Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
54 vs 56 average TS, so not a massive difference.
The Raptors also had zero bench and had 48 wins.
Agreed that there are obviously factors that come into play and Bosh gets the edge. But 'quite a bit better'? Nah. That's recency bias of always skewing negative.
Lmao you think Bosh putting up 5% over league TS is the same as Siakam putting up league average TS? My god man, why use stats if you don't understand their impact.
Bosh had a VASTLY inferior roster his entire time here than Siakam.
Bosh put up 24ppg when the league average was 100ppg.
Siakam put up 23ppg when the league average was 110ppg.
This is some revisionist history if I've ever seen some. Bosh was selected 4th OA and was
chosen to play with LBJ/Wade, while Siakam was selected 27th and wasn't even the real #2 on the chip team. There's a reason why players are selected where they are 99% of the time
Like my guy, go LOOK at those teams. The best player he had was 73 games of VC in his rookie year, and then nothing until DD as a rookie in his last year. There is a reason why people call those the dark ages for this team. Siakam has played with all stars and all defence level players, and in an inflated time of scoring,
still couldn't put up similar numbers, on more shot attempts.
I didn't say the TS was the same.
And siakam averaged twice as many assists. Outside of the edge on TS, and Siakam averaging double the assists, their impact was nearly the same.
Siakam had better starters and zero bench or shooting surrounding him.
Both played 3rd fiddle on title teams
There are argument for both players and I already said Bosh got the slight edge. Both to say Bosh is "quite a bit better" than Siakam really isn't backed up by that much other than our fanbases recency bias to hate anything to do with that last era of Raptors basketball.
Also you just said in the Ochai thread that despite Ochai being the 14th pick, he's a lost cause. So I suppose he's the 1%? It's almost like you forget people read your comments on more than one thread.
You literally said "not a massive difference". 5% above league average, vs league average, is a MASSIVE difference. Again, don't quote stats if you don't understand their impact.
It's not an "edge", it is a massive gulf. Unlike the assists which is barely an edge, a higher APG and PPG league wide results in inflated stats.
Saying Siakam ha better starters and no bench, is a funny way of saying he flat out had a better team, you know, without being able to admit it. Every single starter on that team, would have been the second best player on Bosh's team. Siakam had the superior player at every position (aside from his ironically) and only managed 8 more wins.
Bosh played 3rd fiddle.....to Lebron **** James, and arguably the second greatest SG in NBA history. This is the most dishonest argument I've seen you make yet, bravo.
Also congrats on reading other comments, almost like it's your responsibility or something. But hey, bring up things that are completely and utterly unrelated to the topic at hand because you are incapable of admitting you were wrong when you have an entire thread of people telling you how wrong you were. More deflections here than OG.