Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Man Herro Stan’s are something else, he shows you year after year he’s a role player who can sometimes get hot at best but you all still keep trucking along like he’s the next Booker. I gotta give credit to your loyalty tbh

He's definitely closer to a role player than a star. I still think he is like CJ McCollum, who is a good player, but is too inconsistent to be an all-star.

Miami could probably move Herro for Lavine or DeRozan, but both of those moves have serious downsides/risks. Outside of that, Miami would likely have to move Herro for some combination of role players.

I used to think he had a CJ ceiling but I’m not sure anymore. CJ is likely an all star at some point out East and peak CJ clears Herro so far pretty easily

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ll gladly wait until Mitchell’s FA if that’s what it takes but somethings gotta give this summer one way or another. Cant run it back

[Timantha]

Mitchell will have a list this time. It's his final year of his contract so he has to decide where he wants to stay in the future. Ya'll keep bringing up the no public demands from last time.. Ofc he didn't because he was year 1 into his max extension. He was a young player and had no say or leverage

[carnageta]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Herro should never be an option over Bam, the team hierarchy has been fuxked for a few years now. Hes never been a better or more efficient scorer

[Kobewade11]

Mitchell will have a list this time. It's his final year of his contract so he has to decide where he wants to stay in the future. Ya'll keep bringing up the no public demands from last time.. Ofc he didn't because he was year 1 into his max extension. He was a young player and had no say or leverage

Can you name an instance in recent memory when a star player regardless of contract status demanded a trade and did not demand a location or provide a list of preferred destinations? Like ‘idc where I go just get me out of here’ lol

[carnageta]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Herro should never be an option over Bam, the team hierarchy has been fuxked for a few years now. Hes never been a better or more efficient scorer

Meh, I think at this point we'll just be arguing semantics my guy. The point is neither Herro nor Bam are good enough to be a bonafide #2. Whether one is the 3rd option and the other is the 4th, or vice versa - does not matter. Just put them at their natural positions offensively (as complimentary scorers who can get you 18-20 as opposed to go-to scorers trying to score 25+) and success will follow.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Herro should never be an option over Bam, the team hierarchy has been fuxked for a few years now. Hes never been a better or more efficient scorer

Meh, I think at this point we'll just be arguing semantics my guy. The point is neither Herro nor Bam are good enough to be a bonafide #2. Whether one is the 3rd option and the other is the 4th, or vice versa - does not matter. Just put them at their natural positions offensively (as complimentary scorers who can get you 18-20 as opposed to go-to scorers trying to score 25+) and success will follow.

That’ll change if we ever get someone to make Bams life easier offensively like he does for everyone else on the team

[carnageta]

Herro should never be an option over Bam, the team hierarchy has been fuxked for a few years now. Hes never been a better or more efficient scorer

Meh, I think at this point we'll just be arguing semantics my guy. The point is neither Herro nor Bam are good enough to be a bonafide #2. Whether one is the 3rd option and the other is the 4th, or vice versa - does not matter. Just put them at their natural positions offensively (as complimentary scorers who can get you 18-20 as opposed to go-to scorers trying to score 25+) and success will follow.

That’ll change if we ever get someone to make Bams life easier offensively like he does for everyone else on the team

I just don't see Bam being a #2 on a championship-level team, unless that #1 is a top 5 player in the NBA (i.e. Luka Doncic) and can score 30+ consistently.

Here are Bam's playoff averages during the postseasons in which we had a deep run:

2020: 15.5ppg
2022: 14.8ppg
2023: 17.9ppg (on 48% shooting)


Only way you're making Bam's life easier offensively is by adding a real #1/#2 option to this team, allowing him to take more efficient shots and less end of the shot clock type shots.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Meh, I think at this point we'll just be arguing semantics my guy. The point is neither Herro nor Bam are good enough to be a bonafide #2. Whether one is the 3rd option and the other is the 4th, or vice versa - does not matter. Just put them at their natural positions offensively (as complimentary scorers who can get you 18-20 as opposed to go-to scorers trying to score 25+) and success will follow.

That’ll change if we ever get someone to make Bams life easier offensively like he does for everyone else on the team

I just don't see Bam being a #2 on a championship-level team, unless that #1 is a top 5 player in the NBA (i.e. Luka Doncic) and can score 30+ consistently.

Here are Bam's playoff averages during the postseasons in which we had a deep run:

2020: 15.5ppg
2022: 14.8ppg
2023: 17.9ppg (on 48% shooting)


Only way you're making Bam's life easier offensively is by adding a real #1/#2 option to this team, allowing him to take more efficient shots and less end of the shot clock type shots.

Just need a good playmaker tbh, he has the worst shot quality in the playoffs or maybe it was bottom 3, it was the same in the regular season for centers as well. We don’t have a single above average playmaker or anyone who provides any kind of constant rim pressure.

I see what you’re saying though and it’s not a bad take but I’m not 100% sold of them not winning the championship with him as the 2nd option because we’ve been close multiple times now but injuries and other things got in the way. Id like to never know now at this point though, change is needed this summer. Big change

[Rapaz]

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[Timantha]

Mitchell will have a list this time. It's his final year of his contract so he has to decide where he wants to stay in the future. Ya'll keep bringing up the no public demands from last time.. Ofc he didn't because he was year 1 into his max extension. He was a young player and had no say or leverage

Can you name an instance in recent memory when a star player regardless of contract status demanded a trade and did not demand a location or provide a list of preferred destinations? Like ‘idc where I go just get me out of here’ lol

Mitchell didn't ask out of Utah though. Ainge didn't like what he saw with Spida and Gobert taking all the cap, so he said let's rebuild instead of trying to make it work lol

He sold high instead of waiting until the last minute before their contracts expired

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/09/12/explaining-donovan-mitchell-rudy/

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If the SA not being interested in Trae stuff is true that’s definitely a great option. Windy seems to think his value and Ingrams are pretty low. Hes my 2nd choice easily and he would unlock Bam more than anyone maybe in the league.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Damn they’re serving up Trae on a silver platter aren’t they?

[greg4012]

I think this #2 option discussion is always weird and goofy without context. Who's creating the offense? How much is the #1 option doing? How much is the #2 scorer doing aside from scoring? What if there are 2 guys within 1-2 ppg of each other? What if #2-4 are all somewhere from 14-18 ppg guys? Like it just doesn't mean much of anything without a lot more info.

What I do know is Bam is ready-made to bring a ton to the table on both sides of the ball. Let's get a real #1 scorer, and more 2-way players of proper size on our squad to go along with Bam and I like our chances.

[greg4012]

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Damn they’re serving up Trae on a silver platter aren’t they?

I got reservations on both Trae and Ingram, but if Mitchell ain't happening, I welcome the roster and timeline upgrade with either for the right price.

With Trae, literally no1 else on the floor can be a negative on defense.

[Kobewade11]

Mitchell will have a list this time. It's his final year of his contract so he has to decide where he wants to stay in the future. Ya'll keep bringing up the no public demands from last time.. Ofc he didn't because he was year 1 into his max extension. He was a young player and had no say or leverage

Can you name an instance in recent memory when a star player regardless of contract status demanded a trade and did not demand a location or provide a list of preferred destinations? Like ‘idc where I go just get me out of here’ lol

Mitchell didn't ask out of Utah though. Ainge didn't like what he saw with Spida and Gobert taking all the cap, so he said let's rebuild instead of trying to make it work lol

He sold high instead of waiting until the last minute before their contracts expired

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/09/12/explaining-donovan-mitchell-rudy/

The writing was on the wall when Ainge came in and traded Gobert for draft picks, Mitchell knew he was out of there lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Cowherd said something smart for once

[Beenie]

Jeff Teague spitballed a pretty good idea for Atl which is to keep Young and trade Murray to The Pels for Ingram and the #1 pick to Brooklyn for Bridges.

[HeatFan_NC]

Mitchell will not be in a Cavs uniform next season. The fact that he didn't play in a closeout-game situation says it all.

Wouldn't be surprised if Cavs drafted Bronny and then traded Mitchell to LAL for LeBron