are getting outbid, just trade Jimmy for more assets and make the swap.

Certainly not impossible that it could end up Jimmy/Bam/DM and then you absolutely extend him to have peace and focus on the main thing, but I don't think the chances of this are high.

I suspect there’s many others besides DM that Mia would view as needle movers if they became viable trade targets.

And youth wouldn’t necessarily be an uncompromising metric

[VaDe255]

Likeliest scenario begins with Mia first waiting to see who might become available on the trade market to pair next to Jimmy n Bam.

Hypothetically, if an impactful player does become available and Mia emerges as a viable destination, and a trade comes to fruition, that’s gonna incentivize the team to grant Jimmy his contract extension.

For me it's only DM, who could move the needle enough (young enough to warrent trading major assets for him).
Over there at Cleveland they have to agree to move on and Miami has to be high on his list.
But if it is a situation where they are getting outbid, just trade Jimmy for more assets and make the swap.

Certainly not impossible that it could end up Jimmy/Bam/DM and then you absolutely extend him to have peace and focus on the main thing, but I don't think the chances of this are high.

I suspect there’s many others besides DM that Mia would view as needle movers if they became viable trade targets.

And youth wouldn’t necessarily be an uncompromising metric

Pat basically said, there are a couple of them and they'd try to "shoot for the moon" and get them if they became available.
- DM is the obvious one.
- PG is the next likely, maybe there is some S&T scenario in which they could get him.
- I don't expect Durant or Booker to be moved, so these guys are just sitting where they are.
- Trae Young also unlikely because too expensive (as he is under contract for a long time and has no leverage, could be traded anywhere), also as far as I know they never expressed much interest in him. Although he would be a good fit next to Bam/Jimmy, it's probably more about his attitude.

Sure, you never know, but I don't see much that makes sense this summer, swapping out some role players and giving Jimmy the extension just the least appealing path that they could take, at least to me.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Agreed. I don't think you can win a championship with prime Jimmy Butler as your #1 player, unless the other team has a freak injury or something, so how TF can we expect that with an old and injury-prone JB? Unless we're able to land someone clearly better than him (Durant?) to where he'd be the #2, I'd rather just move on completely. Someone like DBish not gonna move the needle at all.

How does Mitchell not move the needle though? Practically every team he’s been on has finished with HCA in at least the first playoff round, better positioning alone moves the needle for us. Hes a high level playoff performer as well averaging 28-5-5 for his career. Hes the exact kind of offensive talent we’ve missed next to Jimmy and Bam in these deep playoff runs

Yeah I mean he moves the needle as far as making us better, but I don't think he moves the needle as far as making us legitimate title contenders. Still wouldn't be better than Boston and maybe not even the Knicks/Bucks after whatever offseason moves they make. Not even close to the big young teams in the West. I'd guess that trading for Mitchell would result in an ECF ceiling, unless Boston got a fluke injury. And then we'd likely need a fluke injury from the West team as well.

I'd rather just blow it up and hope to eventually luck into our next young superstar. Bam is great but he's no superstar and never will be.

I could def be talked into adding Durant and/or LeBron to Jimmy and Bam tho. One last ride for the old mfkrs, like The Expendables.

I’m just faded when it comes to Boston I guess, when healthy we’ve came out on top more times than not against them. Even in the playoffs this season without Jimmy Rozier Duncan etc. they were struggling to score, we just couldn’t score enough ourselves in large part to $100M sitting on the bench. I just don’t view them as some unbeatable target, especially adding Mitchell next to Jimmy Bam and Spo who has basically been able to do what he wants against the Celtics for his career averaging 30-4-6, 35-6-5 since going to Cleveland.

Yea definitely need another move or just the right veteran signings to beat the WC teams but even then all we lacked against the nuggets was an elite 3 level scorer or maybe a healthy Jimmy

I’m down for Durant or LeBron too lol

[Beenie]

For me it's only DM, who could move the needle enough (young enough to warrent trading major assets for him).
Over there at Cleveland they have to agree to move on and Miami has to be high on his list.
But if it is a situation where they are getting outbid, just trade Jimmy for more assets and make the swap.

Certainly not impossible that it could end up Jimmy/Bam/DM and then you absolutely extend him to have peace and focus on the main thing, but I don't think the chances of this are high.

I suspect there’s many others besides DM that Mia would view as needle movers if they became viable trade targets.

And youth wouldn’t necessarily be an uncompromising metric

Pat basically said, there are a couple of them and they'd try to "shoot for the moon" and get them if they became available.
- DM is the obvious one.
- PG is the next likely, maybe there is some S&T scenario in which they could get him.
- I don't expect Durant or Booker to be moved, so these guys are just sitting where they are.
- Trae Young also unlikely because too expensive (as he is under contract for a long time and has no leverage, could be traded anywhere), also as far as I know they never expressed much interest in him. Although he would be a good fit next to Bam/Jimmy, it's probably more about his attitude.

Sure, you never know, but I don't see much that makes sense this summer, swapping out some role players and giving Jimmy the extension just the least appealing path that they could take, at least to me.

Phoenix is will be heavily surveilled by the league. I don’t think they will blow it up just yet but I also wouldn’t be shocked if they did and I suspect that “what if” conversations are currently being had between agents and GMs if things do implode there.

Lebron is probably the most viable get imo. His team is in a no hope situation so it seems, and he has no time left to spare if he wants to pursue chip #5. Suspect Mia would be on his short list if he indeed decides to change addresses again and Pat once said that he’d leave key underneath the floor mat for Lebron.

Maybe not the best fit or sexiest name, but I could also envision a scenario of Derozen replacing Herro. He’d certainly help the half court scoring woes of the team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MartianTimeSlip]

No thanks. I want Mitchell.

[Lennyzinho]

I don't understand why people want or even bring up Trae Young. You think herro who's 6'5" 200lbs is bad on defense and gets bullied and is streaky and overpaid?
Wait until you get a 6ft 165lb Trae Young making the max. Imagine that guy playing vs OKC or MIN or BOS... what a disaster. I just don't get it. I want no part of small offense only defensive liability guards making max and thinking they'd somehow get us over the hump.

Rozier makes 25M and he's a good 6th man and regular season dude and can score in bunches and tries much harder on defense than trae does. That's about as much exposure to that as a roster can handle.

Forget trae. The nba is moving on from dudes like that. Look how exposed Garland has been this year. Kyrie gave Harden problems all series. Look how exposed Herro was vs Boston. SGA is small but the dude leads the league in steals. Jrue constant all defense team type guy. Dumping herro and assets to get trae is ridiculous to me.

Sorry for rant but I'm very anti Trae xoxo