RookieStar wrote:pepe1991 wrote:I don't think it's about "development" it's just about facing with new evidence and comming to conclusion that Black isn't PG, like 99,99% of "big PGs" aren't.
If you look around a league and go in past, big PGs simply don't work for one reason or another.
You can go to Ben Simmons (1# pick, Lebron comparisons) and his inability to score off pick&roll in any meaningful way but cuts made him predictable and pushed him out of PG position.
Josh Giddey , pretty much same problem, he is also bad on defense so he makes things even worst.
Livingston- guy was actually one of worst nba busts. Injury turned him into sympathetic figure and his Warriors years give second perspective on his career, but flushing 4th pick and passing on 3 allstars simply makes him one of worst busts.
Lonzo Ball - inability to play pick&roll and having no mid range game at one point moved him from PG position all together, going to Bulls he still couldn't run traditional pick&roll, and once again, like Livingston, now people remember him in nostalgic ways due his injuries. 6 players drafted after him turned into allstars. SIX. Including way more traditional PG - Fox.
MCW- worst ROY winner ever?
So who in modern era actually worked as tall PG ? Lebron, Harden and Luka. That's pretty much whole list. Top 2 player of all time and some of most talented players in past 30 years.
And it's not like NBA teams didn't try to find new , tall PGs, they just simply never worked. There is list of attemps i can remember:
Evan Turner (top 3 pick)
Tony Wroten
Bonga
Killian Hayes (top 5 pick)
Ty Jerome
Delon Wright
Thing is, PG position is most competitive position out there, guys who get to nba are near perfect in terms of skills, there is no single position in basketball with more talent but PG. You look at Jamal Murray, that guy is so damn skilled, and yet he isn't even top 5 player at his position, despite fact he ,on some nights is actually most skilled ( offensisve) player on court.
Theres actually 2 more on your list. Lamelo and Cade. If injuru bugs didnt hit them... who knows.
Lamelo yes, but Cade is yet to prove anything, Pistons have 54-192 record since winning lottery, that's path toward lowest win percentage for some team ever over span od 4 years.
Lamelo's defense is insult to pro basketball at times, so i don't know how his skillset will translate into winning basketball.