Philly-Portland-Phoenix-Kings

howiezbt · Post #1 » by **howiezbt** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:00 pm

So this trade works under the cap and is solely dependent on Kevin Durant demanding a trade.

Phoenix Trades: Durant
Phoenix Receives: Jerami Grant, Malcolm Brogdon, Harrison Barnes, 2028 FRP from Philly (LAC), ad a 2030 FRP pick swap with Philly

Philly Trades: 2024 FRP, 2028 FRP, 2030 Pick swap, and a future 2rd
Philly Gets: Durant

Portland Trades: Grant and Brogdon
Portland Gets: 2024 FRP from Philly

Kings Trade: Barnes
Kings Get: Future 2nd from Philly

Suns trade Durant for high level veteran depth and a 1st round pick. This is a great haul if they are forced to trade KD and keeps them in contention.

Philly leverages their huge CAP space and picks to land Durant. Arguably this is an under pay but that is why they have the picks. they may have to add another pick or some pick swaps after 2030.

Portland turns two veterans that they do not need and have high salaries into the #16 pick. Youth movement has taken over Portland as they benched Grant and Brogdon with "injuries" at the end of the season. Portland also gets a nice trade exception in this deal.

Kings have to cut salary to resign Monk and not be a repeater tax team. Trading Barnes for cap space and a pick is the type of deal that is done all the time. Murray has taken over the SF spot anyways, They will also get a big trade exception in this deal as well.

JRoy · Post #2 » by **JRoy** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:01 pm

That’s going to be a pass for POR.

POR values those guys more than a pick in a week draft for both.

Godaddycurse · Post #3 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:02 pm

Too much salary incoming to phoenix. They also owe pick swaps in 2030 to other teams already.

Philly is not getting Durant for 2 1sts and a swap lol

Myth · Post #4 » by **Myth** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:24 pm

I do it for Portland. 16 and pure cap relief is a good deal.

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #5 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:40 pm

Myth wrote:I do it for Portland. 16 and pure cap relief is a good deal.

It's not what the Blazers really need, though. I'd love to know if another team would trade a (protected) future pick for #16. The Blazers don't need another rookie for next year but could definitely use more capital for future trades (or another rookie later).

SNPA · Post #6 » by **SNPA** » Thu May 16, 2024 12:00 am

howiezbt wrote:
Kings have to cut salary to resign Monk and not be a repeater tax team. Trading Barnes for cap space and a pick is the type of deal that is done all the time. Murray has taken over the SF spot anyways, They will also get a big trade exception in this deal as well.

This is not a concern for Sac. They haven’t even been in the luxury tax, repeater tax isn’t an issue.

OxAndFox · Post #7 » by **OxAndFox** » Thu May 16, 2024 12:26 am

Absolutely not for the Kings. It doesn't do anything to cut Barnes' salary. Barnes is still a useful player, despite what the narrative around him is.
A team will have use for a vet like Barnes and if they don't the Kings should keep his salary slot into that final season where it could be the difference, along with Huerter and all the picks/swaps the Kings have along with Keon/maybe even Fox for a superstar trade of all expirings.

Silver Man · Post #8 » by **Silver Man** » Thu May 16, 2024 12:42 am

Barnes certainly isn't some unreal piece but he's quality enough for us not to use as salary shredder.

BoogieTime · Post #9 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu May 16, 2024 2:49 am

SNPA wrote:
howiezbt wrote:
Kings have to cut salary to resign Monk and not be a repeater tax team. Trading Barnes for cap space and a pick is the type of deal that is done all the time. Murray has taken over the SF spot anyways, They will also get a big trade exception in this deal as well.

This is not a concern for Sac. They haven’t even been in the luxury tax, repeater tax isn’t an issue.

It is an issue. Monk will probably get more than the early bird in which case Sac needs a plan to get below cap.

Barnes isn’t needed anyhow

It’s a yes for me - OP trade

SNPA · Post #10 » by **SNPA** » Thu May 16, 2024 3:16 am

BoogieTime wrote:
SNPA wrote:
howiezbt wrote:
Kings have to cut salary to resign Monk and not be a repeater tax team. Trading Barnes for cap space and a pick is the type of deal that is done all the time. Murray has taken over the SF spot anyways, They will also get a big trade exception in this deal as well.

This is not a concern for Sac. They haven’t even been in the luxury tax, repeater tax isn’t an issue.

It is an issue. Monk will probably get more than the early bird in which case Sac needs a plan to get below cap.

Barnes isn’t needed anyhow

It’s a yes for me - OP trade

Get below the cap for what purpose?

Norm2953 · Post #11 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 16, 2024 3:33 am

Myth wrote:I do it for Portland. 16 and pure cap relief is a good deal.

Cao relief doesn't really help Portland due to Portland not being a FA destination

BoogieTime · Post #12 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:23 am

SNPA wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
SNPA wrote:
This is not a concern for Sac. They haven’t even been in the luxury tax, repeater tax isn’t an issue.

It is an issue. Monk will probably get more than the early bird in which case Sac needs a plan to get below cap.

Barnes isn’t needed anyhow

It’s a yes for me - OP trade

Get below the cap for what purpose?

To re-sign the teams emotional leader, Monk, who very well may require more than the early bird as one of the free agency’s best players who aren’t tied to their teams

They at least need a contingency plan for it

SNPA · Post #13 » by **SNPA** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:28 am

BoogieTime wrote:
SNPA wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
It is an issue. Monk will probably get more than the early bird in which case Sac needs a plan to get below cap.

Barnes isn’t needed anyhow

It’s a yes for me - OP trade

Get below the cap for what purpose?

To re-sign the teams emotional leader, Monk, who very well may require more than the early bird as one of the free agency’s best players who aren’t tied to their teams

They at least need a contingency plan for it

Theoretically that’s possible. Practically, no chance. They have to dump so many players into space to get far enough under the cap it’s just not a realistic option.

BoogieTime · Post #14 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:29 am

SNPA wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
SNPA wrote:Get below the cap for what purpose?

To re-sign the teams emotional leader, Monk, who very well may require more than the early bird as one of the free agency’s best players who aren’t tied to their teams

They at least need a contingency plan for it

Theoretically that’s possible. Practically, no chance. They have to dump so many players into space to get far enough under the cap it’s just not a realistic option.

Sure it is. Barnes Huerter Duarte even Davion at that point etc

SNPA · Post #15 » by **SNPA** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:30 am

BoogieTime wrote:
SNPA wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
To re-sign the teams emotional leader, Monk, who very well may require more than the early bird as one of the free agency’s best players who aren’t tied to their teams

They at least need a contingency plan for it

Theoretically that’s possible. Practically, no chance. They have to dump so many players into space to get far enough under the cap it’s just not a realistic option.

Sure it is. Barnes Huerter Duarte etc

All into space. I don’t think that’s enough to sign Monk over what they can offer now.

BoogieTime · Post #16 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:40 am

SNPA wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
SNPA wrote:Theoretically that’s possible. Practically, no chance. They have to dump so many players into space to get far enough under the cap it’s just not a realistic option.

Sure it is. Barnes Huerter Duarte etc

All into space. I don’t think that’s enough to sign Monk over what they can offer now.

I think they can, with some effort, get to his market value which is probably early-mid 20s, if Monk won’t take the discount, just a question of how painful it could be asset wise if these teams need it for the relief.

Barnes would certainly be out in the scenario, and he doesn’t move the needle as a player anymore anyways

cucad8 · Post #17 » by **cucad8** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:45 am

Norm2953 wrote:
Myth wrote:I do it for Portland. 16 and pure cap relief is a good deal.

Cao relief doesn't really help Portland due to Portland not being a FA destination

Tax relief. Flexibility. Gives Portland a 22 and 27-29 million dollar TPE. It's not just to use cap space to sign FAs always. The TPEs could be used to absorb deals to gain assets to help with the rebuild potentially.

DiegoChara · Post #18 » by **DiegoChara** » Thu May 16, 2024 5:56 am

I wouldn’t for Portland. 16 in a bad draft when you already have 7 and 14 doesn’t do much for me.

Case2012 · Post #19 » by **Case2012** » Thu May 16, 2024 7:21 am

Add a couple more seconds and I would do it. Trade Simons, Williams and Ayton for future firsts.

Portland takes Holland at 7, Edey at 14, and Tyler Smith or Da SIlva at 16.

Scoot
Shaedon
Holland
Smith
Edey

Portland needs as many shots in the draft as possible to find stars, since that's the only way they're ever gonna get another one. Mike Schmitz is one of the best scouts in the business and the blazers are years away from anything, so let him cook.

PhillyNj · Post #20 » by **PhillyNj** » Thu May 16, 2024 10:24 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Too much salary incoming to phoenix. They also owe pick swaps in 2030 to other teams already.

Philly is not getting Durant for 2 1sts and a swap lol

Actually, I think the Suns would do it. It’s the Sixers who probably say no.

You are only factoring wins and losses. The fact is the NBA is a business. If trading Durant for cap space saves the Suns (100 million) est. you seriously think their owner says no?
That’s not even factoring in the first round failure.