Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

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[Kobewade11]

Klutch at it again. Im shocked I tell you, shocked.

We can probably safely chalk this to year 11 that we will not engage, draft, trade for any Klutch clients. Look what the Bulls are having to deal with having Ball collecting paychecks on cadaver knees and LaVine being a total ahole. Anyone under Klutch just comes with that Rich Paul control baggage that can ruin franchises quickly on a whim. Kudos to Trae Young for getting away.

Yep. And those familiar with the way Klutch operates know there is always a move before the move. This initial drop from Shams is just to try to sow dissent between player and team. The actual play is to attempt to stir Garland towards a team in need of a guard, now gee I wonder what team that could be

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It really feels like it, and maybe I'm just pessimistic but I just don't see any takers wanting Herro/Duncan/Rozier...And I don't want to sell low on Jovic/Jamie...so what the hell is the move..?

[greg4012]

He's definitely closer to a role player than a star. I still think he is like CJ McCollum, who is a good player, but is too inconsistent to be an all-star.

Miami could probably move Herro for Lavine or DeRozan, but both of those moves have serious downsides/risks. Outside of that, Miami would likely have to move Herro for some combination of role players.

I used to think he had a CJ ceiling but I’m not sure anymore. CJ is likely an all star at some point out East and peak CJ clears Herro so far pretty easily

Perhaps, but I'd just remind everyone that Herro plays on the one of the most pathetically run offenses in the league. It may be one of those cases, like with Glen Rice or Jamal Mashburn, where Herro goes to another team and his output goes up simply because he has a different role and more offensive freedom. That may not be the case, but I am just saying it is possible.

TBH I believe that Herro is playing in a role ready made for a scorer to pop in. Jimmy and Bam both draw attention and are begging to set up for others

[Beenie]

Jeff Teague spitballed a pretty good idea for Atl which is to keep Young and trade Murray to The Pels for Ingram and the #1 pick to Brooklyn for Bridges.

Bridges has now become extremely overrated. Craziest part of it is Brooklyn probably says no, they’re delusional as hell about him after having apparently turning down offers of 4-5 1sts.

Weak draft at the top this year. If I'm them, I’m looking for wings who can compliment Trey.

If Atl managed to upgrade their wings to this degree in exchange for Murray, the pick and filler, they could be a top 4 team in the east.

[oreon]

Klutch at it again. Im shocked I tell you, shocked.

We can probably safely chalk this to year 11 that we will not engage, draft, trade for any Klutch clients. Look what the Bulls are having to deal with having Ball collecting paychecks on cadaver knees and LaVine being a total ahole. Anyone under Klutch just comes with that Rich Paul control baggage that can ruin franchises quickly on a whim. Kudos to Trae Young for getting away.

Yep. And those familiar with the way Klutch operates know there is always a move before the move. This initial drop from Shams is just to try to sow dissent between player and team. The actual play is to attempt to stir Garland towards a team in need of a guard, now gee I wonder what team that could be

This is a 100 % coming from Garland. He sees the tea leaves, Mitchell is gone and no way he wants to get stuck in Cleveland. And every agency does this. This is the playbook when you want to get traded and have years on books. Kyrie, Harden, KD all non Klutch clients have done this. It's no surprise Garland and Mitchell would want out of Cleveland

[carnageta]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Thats an interesting stat. If you take the 30 teams and multiply them times 2 stars then Herro is at the back end of 2nd option salary and paid well for a 3rd option. What is the average salary for a 3rd option I wonder.

The problem with Herro as the 3rd option is that's not the way he plays. He's led this team in shots per game for 3 years running. He averaged 3 more shots per game than anyone else this season. He has a scorers mentality but he doesn't have the game to back it up.

Herro should be an upgraded version of Duncan Robinson, but he wants to be Steph Curry. And putting the ball in his hands just makes things worse.

That's more-so on our personnel and coaching staff. We really don't have anyone else that can get buckets. If we had, for example, a Donovan Mitchell, then Herro would not be leading the team in shot attempts.

[carnageta]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Thats an interesting stat. If you take the 30 teams and multiply them times 2 stars then Herro is at the back end of 2nd option salary and paid well for a 3rd option. What is the average salary for a 3rd option I wonder.

If you add in guys like Gobert or Jaren Jackson Jr that fill other roles other than 3rd option, and are paid more than Herro for different reasons, it probably pushes him into second option pay level.

Gobert is an exception. He's the defensive anchor and is on an existing contract that was signed years ago. When it's time for renewal you can probably be pretty confident he won't get paid near what he's currently making. Herro, once his contract expires in 3 years, will likely be able to receive a similar contract to what he currently makes (assuming no more growth in his game).

JJJ IS the second option on the Grizzlies, behind Morant.

[Flash4thewin]

Klutch at it again. Im shocked I tell you, shocked.

We can probably safely chalk this to year 11 that we will not engage, draft, trade for any Klutch clients. Look what the Bulls are having to deal with having Ball collecting paychecks on cadaver knees and LaVine being a total ahole. Anyone under Klutch just comes with that Rich Paul control baggage that can ruin franchises quickly on a whim. Kudos to Trae Young for getting away.

Yep. And those familiar with the way Klutch operates know there is always a move before the move. This initial drop from Shams is just to try to sow dissent between player and team. The actual play is to attempt to stir Garland towards a team in need of a guard, now gee I wonder what team that could be

I think what we need to remember is that Klutch works for there players not the other way around. So anything being done is done at the direction of the player. Garland probably wants to play in LA all things being equal.

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The 'changes' to the roster this offseason: Heat signs Yakouba Diawara to a 10 day contract.

[Wiltside]

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The 'changes' to the roster this offseason: Heat signs Yakouba Diawara to a 10 day contract.

But we have Yakouba Diawara at home. His name is Haywood Highsmith.

Still can’t believe Spo was starting Diawara over Beasley smfh

[3ammy3uck3ts]

He's definitely closer to a role player than a star. I still think he is like CJ McCollum, who is a good player, but is too inconsistent to be an all-star.

Miami could probably move Herro for Lavine or DeRozan, but both of those moves have serious downsides/risks. Outside of that, Miami would likely have to move Herro for some combination of role players.

I used to think he had a CJ ceiling but I’m not sure anymore. CJ is likely an all star at some point out East and peak CJ clears Herro so far pretty easily

Perhaps, but I'd just remind everyone that Herro plays on the one of the most pathetically run offenses in the league. It may be one of those cases, like with Glen Rice or Jamal Mashburn, where Herro goes to another team and his output goes up simply because he has a different role and more offensive freedom. That may not be the case, but I am just saying it is possible.

Idk if freedom is the issue though, he leads the team in shot attempts and usage

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jeff Teague spitballed a pretty good idea for Atl which is to keep Young and trade Murray to The Pels for Ingram and the #1 pick to Brooklyn for Bridges.

Bridges has now become extremely overrated. Craziest part of it is Brooklyn probably says no, they’re delusional as hell about him after having apparently turning down offers of 4-5 1sts.

Weak draft at the top this year. If I'm them, I’m looking for wings who can compliment Trey.

If Atl managed to upgrade their wings to this degree in exchange for Murray, the pick and filler, they could be a top 4 team in the east.

While it may be weak you still don’t trade the 1st overall pick for a 28 year old role player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Klutch at it again. Im shocked I tell you, shocked.

We can probably safely chalk this to year 11 that we will not engage, draft, trade for any Klutch clients. Look what the Bulls are having to deal with having Ball collecting paychecks on cadaver knees and LaVine being a total ahole. Anyone under Klutch just comes with that Rich Paul control baggage that can ruin franchises quickly on a whim. Kudos to Trae Young for getting away.

Can’t do anything about cooked knees and most recent report I saw on Lavine says he and the bulls have a great relationship but they both know it’s time for a change. Not that I’m taking up for “Klutch” who seemingly runs the league and is the big bad wolf but I don’t see how those 2 guys are controlling the franchise

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Shams reporting growing belief that Mitchell could be open to the extension with the Cavs, would be shocking and a buzzkill but I guess we’ll see. If so gotta go hard after Trae or Dame

At some point you've got to realize you're beaten.

If we can't get Mitchell, and he's definitely worth going all in for - we need to accept the fact that we're done as a contender for the time being.

Going full desperate for the Ingram's/old over the hill Lilard of the world won't do us any good long term. I rather just rebuild and come back stronger and younger in a couple of years.

If were forced into a rebuild there needs to be changes at the top of the organization for completely botching this build and for apparently not being able to work with 20 of the 30 teams in the league and anyone signed to Klutch

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[Beenie]

Bridges has now become extremely overrated. Craziest part of it is Brooklyn probably says no, they’re delusional as hell about him after having apparently turning down offers of 4-5 1sts.

Weak draft at the top this year. If I'm them, I’m looking for wings who can compliment Trey.

If Atl managed to upgrade their wings to this degree in exchange for Murray, the pick and filler, they could be a top 4 team in the east.

While it may be weak you still don’t trade the 1st overall pick for a 28 year old role player.

Why exactly?

If Atl decides that they want to keep Trey and build around him, why not trade for a guy who’s in his athletic prime who is a switchable 3nD player

They don’t need somebody who is gonna be ball dominant playing next to Trey

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Will be interesting to see when the tides turn and the media starts sh**ting all over Miami's assets again. Lowe has always been one of the most impartial and insightful media members. But, soon the mouthpieces will start doing their bidding. May already be seeing it with some of the Mitchell noise