RRR3 wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:RRR3 wrote:I've seen Gobert stans unironically citing his plus minus as if single-game +/- isn't wildly unpredictable
It is. But it's also pretty funny when a guy's team out scores the other by 9 points when they play. And they get out scored by 16 with them off the court. That the argument is...well that players is the reason they lost.
Also this isn't a single game thing.
Game 1 +12 on -5 off
Game 3 -10 on -17 off
Game 4 +9 on -17 off
The guys has his faults as does anyone else, but if there were something to he shouldn't be playing. I think we'd start to see something. Instead of have a decade long career of his teams being better with him on the court and fans/players alike continuing to try and find some fault with him.
His plus minus was correlated with Ant. He made very little impact when I watched.
They have been better with Gobert vs ANT all year. And the story is seemingly the same here.
Breaking down defensive impact in a game is difficult. You can play the best defense in the world and the team can still make a bucket. The bottom line is that it's hard for me to grasp how anyone could watch and not see that Gobert has been a huge plus in this series defensively.
Ultimately, the series has really been about turnovers and Denver's ball pressure moving up the court. It's been about denver being able to maintain gravity on their non shooters like Gordon so keep passing lanes up. It's about stopping or at least delaying guys like ANT on drives so Jokic isn't getting asked to rotate onto an ANT on the downhill.
I'd argue as much as this board has talked about ANT's scoring, Jokic's "bad" play, and Gobert....those 3 haven't really been the story at all. Though I do think Gobert was exceptionally important in game 1, I stand by a lot of that was just great ball pressure and making Denver act quickly.
The only other argument I could see is one where you feel the Wolves should try and turn this more into a shoot out and go small without Gobert. That's not what got them here...but it's always an idea against Denver with Jokic inside. I don't think they have the fire power to do that personally, but if that's where we're going with the anti Gobert stuff, I'm down to see if it works. It's at least possible.
But if you're telling me Gobert is blowing coverage or getting out maneuvered not seeing it. He's doing what he's supposed to do.