2024 Off-Season

[JeffFosters]

My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin

my crazy out there idea is to trade Nembhard to a team that lacks a starting point guard. we can get by with Ty and TJ at point.

I was so disappointed in Ty’s game that I envisioned making Nembhard the full time 1 and trading Ty for a star wing. I even opened the trade checker and played around. I’ve calmed down now.

My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin in a package to get Mikal Bridges. Bridges is solid enough offensively, especially as a 2nd/3rd option, and is stellar defensively, even with smaller opponents. You'd be able to switch Bridges and Nesmith, and still have a Nembhard/McConnell/Sheppard off the bench as good to decent defensive options, too.

Sign me up. Let’s fax this to Pritchard asap.

[basketballwacko2]

I really don't know what we'd add to our roster in a perfect summer. I assume Doug is gone unless he's willing to take JJ's role.

Stix could of course force a replacement. too bad OT is only 6'8". would Valanciunas accept a lightly used backup role?

I don't think there is anyone in the draft who is gonna help the Pacers. I'd like to have Edey as backup center with Jackson, I think Smith will opt out. They could attempt to package the 2 late 2nds and move up, or add a future 2nd to them and try to get a late #1 fi there is a guy who they want.

I'd like to have Valanciunas in a backup role as well.

[JMaster5K]

My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin

my crazy out there idea is to trade Nembhard to a team that lacks a starting point guard. we can get by with Ty and TJ at point.

I was so disappointed in Ty’s game that I envisioned making Nembhard the full time 1 and trading Ty for a star wing. I even opened the trade checker and played around. I’ve calmed down now.

My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin in a package to get Mikal Bridges. Bridges is solid enough offensively, especially as a 2nd/3rd option, and is stellar defensively, even with smaller opponents. You'd be able to switch Bridges and Nesmith, and still have a Nembhard/McConnell/Sheppard off the bench as good to decent defensive options, too.

Sign me up. Let’s fax this to Pritchard asap.

That works for me,... though,.. with Houston sitting at 3,... if they can't trade the pick, they are likely in on a wing? I would see if Tari Eason could be gotten for much less than Mathurin?... He'd bring the Bridges level of defense in a player that could go 3 or 4, and switch 1 - 4. He's younger,.. not quite as polished as Bridges, but a bunch cheaper,... He could even be the replacement for Pascal, long term?....

If Mathurin's attempts to improve his defense kick in,.. and you have Eason, with Myles or IJax behind them?....

[Wizop]

Spurs are said to be interested in dealing with Atlanta for Trae. We could counter with Nembhard at a much lower cost for them.

[JMaster5K]

My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin in a package to get Mikal Bridges. Bridges is solid enough offensively, especially as a 2nd/3rd option, and is stellar defensively, even with smaller opponents. You'd be able to switch Bridges and Nesmith, and still have a Nembhard/McConnell/Sheppard off the bench as good to decent defensive options, too.

A bit of wild speculation,.. but I think Bridges will be untouchable for this summer. Maybe into next year. Bridges is best friends with Donovan Mitchell. They (along with Bam) train together in the summers. The 2 guys that Mitchell mentioned before the trade to Cleveland saying that, 'he wanted to play with them', were Bridges & Bam.

With all the media reporting about Mitchell being 'lukewarm' in his responses about staying in Cleveland? (Which isn't really accurate,.. all he actually said was that he wasn't going to consider any contract situation while he was still playing. He would look at it after the season.) And, his quoted desire to play in NY one day?... He probably can't get to the Knicks,... but it just feels like BKN is positioning themselves as his team in NY if he asks out?

I'm wildly speculating,... that the nets will keep Bridges until the Mitchell questions get answered this summer?... If Mitchell extends,.. then it's anybody's game,.... LOL

[Tom White]

Spurs are said to be interested in dealing with Atlanta for Trae. We could counter with Nembhard at a much lower cost for them.

Would you really want Trae? I don't.

[Wizop]

Spurs are said to be interested in dealing with Atlanta for Trae. We could counter with Nembhard at a much lower cost for them.

Would you really want Trae? I don't.

No, what I'd want is the lower of the Spurs two lottery picks.

or - I watched a podcast on 5 free agents whose season lowered their market value and Caleb Martin is interesting,

[Scoot McGroot]

my crazy out there idea is to trade Nembhard to a team that lacks a starting point guard. we can get by with Ty and TJ at point.

I was so disappointed in Ty’s game that I envisioned making Nembhard the full time 1 and trading Ty for a star wing. I even opened the trade checker and played around. I’ve calmed down now.

My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin in a package to get Mikal Bridges. Bridges is solid enough offensively, especially as a 2nd/3rd option, and is stellar defensively, even with smaller opponents. You'd be able to switch Bridges and Nesmith, and still have a Nembhard/McConnell/Sheppard off the bench as good to decent defensive options, too.

Sign me up. Let’s fax this to Pritchard asap.

That works for me,... though,.. with Houston sitting at 3,... if they can't trade the pick, they are likely in on a wing? I would see if Tari Eason could be gotten for much less than Mathurin?... He'd bring the Bridges level of defense in a player that could go 3 or 4, and switch 1 - 4. He's younger,.. not quite as polished as Bridges, but a bunch cheaper,... He could even be the replacement for Pascal, long term?....

If Mathurin's attempts to improve his defense kick in,.. and you have Eason, with Myles or IJax behind them?....

What would we offer Houston that they would want for Eason? And why would they want to consider dealing Eason? If they want a wing, what can we offer them, other than...Nesmith? And wouldn't we want to add defenders to Nesmith, rather than swap them?

It'd be great if Mathurin's defense kicks in, though. That would just be insane.

[Scoot McGroot]

Spurs are said to be interested in dealing with Atlanta for Trae. We could counter with Nembhard at a much lower cost for them.

Would you really want Trae? I don't.

No, what I'd want is the lower of the Spurs two lottery picks.

or - I watched a podcast on 5 free agents whose season lowered their market value and Caleb Martin is interesting,

Which wing would you be zeroing in on at 8? Pop does seem like the guy to love a Nembhard, but I don't know how close a Nembhard/36 gets to 8?

[Wizop]

It'd be great if Mathurin's defense kicks in, though. That would just be insane.

Walker and Brown also were supposed to be defenders.

[Scoot McGroot]

It'd be great if Mathurin's defense kicks in, though. That would just be insane.

Walker and Brown also were supposed to be defenders.

I don't know if Brown is going to be on the roster next year.

[Wizop]

I don't know if Brown is going to be on the roster next year.

maybe not but changing the 14th player in the rotation isn't going to bring a bunch more wins,

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't know if Brown is going to be on the roster next year.

maybe not but changing the 14th player in the rotation isn't going to bring a bunch more wins,

Who said it would? But we're spitballing the continued growth of the team. I don't think we should give up on any moves or anything just because we think that Kendall Brown is fine enough as the 14th player on the roster, no?

I think I lost track of what your point might be.

[Wizop]

I think I lost track of what your point might be.

I said Walker and Brown were originally signed for their defensive potential. You replied that Brown might not be resigned. I should have replied more explicitly that he'll need to make a jump from 14th on the roster for his defense to matter.

I do wonder if we'll make any substantial moves this summer. I can see just bringing almost everyone back particularly if Tyrese isn't 100%. but rebounding and defense are issues. would a roster change bring a Brunson stopper? an OG stopper? a Franz Wagner Stopper?

[basketballwacko2]

maybe not but changing the 14th player in the rotation isn't going to bring a bunch more wins,

The Pacers need a bigger SF who can play some defense, I hate to say it but Paul George would be exactly the kind of player I'd want if he wasn't a jerk, and then move Nesmith to shooting guard and bring Nembard and TJ off the bench. My problem is I don't know who really is a good defender other than guys like Mikal Bridges and he's no bigger than Nesmith.

The one thing I know for sure is that day one of Free Agency they better get Siakam signed or they're gonna look pretty stupid.

[basketballwacko2]

This team needs to draft better look at the 2017, 2018 drafts and imagine what could have been! OG instead of TJ Leaf, and Brunson instead of Aaron Holiday. That's all needs to be said really.

[JMaster5K]

I was so disappointed in Ty’s game that I envisioned making Nembhard the full time 1 and trading Ty for a star wing. I even opened the trade checker and played around. I’ve calmed down now.



Sign me up. Let’s fax this to Pritchard asap.

That works for me,... though,.. with Houston sitting at 3,... if they can't trade the pick, they are likely in on a wing? I would see if Tari Eason could be gotten for much less than Mathurin?... He'd bring the Bridges level of defense in a player that could go 3 or 4, and switch 1 - 4. He's younger,.. not quite as polished as Bridges, but a bunch cheaper,... He could even be the replacement for Pascal, long term?....

If Mathurin's attempts to improve his defense kick in,.. and you have Eason, with Myles or IJax behind them?....

What would we offer Houston that they would want for Eason? And why would they want to consider dealing Eason? If they want a wing, what can we offer them, other than...Nesmith? And wouldn't we want to add defenders to Nesmith, rather than swap them?

It'd be great if Mathurin's defense kicks in, though. That would just be insane.

This is where I might try to do that sign & trade with Stix? During the FA period. Rockets, during the season, were looking for another big to give them depth. Traded for Steven Adams, but he was injured & only under contract through 24-25. For their pace & how they play, Stix would make an ideal 3rd big with Jabari & Sengun. All of them could get around 30 minutes a night. Fit would be very good.

Houston has three expiring contracts (Adams, Tate, Green) any 1 of which could be packaged with Eason to make the money work. We might even be able to get a future Rockets 2nd out of it, as they have a need for a versatile 4/5, but Eason as a 3/4 is stuck behind a number of players (with Whitmore moving past him on the depth chart.) which will only get worse, if HOU has to take someone like Rissacher in the draft?

I'd take a flyer on Adams as our 'bruising' big behind Myles, if it also landed Eason? If we had both Adams & JJ,... not many teams would dare to try to rough us up,...

[Scoot McGroot]

That works for me,... though,.. with Houston sitting at 3,... if they can't trade the pick, they are likely in on a wing? I would see if Tari Eason could be gotten for much less than Mathurin?... He'd bring the Bridges level of defense in a player that could go 3 or 4, and switch 1 - 4. He's younger,.. not quite as polished as Bridges, but a bunch cheaper,... He could even be the replacement for Pascal, long term?....

If Mathurin's attempts to improve his defense kick in,.. and you have Eason, with Myles or IJax behind them?....

What would we offer Houston that they would want for Eason? And why would they want to consider dealing Eason? If they want a wing, what can we offer them, other than...Nesmith? And wouldn't we want to add defenders to Nesmith, rather than swap them?

It'd be great if Mathurin's defense kicks in, though. That would just be insane.

This is where I might try to do that sign & trade with Stix? During the FA period. Rockets, during the season, were looking for another big to give them depth. Traded for Steven Adams, but he was injured & only under contract through 24-25. For their pace & how they play, Stix would make an ideal 3rd big with Jabari & Sengun. All of them could get around 30 minutes a night. Fit would be very good.

Houston has three expiring contracts (Adams, Tate, Green) any 1 of which could be packaged with Eason to make the money work. We might even be able to get a future Rockets 2nd out of it, as they have a need for a versatile 4/5, but Eason as a 3/4 is stuck behind a number of players (with Whitmore moving past him on the depth chart.) which will only get worse, if HOU has to take someone like Rissacher in the draft?

I'd take a flyer on Adams as our 'bruising' big behind Myles, if it also landed Eason? If we had both Adams & JJ,... not many teams would dare to try to rough us up,...

Swapping Stix for Eason wouldn’t help Houston’s big problems, though. It would just be swapping a 3/4/5 for a 5/4? I just don’t see what Houston is getting out of these trades, necessarily. Especially when they have cap space or the exceptions necessary to just sign a Stix themselves and also keep Eason.

I guess I’m asking if you’d be willing to send actual draft value or a real rotation player necessary to get an Eason via trade? Like, I think Houston would want a Nesmith, Nembhard or real draft pick value.

[boomershadow]

I'd like to see Valanciunas rather than Adam's tbh.

[JMaster5K]

What would we offer Houston that they would want for Eason? And why would they want to consider dealing Eason? If they want a wing, what can we offer them, other than...Nesmith? And wouldn't we want to add defenders to Nesmith, rather than swap them?

It'd be great if Mathurin's defense kicks in, though. That would just be insane.

This is where I might try to do that sign & trade with Stix? During the FA period. Rockets, during the season, were looking for another big to give them depth. Traded for Steven Adams, but he was injured & only under contract through 24-25. For their pace & how they play, Stix would make an ideal 3rd big with Jabari & Sengun. All of them could get around 30 minutes a night. Fit would be very good.

Houston has three expiring contracts (Adams, Tate, Green) any 1 of which could be packaged with Eason to make the money work. We might even be able to get a future Rockets 2nd out of it, as they have a need for a versatile 4/5, but Eason as a 3/4 is stuck behind a number of players (with Whitmore moving past him on the depth chart.) which will only get worse, if HOU has to take someone like Rissacher in the draft?

I'd take a flyer on Adams as our 'bruising' big behind Myles, if it also landed Eason? If we had both Adams & JJ,... not many teams would dare to try to rough us up,...

Swapping Stix for Eason wouldn’t help Houston’s big problems, though. It would just be swapping a 3/4/5 for a 5/4? I just don’t see what Houston is getting out of these trades, necessarily. Especially when they have cap space or the exceptions necessary to just sign a Stix themselves and also keep Eason.

I guess I’m asking if you’d be willing to send actual draft value or a real rotation player necessary to get an Eason via trade? Like, I think Houston would want a Nesmith, Nembhard or real draft pick value.

It wouldn't help Houston's big problem? They've openly said they were looking for someone that could play the 4/5 behind Jabari & Sengun to fill out their rotation. You don't think Stix fits that description? (not being 'snarky'. Really would like your insight? Suddenly realized that just asking the question could sound either way, so wanted to be clear...)

The issue with Eason in Houston is that he's a 3/4 playing behind Jabari at the 4, and both Cam Whitmore and Dillon Brooks at the 3 (you might add Amen to that list if keeps developing & can't yet pick up time at the 1)?... Tari just doesn't have the value to them because they don't have the minutes for him.

When Tari got injured, they essentially didn't have a backup 4. They ended up playing 37 year old Jeff Green almost 900 minutes at the 4. When Green couldn't go, they played 6'6" Whitmore at the 4. Grabbing Adams didn't help with the PF minutes, but gave them insurance that they wouldn't have to play Sengun massive minutes every game. (They lost faith in Landale during the season & his minutes fell off.) If the only minutes available for Eason in 24-25 are backup 4 minutes,... he's gonna have 10-14 minutes a game?... when he's been playing 20+?

Stix has played really well this season. He 's probably proven that he isn't a starter, but can be a key part of the rotation, playing good minutes. His shooting profile (including .424 on 3's) fits with how they use Jabari (very similar shot charts). He just can't defend on the perimeter at Jabari's level. Sengun is a low post beast. Stix is never gonna be that. He can be a guy on the second unit that rebounds, defends the rim, & runs the P&R with FVV. Good enough to fill in for considerable minutes most every night at both spots. Which means a larger role than he would have here?...

I gotta think that Stix has value to Houston,.. or certain other teams that might see him filling a bigger role than Indy can offer moving forward. Yes,.. I think a couple of the teams that value him, could create enough cap room to sign him, but likely also have larger targets to look at first? I think there are a few places, that would be good for Stix, that can't create that cap room (like the Rockets - projected practical cap space in 24-25 of -27Mill)? Then we wouldn't have to lose him for nothing?

So, to answer your question,.. Yes and no. LOL - (Sorry,... ) I view Stix as a real rotation player. Second unit, but a real rotation player none the less. So, yes, I would send a real rotation player to Houston. Would I send Nesmith, or Nembhard? - No. We have minutes for them. They are currently crucial to our team. (that could change depending on what happens this summer with Sheppard & Mathurin?) With Pascal,... we probably don't have the minutes for Stix, because he can't play as a big wing, at the 3. Eason has and can.

I wouldn't send someone who is a regular to occasional starter for us to Houston for someone who is a second unit player for them. I would send a second unit player from the Pacers to make that trade. Change the skill mix for both teams to something closer to what the coaches on both teams are saying they want? (if that makes any sense?)

and it could just be that I am grasping at straws, hoping not to see Stix leave without the Pacers having something to show for it?....