Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[nyk2017]

There is no way Mithell is going to the Nets. He kept his mouth shut a few years ago which resulted in him being shipped to Cleveland. If Cleveland trades him to the Nets, he will make it very clear that he will not be signing an extension with the Nets. He wants to play for the Knicks. He does not want to play for any other team.

[Nazrmohamed]

I don't think Mitchell is the answer. I'm not all set so to speak on improving and have never been against trades but I think the answer is to consolidate Randke and Mitchell in a trade for a star bigman whether it be at PF or C.

[sol537]

I don't think Mitchell is the answer. I'm not all set so to speak on improving and have never been against trades but I think the answer is to consolidate Randke and Mitchell in a trade for a star bigman whether it be at PF or C.

Anthony Davis?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

There is no way Mithell is going to the Nets. He kept his mouth shut a few years ago which resulted in him being shipped to Cleveland. If Cleveland trades him to the Nets, he will make it very clear that he will not be signing an extension with the Nets. He wants to play for the Knicks. He does not want to play for any other team.

It's not about the Knicks, it's about New York, he just wants to be near his mom and his sister. He would play for the Nets, he's good friends with Bridges and spends time with him during the offseason. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think he only wants to be on the Knicks, he wants NY.

[TrueWarrior]

Can the people who wanted to trade for DMitchell admit that if we got him 2 years ago that Jalen wouldn’t be who he is now?

Garland has clearly been stunted by Mitchell for example. Mitchell is better and they should trade Garland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays better somewhere else. Basketball isnt baseball. Chemistry matters way more.

We’re seeing the same with Trae and Dejounte. These are 2 pairings that most people didnt think would work, and not even 2 years later both teams are seemingly trying to break them up and their fans readily admit they arent good together.

Is Jalen better than Garland and Dejounte? Of course, but that doesnt mean he should be paired with Mitchell. Maybe they can be okay if they both sacrifice some things, but then whats the point of spending all the assets it would take to get Mitchell, just to try to get him to be more of some 3/D guy?

There are better use for our assets. I wouldn’t hate getting Donovan for the right price, but its not going to be the right price.

We are much better off staying the course. Bring Isaiah and OG back. Add Julius, Rokas, and another 3/D wing. Wait for a bigger fish.

[Riot Randolph]

Can the people who wanted to trade for DMitchell admit that if we got him 2 years ago that Jalen wouldn’t be who he is now?

Garland has clearly been stunted by Mitchell for example. Mitchell is better and they should trade Garland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays better somewhere else. Basketball isnt baseball. Chemistry matters way more.

We’re seeing the same with Trae and Dejounte. These are 2 pairings that most people didnt think would work, and not even 2 years later both teams are seemingly trying to break them up and their fans readily admit they arent good together.

Is Jalen better than Garland and Dejounte? Of course, but that doesnt mean he should be paired with Mitchell. Maybe they can be okay if they both sacrifice some things, but then whats the point of spending all the assets it would take to get Mitchell, just to try to get him to be more of some 3/D guy?

There are better use for our assets. I wouldn’t hate getting Donovan for the right price, but its not going to be the right price.

We are much better off staying the course. Bring Isaiah and OG back. Add Julius, Rokas, and another 3/D wing. Wait for a bigger fish.

luka and kyrie are working pretty well

[TrueWarrior]

Can the people who wanted to trade for DMitchell admit that if we got him 2 years ago that Jalen wouldn’t be who he is now?

Garland has clearly been stunted by Mitchell for example. Mitchell is better and they should trade Garland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays better somewhere else. Basketball isnt baseball. Chemistry matters way more.

We’re seeing the same with Trae and Dejounte. These are 2 pairings that most people didnt think would work, and not even 2 years later both teams are seemingly trying to break them up and their fans readily admit they arent good together.

Is Jalen better than Garland and Dejounte? Of course, but that doesnt mean he should be paired with Mitchell. Maybe they can be okay if they both sacrifice some things, but then whats the point of spending all the assets it would take to get Mitchell, just to try to get him to be more of some 3/D guy?

There are better use for our assets. I wouldn’t hate getting Donovan for the right price, but its not going to be the right price.

We are much better off staying the course. Bring Isaiah and OG back. Add Julius, Rokas, and another 3/D wing. Wait for a bigger fish.

luka and kyrie are working pretty well

Luka is 6 foot 7. Also they haven’t won anything yet.

With Jalen and Donovan, you’re asking Donovan to defend the best guard on the other team while sacrificing shots and touches on offense. Is that what he wants to do? Or he’s just going to take turns with Jalen, and then run the show in the 10 mpg Jalen is off the floor?

With the new tax aprons it’s not the best use of our cap and assets to tie everything into 2 small guards who overlap and take too much sacrificing to work.

Im not saying it definitely wouldn’t be alright if they really commit, but it’s clearly not ideal to take the ball out of the best player we’ve had in 30 years’ hands right after he breaks out into superstardom.

Jalen wouldn’t be who he is today if Donovan was here. That’s a fact. We could definitely use another creator, but Id rather it be a wing, forward, or big. Thats what Julius is supposed to be.

[3toheadmelo]

donovan and brunson would work fine. donte is a worse defender than donovan or about the same and he's been taking 18 shots a game in this series against the pacers. that's a shot or two less than what donovan takes.

[KnicksGadfly]

I think it has to be acknowledged there aren’t really any real perfect candidates for trades beyond Giannis. Any other available candidate has weaknesses. Even the default of running it back with Randle is risky.

I think the fundamental question is one of ceiling versus sustainability. I hate to say this, but the one guy who might bring us to real contention is Lebron James. KD behind that, Paul George too. Those guys have positional fit with Brunson, all around games, and they also are old as eff. No one knows how long they can stay at their level. KD has gotten rocked by Tatum in the playoffs already.

You have Mitchell too as an SG. He offers more longevity, might not cost Randle, but after I saw what McBride did last night, I think I feel strongly that we need that type of player next to Brunson, someone you can just throw at the star guards, set hard picks, hit threes at high volume with very low usage, and at a lower salary. I don’t think you can count on a forward to do that unless you’re willing to pay lots…OG Anunoby was expensive as eff and even then, he was not the right guy to guard Maxey. Then you allocate resources elsewhere so Brunson has help.

Ingram might be the middle option but he’s not the perfect option either. Still, he’s young enough to improve.

Gonna be an interesting offseason for NYK. Dray is right in that the Knicks do have some chance of getting on the treadmill. The positive side of that is that we have an opportunity to build a real contender. The good thing is that we have a smart FO and we’ve been able to get good role players through smart drafting, signings, trades and development.

[TrueWarrior]

donovan and brunson would work fine. donte is a worse defender than donovan or about the same and he's been taking 18 shots a game in this series against the pacers. that's a shot or two less than what donovan takes.

Just because Donovan is a better player than Donte in a vacuum doesnt mean getting him makes sense roster, cap, and asset wise.

We’ll have like 100+ million a year tied up into Jalen and Donovan alone soon, and thats after giving up a whole lot of assets to get him in the first place.

To me it’s not about Donte vs Donovan, but Julius vs Donovan. Donte is only shooting so much now because Julius, OG, and Bojan are out.

You know I’ve given Julius a lot of sh*t over the years, especially in 21-22 when he was acting a fool, but our squad was elite in January with him and OG. We should, and probably will, see if that was a fluke or for real next season. Julius is an All NBA player who is already on the team. He is the 2nd star people want if he can perform in the playoffs.

I dont think Jalen, Donovan, and Julius would work at all, so unless they reshape their entire games Julius would have to go.

[3toheadmelo]

donovan and brunson would work fine. donte is a worse defender than donovan or about the same and he's been taking 18 shots a game in this series against the pacers. that's a shot or two less than what donovan takes.

Just because Donovan is a better player than Donte in a vacuum doesnt mean getting him makes sense roster, cap, and asset wise.

We’ll have like 100+ million a year tied up into Jalen and Donovan alone soon, and thats after giving up a whole lot of assets to get him in the first place.

To me it’s not about Donte vs Donovan, but Julius vs Donovan. Donte is only shooting so much now because Julius, OG, and Bojan are out.

You know I’ve given Julius a lot of sh*t over the years, especially in 21-22 when he was acting a fool, but our squad was elite in January with him and OG. We should, and probably will, see if that was a fluke or for real next season. I dont think Jalen, Donovan, and Julius would work at all, so Julius would have to go.

we wouldn't have to give them much. probably just deuce, donte, bog and a couple picks.

the knicks planned to create a big 3 of randle, donovan and brunson. they won't try to get rid of randle and nor would the cavs be interested in him.

i am just pointing out that if a weak defender like donte who's gunning for shots next to brunson and is doing well, donovan should be fine. randle has had tons of games where he's taken a back seat to brunson and even let guys like donte cook and played a facilitator role.

knicks are prob gonna run it back anyways so this debate might be moot. i doubt they will want to break up the team any way seeing that we are ecf bound.

[TrueWarrior]

donovan and brunson would work fine. donte is a worse defender than donovan or about the same and he's been taking 18 shots a game in this series against the pacers. that's a shot or two less than what donovan takes.

Just because Donovan is a better player than Donte in a vacuum doesnt mean getting him makes sense roster, cap, and asset wise.

We’ll have like 100+ million a year tied up into Jalen and Donovan alone soon, and thats after giving up a whole lot of assets to get him in the first place.

To me it’s not about Donte vs Donovan, but Julius vs Donovan. Donte is only shooting so much now because Julius, OG, and Bojan are out.

You know I’ve given Julius a lot of sh*t over the years, especially in 21-22 when he was acting a fool, but our squad was elite in January with him and OG. We should, and probably will, see if that was a fluke or for real next season. I dont think Jalen, Donovan, and Julius would work at all, so Julius would have to go.

we wouldn't have to give them much. probably just deuce, donte, bog and a couple picks.

the knicks planned to create a big 3 of randle, donovan and brunson. they won't try to get rid of randle and nor would the cavs be interested in him.

i am just pointing out that if a weak defender like donte who's gunning for shots next to brunson and is doing well, donovan should be fine. randle has had tons of games where he's taken a back seat to brunson and even let guys like donte cook and played a facilitator role.

knicks are prob gonna run it back anyways so this debate might be moot. i doubt they will want to break up the team any way seeing that we are ecf bound.

Why would the Cavs accept that? Unless Donovan demands the Knicks only, which he probably wouldn’t do. He’d gladly go to Brooklyn, Miami, LA or wherever where he can be the man than be 2nd fiddle to Jalen. We always think we’ll get a good deal with our “leverage” and it never happens.

The plans have also changed with how good Jalen turned out. This isnt 2 years ago. Leon obviously got cold feet back then too. He didn’t think Donovan was worth the price, and I doubt that has changed or that we want to minimize Jalen now.

You also keep saying Donte is a weak defender, but you know that just isnt true. He’s average at the very least. Go watch his defense on Maxey game 6 against the Sixers (you said you didnt watch it) and tell me he’s a weak defender. He has been known for defense mostly in his career, but has just been asked to shoot and play more this year.

As you said, I doubt we do anything crazy anyway unless something great really opens up. We arent trading Josh or Donte. Maybe we’ll dangle Deuce, Mitch, Bojan, and some picks but most likely will just see how Julius does back in the fold.

[3toheadmelo]

Just because Donovan is a better player than Donte in a vacuum doesnt mean getting him makes sense roster, cap, and asset wise.

We’ll have like 100+ million a year tied up into Jalen and Donovan alone soon, and thats after giving up a whole lot of assets to get him in the first place.

To me it’s not about Donte vs Donovan, but Julius vs Donovan. Donte is only shooting so much now because Julius, OG, and Bojan are out.

You know I’ve given Julius a lot of sh*t over the years, especially in 21-22 when he was acting a fool, but our squad was elite in January with him and OG. We should, and probably will, see if that was a fluke or for real next season. I dont think Jalen, Donovan, and Julius would work at all, so Julius would have to go.

we wouldn't have to give them much. probably just deuce, donte, bog and a couple picks.

the knicks planned to create a big 3 of randle, donovan and brunson. they won't try to get rid of randle and nor would the cavs be interested in him.

i am just pointing out that if a weak defender like donte who's gunning for shots next to brunson and is doing well, donovan should be fine. randle has had tons of games where he's taken a back seat to brunson and even let guys like donte cook and played a facilitator role.

knicks are prob gonna run it back anyways so this debate might be moot. i doubt they will want to break up the team any way seeing that we are ecf bound.

Why would the Cavs accept that? Unless Donovan demands the Knicks only, which he probably wouldn’t do. He’d gladly go to Brooklyn, Miami, LA or wherever where he can be the man than be 2nd fiddle to Jalen. We always think we’ll get a good deal with our “leverage” and it never happens.

The plans have also changed with how good Jalen turned out. This isnt 2 years ago. Leon obviously got cold feet back then too. He didn’t think Donovan was worth the price, and I doubt that has changed or that we want to minimize Jalen now.

You also keep saying Donte is a weak defender, but you know that just isnt true. He’s average at the very least. Go watch his defense on Maxey game 6 against the Sixers (you said you didnt watch it) and tell me he’s a weak defender. He has been known for defense mostly in his career, but has just been asked to shoot and play more this year.

As you said, I doubt we do anything crazy anyway unless something great really opens up. We arent trading Josh or Donte. Maybe we’ll dangle Deuce, Mitch, Bojan, and some picks but most likely will just see how Julius does back in the fold.

i posted the numbers to you a month ago. we're way better defensively with him off the court than on. he has occassional games where he'll play defense (like donovan mitchell) but he still sucks

knicks defensive rating with donte on the court: 116.83
knicks defensive rating with donte off the court: 108.17

that's a good package for the cavs. no one is going to offer that much more since he's going to be a free agent soon. deuce is a legit good prospect, donte is a nice 6th man and you get picks.

but like i said this is all probably moot anyways. we are gonna run it back and hopefully we are healthy next year.

[The Vo Show]

donovan and brunson would work fine. donte is a worse defender than donovan or about the same and he's been taking 18 shots a game in this series against the pacers. that's a shot or two less than what donovan takes.

Donte only gets that many shots cause Julius isn't here. When Randle comes back, are we really going to expect him to take only 10 shots a game if we bring in Donovan Mitchell? Unless we trade Randle, I don't think we have enough shots (or minutes) for another star player, especially if we want our role players to stay in rhythm.

I'd like to run it back at full health and see what we got. In theory, trading Randle makes a lot of sense but in practice, its hard to replace his production at the PF position. I'd like people to think of the top 5 PF's and tell me who fits better than Randle that we can conceivably get.

[TrueWarrior]

Why would the Cavs accept that? Unless Donovan demands the Knicks only, which he probably wouldn’t do. He’d gladly go to Brooklyn, Miami, LA or wherever where he can be the man than be 2nd fiddle to Jalen. We always think we’ll get a good deal with our “leverage” and it never happens.

The plans have also changed with how good Jalen turned out. This isnt 2 years ago. Leon obviously got cold feet back then too. He didn’t think Donovan was worth the price, and I doubt that has changed or that we want to minimize Jalen now.

You also keep saying Donte is a weak defender, but you know that just isnt true. He’s average at the very least. Go watch his defense on Maxey game 6 against the Sixers (you said you didnt watch it) and tell me he’s a weak defender. He has been known for defense mostly in his career, but has just been asked to shoot and play more this year.

As you said, I doubt we do anything crazy anyway unless something great really opens up. We arent trading Josh or Donte. Maybe we’ll dangle Deuce, Mitch, Bojan, and some picks but most likely will just see how Julius does back in the fold.

i posted the numbers to you a month ago. we're way better defensively with him off the court than on. he has occassional games where he'll play defense (like donovan mitchell) but he still sucks

knicks defensive rating with donte on the court: 116.83
knicks defensive rating with donte off the court: 108.17

that's a good package for the cavs. no one is going to offer that much more since he's going to be a free agent soon. deuce is a legit good prospect, donte is a nice 6th man and you get picks.

but like i said this is all probably moot anyways. we are gonna run it back and hopefully we are healthy next year.

I gave you numbers before too. Where are you getting your numbers from?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2024.html

Basketball reference shows us with a 120 Offensive Rating and 113 Defensive rating per 100 possessions with Donte on the court. His defensive rating is the same as OG and Josh.

Also Donte clearly had among the best advanced stats on our team this season. EPM, BPM, VORP, WS, TS%, etc he is top 5 in all of them. His defensive RAPTOR was always positive when they tracked that and Bucks fans still rave about missing his defense more than anything.

Donte was also top 5 in deflections and top 15 in steals per game this year, while playing under 30 mpg. The dude is averaging a block per game in the playoffs too. He’s expending too much energy on offense now, but when guys return he can settle into more of a 3/D role again.

Anyway, think what you want. Just saying Donte is clearly not a bad defender and he’s going nowhere.

I hope we stay away from Mitchell. Let’s see if your boy Julius can be the 2nd guy we need. He was looking like it before he got hurt. The grass isnt always greener.

[Nazrmohamed]

I don't think Mitchell is the answer. I'm not all set so to speak on improving and have never been against trades but I think the answer is to consolidate Randke and Mitchell in a trade for a star bigman whether it be at PF or C.

Anthony Davis?

Top of my list. And although it's more of a pipedream and a sore subject for Knicks fans. I'd still love to get Joel Embiid. But AD is a top target.

[Nazrmohamed]

There is no way Mithell is going to the Nets. He kept his mouth shut a few years ago which resulted in him being shipped to Cleveland. If Cleveland trades him to the Nets, he will make it very clear that he will not be signing an extension with the Nets. He wants to play for the Knicks. He does not want to play for any other team.

It's not about the Knicks, it's about New York, he just wants to be near his mom and his sister. He would play for the Nets, he's good friends with Bridges and spends time with him during the offseason. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think he only wants to be on the Knicks, he wants NY.

With that goal in mind watch out for Philly too. Obviously further out but he's rich. You can get in the choppa and probably be there in an hr.

[Nazrmohamed]

Can the people who wanted to trade for DMitchell admit that if we got him 2 years ago that Jalen wouldn’t be who he is now?

Garland has clearly been stunted by Mitchell for example. Mitchell is better and they should trade Garland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays better somewhere else. Basketball isnt baseball. Chemistry matters way more.

We’re seeing the same with Trae and Dejounte. These are 2 pairings that most people didnt think would work, and not even 2 years later both teams are seemingly trying to break them up and their fans readily admit they arent good together.

Is Jalen better than Garland and Dejounte? Of course, but that doesnt mean he should be paired with Mitchell. Maybe they can be okay if they both sacrifice some things, but then whats the point of spending all the assets it would take to get Mitchell, just to try to get him to be more of some 3/D guy?

There are better use for our assets. I wouldn’t hate getting Donovan for the right price, but its not going to be the right price.

We are much better off staying the course. Bring Isaiah and OG back. Add Julius, Rokas, and another 3/D wing. Wait for a bigger fish.

luka and kyrie are working pretty well

They do. But ones a SF and the other is a PG. It's sortve the same in the sense that it's still two guys who take turns needing the ball to be effective but it's sortve different when it's two guys in the same backcourt and all they wanna do is dribble the air outta the ball. And yes that's sortve a stab at Jalen who's untouchable right now but it's a flaw mitigated by having 4 other guys who don't do much with the ball except shoot or drive. But idk, it just feels different. Especially considering they're both small. I think thats the other big thing. We be one really small with two guys who don't defend. Cleveland gets away with it because of a defensive twin towers and SFs who while still developing show huge defensive potential.

That's not to say it's not doable. I like Spida and will learn to like it but if I have choices I'd like to explore them and not be overly enticed by his desire to get to a big market.

[JayTWill]

I'm not a big fan of pairing 2 small ball dominant guards with Randle.

On the defensive end it's a terrible grouping. A small poor defensive backcourt that will not only have to guard opposing backcourts but will also have to switch, rotate and close out on much bigger players where they will be completely overmatched many times combined with Randle and his highly inconsistent effort on the defense is a no go for me. OG and the bigs can't solve every defensive issue.

On the offensive end there is only one ball. I'm not sure if Brunson and Mitchell will work together well. Both of them are scoring guards that aren't always great at facilitating. They will take shots away from each other and the rest of the team specifically Randle.

I don't see Julius as a good #3 option with two guards that love to pound the ball. What exactly is Julius supposed to do without the ball in his hands for long periods of time? He is not a floor spacer, roller, cutter, movement, high energy guy or defender. Taking the ball out of his hand takes away the one place he actually impacts the game. Without the ball he is a huge negative unless he completely transforms his game.

The team took off after removing 2 ball dominant guys and replacing them with OG. I'm not looking to re-create a similar situation with 3 guys that love to handle the ball but don't contribute much outside of that.

[3toheadmelo]

Why would the Cavs accept that? Unless Donovan demands the Knicks only, which he probably wouldn’t do. He’d gladly go to Brooklyn, Miami, LA or wherever where he can be the man than be 2nd fiddle to Jalen. We always think we’ll get a good deal with our “leverage” and it never happens.

The plans have also changed with how good Jalen turned out. This isnt 2 years ago. Leon obviously got cold feet back then too. He didn’t think Donovan was worth the price, and I doubt that has changed or that we want to minimize Jalen now.

You also keep saying Donte is a weak defender, but you know that just isnt true. He’s average at the very least. Go watch his defense on Maxey game 6 against the Sixers (you said you didnt watch it) and tell me he’s a weak defender. He has been known for defense mostly in his career, but has just been asked to shoot and play more this year.

As you said, I doubt we do anything crazy anyway unless something great really opens up. We arent trading Josh or Donte. Maybe we’ll dangle Deuce, Mitch, Bojan, and some picks but most likely will just see how Julius does back in the fold.

i posted the numbers to you a month ago. we're way better defensively with him off the court than on. he has occassional games where he'll play defense (like donovan mitchell) but he still sucks

knicks defensive rating with donte on the court: 116.83
knicks defensive rating with donte off the court: 108.17

that's a good package for the cavs. no one is going to offer that much more since he's going to be a free agent soon. deuce is a legit good prospect, donte is a nice 6th man and you get picks.

but like i said this is all probably moot anyways. we are gonna run it back and hopefully we are healthy next year.

I gave you numbers before too. Where are you getting your numbers from?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2024.html

Basketball reference shows us with a 120 Offensive Rating and 113 Defensive rating per 100 possessions with Donte on the court. His defensive rating is the same as OG and Josh.

Also Donte clearly had among the best advanced stats on our team this season. EPM, BPM, VORP, WS, TS%, etc he is top 5 in all of them. His defensive RAPTOR was always positive when they tracked that and Bucks fans still rave about missing his defense more than anything.

Donte was also top 5 in deflections and top 15 in steals per game this year, while playing under 30 mpg. The dude is averaging a block per game in the playoffs too. He’s expending too much energy on offense now, but when guys return he can settle into more of a 3/D role again.

Anyway, think what you want. Just saying Donte is clearly not a bad defender and he’s going nowhere.

I hope we stay away from Mitchell. Let’s see if your boy Julius can be the 2nd guy we need. He was looking like it before he got hurt. The grass isnt always greener.

i'm getting them from here. they get their stats from nba.com
https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612752&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=1628978

and you're not posting what those defensive rating numbers look like with donte OFF the court. so your numbers only tell half the story. please post them.

also these are donte's numbers in the playoffs
knicks defensive rating with donte on the court 126.13.
knicks defensive rating with donte off the court 101.41.

you can be in denial about his defense fam but me and others have pointed out his awful defense all year long. he simply sucks on that end. he gambles a lot on defense which is why he gets a bunch of deflections and steals. that doesn't mean he's a good defender.

if the knicks are standing pat, we should look to promote deuce as the starter over donte. has higher upside and plays on both ends.