Primedeion wrote:He's easily top ten TBH.
Top 15 peak OAT/best player in the world st his best.
Insane longevity.
Best postseason/player on the best postseason team of all-time/clear 1a/1b on a top five team in history.
Far and away the best player on a top ten all-time team (09 Lakers)
GOAT level offensive impact at his offensive peak
Legit All-Defensive level guard for a fair amount of seasons and one of the best perimeter defenders in the league at his defensive peak (01)
The most clutch player of the 2000's or at least in the argument
Elite impact
Far and away the best player on teams that made three straight Finals appearances won back-to-back titles
Five titles and seven Finals appearances while playing better playoff comp than any player in modern history
More All-NBA selections than all but one player in history
More All-NBA 1st team selections than all but player one player in history
Top ten offensive player OAT by peak and career
Etc, etc
Insane player.
Some of these metrics are poor measures of impact imo, and/or dubious. The 2009 Lakers certainly weren't an all-time team for eg. I can't see any case for top 10. I'm not even sure he's the 10th best player since he was drafted.