2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0

[ontnut]

Can anyone explain what trade rules are in place during draft related to expiring contracts. For ex. is Gordon Hayward's contract already expired and untradeable or it can be used to match incoming contracts?

As soon as the season is over, the expiring contracts expire and you cannot trade them since the player is technically not on your team anymore.

Gordon Hayward is currently a UFA. OKC does have his bird rights and have yet to renounce him, so he still has a cap hold on OKC.

[ontnut]

What does a max contract for IQ look like?

What has IQ done to deserve more than 25 ish mil a year?

Do you think the Raptors would let him walk away if he got that from another team? Or would they match?

IQ 4 year max starting at 35.25m with 5% raises, would be a 4 year $156m deal (39m AAV).
I can't see anyone doing that.

The Raptors would probably play chicken with them, saying that they'll wait til the last minute to match the offer in order to force that team to rescind the offer while other FAs go off the table, as that team would basically have no cap space to do anything else but wait on the Raptors. Then I guess the Raptors would ultimately match it and eventually look to trade him down the road, possibly to that very team lol. That other team would be risking ending up with nobody in FA and completely wasting their cap space. Which is why I don't see it happening.

$39m AAV would be ROUGH for IQ though, no doubt, esp with Barnes' upcoming max, and Barrett's contract.
I would not be surprised to see IQ get a 4 year $110m deal though ($27.5m AAV), and $30m per year is not off the table esp given the lack of FAs this year, and the desperation of some teams to use their cap space before their team gets expensive.

I could ALSO see IQ taking a shorter deal to stay in Toronto, boost his stock as the starting PG putting up numbers with the ball in his hands, and then hitting FA early once the new TV deal kicks in.

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[Ell Curry]

What has IQ done to deserve more than 25 ish mil a year?

Do you think the Raptors would let him walk away if he got that from another team? Or would they match?

IQ 4 year max starting at 35.25m with 5% raises, would be a 4 year $156m deal (39m AAV).
I can't see anyone doing that.

The Raptors would probably play chicken with them, saying that they'll wait til the last minute to match the offer in order to force that team to rescind the offer while other FAs go off the table, as that team would basically have no cap space to do anything else but wait on the Raptors. Then I guess the Raptors would ultimately match it and eventually look to trade him down the road, possibly to that very team lol. That other team would be risking ending up with nobody in FA and completely wasting their cap space. Which is why I don't see it happening.

$39m AAV would be ROUGH for IQ though, no doubt, esp with Barnes' upcoming max, and Barrett's contract.
I would not be surprised to see IQ get a 4 year $110m deal though ($27.5m AAV), and $30m per year is not off the table esp given the lack of FAs this year, and the desperation of some teams to use their cap space before their team gets expensive.

I could ALSO see IQ taking a shorter deal to stay in Toronto, boost his stock as the starting PG putting up numbers with the ball in his hands, and then hitting FA early once the new TV deal kicks in.

The Pistons are the one team I think it makes genuine sense for. They can afford one overpaid contract and they desperately need shooting and should be looking at young guys.

Maxing IQ would give them Ivey-Quickley-Cade-Ausar-Duren with Sasser-Grimes-#5-Stewart putting them at about about 110M after the draft and a couple minimum guys signed. So enough space to grab a forward (probably just keep Fontecchio) and still absorb 15M-20M in bad deals or try to sign a center.

Or draft Clingan and then you've got 2 decent centers who are different enough, with Beef Stew at the 4 or you move him to a team that needs shooting at the 5 and has the defensive setup to survive with Stewart at the 5. Still a 50+ loss team in any case due to the youth, so a chance at Flagg or another wing.

[Skin]

What has IQ done to deserve more than 25 ish mil a year?

Do you think the Raptors would let him walk away if he got that from another team? Or would they match?

IQ 4 year max starting at 35.25m with 5% raises, would be a 4 year $156m deal (39m AAV).
I can't see anyone doing that.

The Raptors would probably play chicken with them, saying that they'll wait til the last minute to match the offer in order to force that team to rescind the offer while other FAs go off the table, as that team would basically have no cap space to do anything else but wait on the Raptors. Then I guess the Raptors would ultimately match it and eventually look to trade him down the road, possibly to that very team lol. That other team would be risking ending up with nobody in FA and completely wasting their cap space. Which is why I don't see it happening.

$39m AAV would be ROUGH for IQ though, no doubt, esp with Barnes' upcoming max, and Barrett's contract.
I would not be surprised to see IQ get a 4 year $110m deal though ($27.5m AAV), and $30m per year is not off the table esp given the lack of FAs this year, and the desperation of some teams to use their cap space before their team gets expensive.

I could ALSO see IQ taking a shorter deal to stay in Toronto, boost his stock as the starting PG putting up numbers with the ball in his hands, and then hitting FA early once the new TV deal kicks in.

NBA teams have 2 days to match the offer. That's not really making the offering team suffer or lose out on FA in a terrible way.

Also, I've never seen a team match and then trade them down the line to the team who gave a RFA an offer sheet. I've seen S&Ts that happen, but that happens in the moment, not down the line.

[DreamTeam09]

IQ isn't going anywhere. RFA rarely ever get offer sheeted. Orlando should/would be the team to go after IQ, not DET

[ontnut]

Do you think the Raptors would let him walk away if he got that from another team? Or would they match?

IQ 4 year max starting at 35.25m with 5% raises, would be a 4 year $156m deal (39m AAV).
I can't see anyone doing that.

The Raptors would probably play chicken with them, saying that they'll wait til the last minute to match the offer in order to force that team to rescind the offer while other FAs go off the table, as that team would basically have no cap space to do anything else but wait on the Raptors. Then I guess the Raptors would ultimately match it and eventually look to trade him down the road, possibly to that very team lol. That other team would be risking ending up with nobody in FA and completely wasting their cap space. Which is why I don't see it happening.

$39m AAV would be ROUGH for IQ though, no doubt, esp with Barnes' upcoming max, and Barrett's contract.
I would not be surprised to see IQ get a 4 year $110m deal though ($27.5m AAV), and $30m per year is not off the table esp given the lack of FAs this year, and the desperation of some teams to use their cap space before their team gets expensive.

I could ALSO see IQ taking a shorter deal to stay in Toronto, boost his stock as the starting PG putting up numbers with the ball in his hands, and then hitting FA early once the new TV deal kicks in.

NBA teams have 2 days to match the offer. That's not really making the offering team suffer or lose out on FA in a terrible way.

Also, I've never seen a team match and then trade them down the line to the team who gave a RFA an offer sheet. I've seen S&Ts that happen, but that happens in the moment, not down the line.

The 2 days is long enough for them to miss out on the top FAs, that's the thing. Most of the top FA's are gone by day 3.

And that's true, I was just saying that as an option, in terms of trade down the line. a S&T to that team would obviously make more sense esp since they'd need to clear a TON of space to bring IQ in.

[Skin]

IQ 4 year max starting at 35.25m with 5% raises, would be a 4 year $156m deal (39m AAV).
I can't see anyone doing that.

The Raptors would probably play chicken with them, saying that they'll wait til the last minute to match the offer in order to force that team to rescind the offer while other FAs go off the table, as that team would basically have no cap space to do anything else but wait on the Raptors. Then I guess the Raptors would ultimately match it and eventually look to trade him down the road, possibly to that very team lol. That other team would be risking ending up with nobody in FA and completely wasting their cap space. Which is why I don't see it happening.

$39m AAV would be ROUGH for IQ though, no doubt, esp with Barnes' upcoming max, and Barrett's contract.
I would not be surprised to see IQ get a 4 year $110m deal though ($27.5m AAV), and $30m per year is not off the table esp given the lack of FAs this year, and the desperation of some teams to use their cap space before their team gets expensive.

I could ALSO see IQ taking a shorter deal to stay in Toronto, boost his stock as the starting PG putting up numbers with the ball in his hands, and then hitting FA early once the new TV deal kicks in.

NBA teams have 2 days to match the offer. That's not really making the offering team suffer or lose out on FA in a terrible way.

Also, I've never seen a team match and then trade them down the line to the team who gave a RFA an offer sheet. I've seen S&Ts that happen, but that happens in the moment, not down the line.

The 2 days is long enough for them to miss out on the top FAs, that's the thing. Most of the top FA's are gone by day 3.

And that's true, I was just saying that as an option, in terms of trade down the line. a S&T to that team would obviously make more sense esp since they'd need to clear a TON of space to bring IQ in.

So Magic fan here... and from my perspective, Quickley is a top option for the Magic. Right age, right fit as far as being able to bring 3 point shooting, looks like he's blossoming as a passer, decent defender.

Other top options would be Monk, Tyus Jones... neither of which would be scooped up in the first 2 days of FA and if so, nothing to cry about.

Magic could have up to $60M in cap space, so throwing money at Quickley is not hard to do if they decided he was a missing piece. I like him more than Monk because he is a more consistent shooter and doesn't turn the ball over as much. I like him more than Tyus because of his scoring and age.

Maybe a S&T for Quickley is the best for both teams?

[ArthurVandelay]

NBA teams have 2 days to match the offer. That's not really making the offering team suffer or lose out on FA in a terrible way.

Also, I've never seen a team match and then trade them down the line to the team who gave a RFA an offer sheet. I've seen S&Ts that happen, but that happens in the moment, not down the line.

The 2 days is long enough for them to miss out on the top FAs, that's the thing. Most of the top FA's are gone by day 3.

And that's true, I was just saying that as an option, in terms of trade down the line. a S&T to that team would obviously make more sense esp since they'd need to clear a TON of space to bring IQ in.

So Magic fan here... and from my perspective, Quickley is a top option for the Magic. Right age, right fit as far as being able to bring 3 point shooting, looks like he's blossoming as a passer, decent defender.

Other top options would be Monk, Tyus Jones... neither of which would be scooped up in the first 2 days of FA and if so, nothing to cry about.

Magic could have up to $60M in cap space, so throwing money at Quickley is not hard to do if they decided he was a missing piece. I like him more than Monk because he is a more consistent shooter and doesn't turn the ball over as much. I like him more than Tyus because of his scoring and age.

Maybe a S&T for Quickley is the best for both teams?

IQ is going to be matches

Orlando can’t afford to overpay with extensions coming for Banchero, Suggs, and Franz. All will be RFA, like IQ, and if they over pay IQ, they risk another team overpaying by for one of their own.

IQ is going to get Herro or Vessel money, maybe a touch more.

[Skin]

The 2 days is long enough for them to miss out on the top FAs, that's the thing. Most of the top FA's are gone by day 3.

And that's true, I was just saying that as an option, in terms of trade down the line. a S&T to that team would obviously make more sense esp since they'd need to clear a TON of space to bring IQ in.

So Magic fan here... and from my perspective, Quickley is a top option for the Magic. Right age, right fit as far as being able to bring 3 point shooting, looks like he's blossoming as a passer, decent defender.

Other top options would be Monk, Tyus Jones... neither of which would be scooped up in the first 2 days of FA and if so, nothing to cry about.

Magic could have up to $60M in cap space, so throwing money at Quickley is not hard to do if they decided he was a missing piece. I like him more than Monk because he is a more consistent shooter and doesn't turn the ball over as much. I like him more than Tyus because of his scoring and age.

Maybe a S&T for Quickley is the best for both teams?

IQ is going to be matches

Orlando can’t afford to overpay with extensions coming for Banchero, Suggs, and Franz. All will be RFA, like IQ, and if they over pay IQ, they risk another team overpaying by for one of their own.

IQ is going to get Herro or Vessel money, maybe a touch more.

Orlando doesn't have a history of being stingy when it comes to paying players to keep them. Even if they have to pay the luxury tax.

It would boil down to whether they think IQ is worth it. I could see them offering 4 years, $120M. That's $30 per. Would you guys match that?

[ontnut]

NBA teams have 2 days to match the offer. That's not really making the offering team suffer or lose out on FA in a terrible way.

Also, I've never seen a team match and then trade them down the line to the team who gave a RFA an offer sheet. I've seen S&Ts that happen, but that happens in the moment, not down the line.

The 2 days is long enough for them to miss out on the top FAs, that's the thing. Most of the top FA's are gone by day 3.

And that's true, I was just saying that as an option, in terms of trade down the line. a S&T to that team would obviously make more sense esp since they'd need to clear a TON of space to bring IQ in.

So Magic fan here... and from my perspective, Quickley is a top option for the Magic. Right age, right fit as far as being able to bring 3 point shooting, looks like he's blossoming as a passer, decent defender.

Other top options would be Monk, Tyus Jones... neither of which would be scooped up in the first 2 days of FA and if so, nothing to cry about.

Magic could have up to $60M in cap space, so throwing money at Quickley is not hard to do if they decided he was a missing piece. I like him more than Monk because he is a more consistent shooter and doesn't turn the ball over as much. I like him more than Tyus because of his scoring and age.

Maybe a S&T for Quickley is the best for both teams?

How much are you offering Quickley though? And what's the S&T return?
Him and Suggs would be a pretty decent backcourt.

Tyus and Monk would be in different salary brackets imo.

Edit: Saw your $30mm x 4y proposal. Raptors match that without a doubt.

[ArthurVandelay]

So Magic fan here... and from my perspective, Quickley is a top option for the Magic. Right age, right fit as far as being able to bring 3 point shooting, looks like he's blossoming as a passer, decent defender.

Other top options would be Monk, Tyus Jones... neither of which would be scooped up in the first 2 days of FA and if so, nothing to cry about.

Magic could have up to $60M in cap space, so throwing money at Quickley is not hard to do if they decided he was a missing piece. I like him more than Monk because he is a more consistent shooter and doesn't turn the ball over as much. I like him more than Tyus because of his scoring and age.

Maybe a S&T for Quickley is the best for both teams?

IQ is going to be matches

Orlando can’t afford to overpay with extensions coming for Banchero, Suggs, and Franz. All will be RFA, like IQ, and if they over pay IQ, they risk another team overpaying by for one of their own.

IQ is going to get Herro or Vessel money, maybe a touch more.

Orlando doesn't have a history of being stingy when it comes to paying players to keep them. Even if they have to pay the luxury tax.

It would boil down to whether they think IQ is worth it. I could see them offering 4 years, $120M. That's $30 per. Would you guys match that?

Absolutely. It’s less than Herro and Vessell.

[ontnut]

IQ is going to be matches

Orlando can’t afford to overpay with extensions coming for Banchero, Suggs, and Franz. All will be RFA, like IQ, and if they over pay IQ, they risk another team overpaying by for one of their own.

IQ is going to get Herro or Vessel money, maybe a touch more.

Orlando doesn't have a history of being stingy when it comes to paying players to keep them. Even if they have to pay the luxury tax.

It would boil down to whether they think IQ is worth it. I could see them offering 4 years, $120M. That's $30 per. Would you guys match that?

Absolutely. It’s less than Herro and Vessell.

The max is $39 per, He asked for $25 on the extension, $27.5 is my prediction, $30 is definitely doable.

[ArthurVandelay]

Orlando doesn't have a history of being stingy when it comes to paying players to keep them. Even if they have to pay the luxury tax.

It would boil down to whether they think IQ is worth it. I could see them offering 4 years, $120M. That's $30 per. Would you guys match that?

Absolutely. It’s less than Herro and Vessell.

The max is $39 per, He asked for $25 on the extension, $27.5 is my prediction, $30 is definitely doable.

5/$150 with $15m in incentives tied to winning.

No options

I’d be happy with that.

[Skin]

Orlando doesn't have a history of being stingy when it comes to paying players to keep them. Even if they have to pay the luxury tax.

It would boil down to whether they think IQ is worth it. I could see them offering 4 years, $120M. That's $30 per. Would you guys match that?

Absolutely. It’s less than Herro and Vessell.

The max is $39 per, He asked for $25 on the extension, $27.5 is my prediction, $30 is definitely doable.

What's the threshold for you where you say no, that's too much?

[CazOnReal]

Absolutely. It’s less than Herro and Vessell.

The max is $39 per, He asked for $25 on the extension, $27.5 is my prediction, $30 is definitely doable.

What's the threshold for you where you say no, that's too much?

The Magic aren't getting Quickley, deal with it.

[Skin]

The max is $39 per, He asked for $25 on the extension, $27.5 is my prediction, $30 is definitely doable.

What's the threshold for you where you say no, that's too much?

The Magic aren't getting Quickley, deal with it.

That's 99.999999999% true, but for fun what's the number where you start to say, yeah, that's too much for Quickley?

For me, I'd say $35M per year. More than that and I'm looking at other options.

[ontnut]

What's the threshold for you where you say no, that's too much?

The Magic aren't getting Quickley, deal with it.

That's 99.999999999% true, but for fun what's the number where you start to say, yeah, that's too much for Quickley?

For me, I'd say $35M per year. More than that and I'm looking at other options.

I mean, the max is $39. So..35 isn't exactly that far off.

Anything more than 30 would have me questioning myself.

[PoundTown]

The Magic aren't getting Quickley, deal with it.

That's 99.999999999% true, but for fun what's the number where you start to say, yeah, that's too much for Quickley?

For me, I'd say $35M per year. More than that and I'm looking at other options.

I mean, the max is $39. So..35 isn't exactly that far off.

Anything more than 30 would have me questioning myself.

We don't really have any other choice, but to keep him. Losing him for nothing would be really bad.

[DreamTeam09]

What's the threshold for you where you say no, that's too much?

The Magic aren't getting Quickley, deal with it.

That's 99.999999999% true, but for fun what's the number where you start to say, yeah, that's too much for Quickley?

For me, I'd say $35M per year. More than that and I'm looking at other options.

It's 4 days after the start FA before you can offer sheet, & then it's 2 days to match. So almost a whole week before you u know if you have recieved your RFA signing