Post Mortem 2023/24 - Cleveland Cavaliers (Eliminated in East Semis)

[bisme37]

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2023-24 record: 48-34
4th in NBA Eastern Conference, eliminated by BOS

Off Rtg: 115.2 (18th)
Def Rtg: 112.7 (6th)
Net Rtg: +2.5 (13th)

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(From Bobby Marks)

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PAYROLL | Link
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FREE AGENTS
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Isaac Okoro (R)
Tristan Thompson
Marcus Morris
Damian Jones
Isaiah Mobley (R)
Emoni Bates (R)
Pete Nance (R)

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DRAFT PICKS
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2024 - Own #20
2025 - To UTH
2026 - Less favorable of (i) CLE and (ii) more favorable of UTH 1-8 and MIN if UTH does not convey 1st round pick to OKC in 2025; or Less favorable of (i) CLE and (ii) more favorable of UTH and MIN if UTH conveys 1st round pick to OKC in 2025 (via UTH swap for MIN; via UTH swap of UTH or MIN for CLE)
2027 - To UTH
2028 - Own or UTH (via UTH swap for CLE)
2029 - To UTH
2030 - Own

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[ChiTownHero1992]

Either run it back or look to trade Mitchell for something complimentary to Mobley for the next 5+ years

[Pantsman]

It all depends on what Mitchell wants to do. If he won’t resign there’s gonna be about 20 suitors ready with offers.

[Marvin Martian]

Trade Mitchell and prioritize the development of the young players. Garland was lost the entire playoffs and Mobley was inconsistent. They are not ready to play championship basketball right now.

[eyriq]

On the surface it seems like a decision between Garland/Mobley or Mitchell/Allen.

[jkvonny]

Keep coach and FO.

Performed just about as expected.

Somewhat of a treadmill team, needs more depth maybe.

[JujitsuFlip]

Who is voting in these polls? Fire jb and fire Koby, these are clear as day needs to upgrade.

[KGDirkTD_Fan]

Stories seems to be emerging that JB will be fired and DG will request a trade in the event Mitchell will be retained.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5497268/2024/05/15/cavaliers-donovan-mitchell-darius-garland-jb-bickerstaff-future/?source=user_shared_article

Assuming if Mitchell decides to stay it seems likely DG and Allen will be packaged together to move them off the team...specifically because Garland's contract alone is hard to move.

[Chuck Everett]

I said it in the Garland trade demand thread (if Mitchell is extended). I would trade Allen, Mitchell and Garland. Tell the league we're building around Evan Mobley. He's our franchise guy. The same way Paolo is Orlando's franchise. The way Scottie Barnes is Toronto's franchise. Rip the bandaid off and tell everyone if you're not on Evan's program, you're out.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Fire G.M.
Fire H.C.
As expected (given their poor roster construction and depth)
Waning team (they can keep being pretenders by running it back but no better than that)

I'd blow it up, trade everyone but Mobley and build around him. If done properly within 3 years they'd be making legitimate playoff runs and be a contender. Every team starting from zero should be able to build a playoff team within 3 years. Cavs will have Mobley so the job would be even easier.

[Chuck Everett]

Honestly, I thought about it again, that Mitchell trade with Utah was so egregiously bad, Cleveland might just have to tell everyone to STFU and run it back. Losing four straight years (two swaps included) of picks beginning in 2025 and retooling around Mobley, you might be forced to suck it up and roll with it. Allen has two years left, but he's a rim running big that might be too soft for the playoffs.

Everyone wants the Spurs to make trades (because they want their treasure trove of picks), but the Spurs are a cap conscious franchise while they're rebuilding, so they won't do it. This is where the play-in messes things up. I have to really think about where to trade some of these guys.

[Johnny Tomala]

Keep, keep, as expected, treadmill.

[KnicksGadfly]

Too much blame placed on the coach and bench, not enough blame on their core.

[jbk1234]

I said it in the Garland trade demand thread (if Mitchell is extended). I would trade Allen, Mitchell and Garland. Tell the league we're building around Evan Mobley. He's our franchise guy. The same way Paolo is Orlando's franchise. The way Scottie Barnes is Toronto's franchise. Rip the bandaid off and tell everyone if you're not on Evan's program, you're out.

If you're building around Mobley, you'd be foolish to trade Garland. You won't find a better PG to pair Mobley with.

[Iwasawitness]

Stories seems to be emerging that JB will be fired and DG will request a trade in the event Mitchell will be retained.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5497268/2024/05/15/cavaliers-donovan-mitchell-darius-garland-jb-bickerstaff-future/?source=user_shared_article

Assuming if Mitchell decides to stay it seems likely DG and Allen will be packaged together to move them off the team...specifically because Garland's contract alone is hard to move.

No way Allen gets traded unless opposing teams give an insane package for him. He was terrific this year and is on a very team friendly contract.

[JujitsuFlip]

Honestly, I thought about it again, that Mitchell trade with Utah was so egregiously bad, Cleveland might just have to tell everyone to STFU and run it back. Losing four straight years (two swaps included) of picks beginning in 2025 and retooling around Mobley, you might be forced to suck it up and roll with it. Allen has two years left, but he's a rim running big that might be too soft for the playoffs.

Everyone wants the Spurs to make trades (because they want their treasure trove of picks), but the Spurs are a cap conscious franchise while they're rebuilding, so they won't do it. This is where the play-in messes things up. I have to really think about where to trade some of these guys.

I'll do ya one better, it is 5 straight drafts they have no control over.

2025 unprotected 1st to the Jazz
2026 unprotected 1st to the Jazz (swap)
2027 unprotected 1st to the Jazz
2028 unprotected 1st to the Jazz (swap)
2029 unprotected 1st to the Jazz

[JujitsuFlip]

Stories seems to be emerging that JB will be fired and DG will request a trade in the event Mitchell will be retained.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5497268/2024/05/15/cavaliers-donovan-mitchell-darius-garland-jb-bickerstaff-future/?source=user_shared_article

Assuming if Mitchell decides to stay it seems likely DG and Allen will be packaged together to move them off the team...specifically because Garland's contract alone is hard to move.

No way Allen gets traded unless opposing teams give an insane package for him. He was terrific this year and is on a very team friendly contract.

This is the exact time to trade a guy like Allen. Buy low, sell high.

[Iwasawitness]

Stories seems to be emerging that JB will be fired and DG will request a trade in the event Mitchell will be retained.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5497268/2024/05/15/cavaliers-donovan-mitchell-darius-garland-jb-bickerstaff-future/?source=user_shared_article

Assuming if Mitchell decides to stay it seems likely DG and Allen will be packaged together to move them off the team...specifically because Garland's contract alone is hard to move.

No way Allen gets traded unless opposing teams give an insane package for him. He was terrific this year and is on a very team friendly contract.

This is the exact time to trade a guy like Allen. Buy low, sell high.

Nah, screw that. Keep him, he’s too good.

[brackdan70]

I said it in the Garland trade demand thread (if Mitchell is extended). I would trade Allen, Mitchell and Garland. Tell the league we're building around Evan Mobley. He's our franchise guy. The same way Paolo is Orlando's franchise. The way Scottie Barnes is Toronto's franchise. Rip the bandaid off and tell everyone if you're not on Evan's program, you're out.

If you're building around Mobley, you'd be foolish to trade Garland. You won't find a better PG to pair Mobley with.

I think you could maybe find one that plays D a bit better.

[jbk1234]

I said it in the Garland trade demand thread (if Mitchell is extended). I would trade Allen, Mitchell and Garland. Tell the league we're building around Evan Mobley. He's our franchise guy. The same way Paolo is Orlando's franchise. The way Scottie Barnes is Toronto's franchise. Rip the bandaid off and tell everyone if you're not on Evan's program, you're out.

If you're building around Mobley, you'd be foolish to trade Garland. You won't find a better PG to pair Mobley with.

I think you could maybe find one that plays D a bit better.

Garland's improvement to the team''s offensive efficiency more than outweighs his defensive limitations. He also does a lot of little things on the defensive end that help offset his man-on-man limitations.