Shams: Nikola Jokic Named 2023-24 NBA MVP

RB34 · Post #121 » by **RB34** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:33 am

SpurNani wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
SpurNani wrote:
Luka has beaten a team that won 60+ games in the playoffs

Jokic has never beaten a team with more then 50 wins

He hasn’t done **** either but get a favorable draw last year

You can use statistical backflips like this to justify just about anything. This is downright silly.

And that’s without even mentioning that you’re using playoff stuff to argue a regular season award.

Of course using playoff success to argue Luka over Jokic is silly too.

So you’re kind of pulling a hat trick here.

The other guy brought up the playoffs first, I simply responded.

Yes, its a regular season award and the Nuggets were very underwhelming compared to the hype they received about becoming a potential dynasty off their soft touch finals win last year. They mostly sleepwalked through the season which is kind of reflective of Jokics overall attitude towards basketball.

I felt SGA and Luka seasons were more impressive when you consider everything. They exceeded expectations set out for them this year.

The original post I quoted said he was about to be swept. You brought up the playoffs first. Probably didn’t think it through.

AleksandarN · Post #122 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:33 am

eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Congratulations, but the definition of an asterisk MVP.

Shai or Luka should have gotten it, and if Embiid was healthy it would have been unanimous.

This was more of a most healthy award than anything else.

Wow so original. What I'm saying actually would have been true lol.

True? How? Lol

bledredwine · Post #123 » by **bledredwine** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:34 am

Guys, the MVP is a regular season award and his team absolutely sucked compared to how well they performed in the standings.

Optimus_Steel · Post #124 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:34 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:Durant got a vote lol

It was his burner account

AleksandarN · Post #125 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:34 am

Are we going to have another Eyeatoma meltdown again lmao

damanick10 · Post #126 » by **damanick10** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:34 am

eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Congratulations, but the definition of an asterisk MVP.

Shai or Luka should have gotten it, and if Embiid was healthy it would have been unanimous.

This was more of a most healthy award than anything else.

Wow so original. What I'm saying actually would have been true lol.

Embiid will never be healthy or not choke in the playoffs so the hypotheticals dont really carry any weight here

cpower · Post #127 » by **cpower** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:34 am

Joker will continue to dominate the PER stat and that will give him 8 MVPs in the end

Post #128 » by **tsherkin** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:38 am

Joerezz7 wrote:Ant Edwards, SGA, Jayson Tatum Jalen Brunson and Luka all deserve the MVP over him. One of the biggest robberies in history to the players mentioned.

Just wanted to circle back to how awful this take was.

Dubnation · Post #129 » by **Dubnation** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:39 am

TheGOATRises007 wrote:
Joerezz7 wrote:Ant Edwards, SGA, Jayson Tatum Jalen Brunson and Luka all deserve the MVP over him. One of the biggest robberies in history to the players mentioned.

Might be the worst take I've ever seen on here

Embarrassing

You knew here? There are plenty worse takes exceeding the absurd.

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eyeatoma · Post #130 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:40 am

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
hyper316 wrote:Shoulda have been 4 in a row until media play the race card last year

More like 3 in a row for Embiid if he were healthy.

We went through this how many times in the last 4 years. No stats back up Embiid other than ppg. Not in games won on court or playoff games. Nothing. Keep it up. I love those salty tears

Except for straw poll results which all had EMbiid in the lead, or very close prior to each one of his injuries. At the very least it would be far closer and you know it.

lessthanjake · Post #131 » by **lessthanjake** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:40 am

eyeatoma wrote:Congratulations, but the definition of an asterisk MVP.

Shai or Luka should have gotten it, and if Embiid was healthy it would have been his unanimously.

This was more of a most healthy award than anything else.

But Embiid wasn’t healthy. And this isn’t some one-off thing—he’s rarely healthy throughout the regular season (not to mention virtually never healthy in the playoffs). The annals of sports are filled with guys who were great but couldn’t stay healthy, and those guys rightfully don’t win awards or go down as the greatest players, because those accolades are not about hypotheticals.

Optimus_Steel · Post #132 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:40 am

Bergmaniac wrote:
Eagle4 wrote:Shaq is definitely very petty and narcissistic but in this case I can see the salt.

Arguably the most dominant ever and only one regular season MVP to his name. All his ATG center peers got 2+ but him lol.

Shaq has only himself to blame for this, he would have had more MVPs if he wasn't so lazy during the regular season in his peak years.

This is true.

eyeatoma · Post #133 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:41 am

lessthanjake wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Congratulations, but the definition of an asterisk MVP.

Shai or Luka should have gotten it, and if Embiid was healthy it would have been his unanimously.

This was more of a most healthy award than anything else.

But Embiid wasn’t healthy. And this isn’t some one-off thing—he’s rarely healthy throughout the regular season (not to mention virtually never healthy in the playoffs). The annals of sports are filled with guys who were great but couldn’t stay healthy, and those guys rightfully don’t win awards or go down as the greatest players.

Would be interesting to put together a top 10 in history of what could have been in history. Not college players like Sam Bowie, or Greg Oden. Players, who flashed a lot of impressive things prior to their demise.

eyeatoma · Post #134 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:41 am

cpower wrote:Joker will continue to dominate the PER stat and that will give him 8 MVPs in the end

And it won't be right.

Tempe · Post #135 » by **Tempe** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:42 am

damanick10 wrote:
Tempe wrote:Perfect timing as he’s being exposed in the playoffs. Worst 3x MVP in nba history. Future fans will look back and laugh.

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You aren't really exposed when you lead your team to the championship a year before

Last year was the weakest finals win since 99 spurs. Cakewalk to finals only decent team they played was Suns who had just gutted their roster to get KD. Played 8 seed Miami in finals. History will view this title as low value and he won’t win another.

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wade44 · Post #136 » by **wade44** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:42 am

Well earned. That said, he’s officially on the chopping block for next season. They won’t give him the same leniency after this playoffs feels like

AleksandarN · Post #137 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:43 am

eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

More like 3 in a row for Embiid if he were healthy.

We went through this how many times in the last 4 years. No stats back up Embiid other than ppg. Not in games won on court or playoff games. Nothing. Keep it up. I love those salty tears

Except for straw poll results which all had EMbiid in the lead, or very close prior to each one of his injuries. At the very least it would be far closer and you know it.

Again stats back it up jokic better than Embiid other ppg. Your tears taste so good. Keep them coming.

HotRocks34 · Post #138 » by **HotRocks34** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:44 am

Never a doubt. Led in all key metrics despite having the lowest usage of the contenders.

eyeatoma · Post #139 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:44 am

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:We went through this how many times in the last 4 years. No stats back up Embiid other than ppg. Not in games won on court or playoff games. Nothing. Keep it up. I love those salty tears

Except for straw poll results which all had EMbiid in the lead, or very close prior to each one of his injuries. At the very least it would be far closer and you know it.

Again stats back it up jokic better than Embiid other ppg. Your tears taste so good. Keep them coming.

Congratulations to Jokic, he'll go down as a top 10 player when it's all said and done.

But he won't be the goat, and this series is clear proof of it.

Tempe · Post #140 » by **Tempe** » Thu May 9, 2024 12:44 am

Big win for spreadsheet ball nerds and the Eastern European contingent on this forum. Congrats yall.

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