Onus wrote:vvoland wrote:Onus wrote:based on the foundational trade offers for him from 2 separate teams. We may not know the full details of the trade but we know who we were trying to get OG and Caruso. Those teams asked for JK and we declined. Those teams asked which means they felt like they could build a trade around JK for either.
This is where you went wrong. No idea what was discussed and if they asked for JK, doesn't mean they or the league values JK at that level. Unlike, for example, wiggins who we were clearly shopping at the deadline and the prevailing sentiment was "he's a negative or, at best, neutral contract" and the warriors aren't getting anything useful for him. But even that inference hinges on the assumption that the people reporting that at least talked to the dubs FO and weren't making stuff up (not guaranteed).
What we do 'know,' in theory, is that the warriors turned down caruso and og trades centered around JK. We don't know if there were picks involved, the matching money going out, any of that. The only thing we can infer is that the dubs value(d) JK more than either of those players but even that hinges on the assumptions there wasn't anything else of value in those trades and/or we weren't getting anything of value back other than OG or Caruso.
The Siakam trade was a bigger possibility but, if I recall correctly, that fell through once we established that he didn't want to resign here and/or we didn't' want to give him all the money he wanted. In both cases, I'm very curious to see what the pacers and knicks offer pascal and OG.
So you agree the foundation of the discussion was based on og/caruso for jk.
Also you believe the Wiggins rumors but not the jk rumors. Talk about bias. Thank god we didn’t go with pascal.
That dude is a fraud.
I believe they were shopping wiggins because pretty much everyone, local and national, reported that. I have never heard anyone say they're shopping JK or that JK is available. So if they call Chi, ask for Caruso and the Bulls say, 'sure, for JK.' That doesn't mean, necessarily, that the league values JK at the Caruso level. It means Chicago asked. Maybe Chi is delusional about what Caruso can bring back. Maybe I'm underrating Caruso's value around the league. Maybe I'm overrating JK's value. We just don't know. If they were shopping JK around the deadline and couldn't get JK, Pascal, or Caruso, THEN we could say 3 teams value JK around that level (GSW, Tor, and Chi) and since that would be GSW's eval, I'd expect them to shop JK around the league to gauge the value (like they probably did w/ Wiggins).
Not sure I agree on Siakam. I don't think he's as good as his next contract will imply. He can struggle with his shot and it's probably more mental than anything else. He's a above average on both ends of the court and, in one package, that makes him a very above average player - like a fringe all star. Like the best of andrew wiggins. With a banged up Hali, he's miscast as the no1 option but as a 2/3rd option, he's really, really good. I'm mostly glad we stayed away because I think JK can give us 75% of Siakam at 25% of the cost. Def don't want to max Pascal out after trading assets to get him.