Make an offer for Kyle Kuzma

[penbeast0]

On the good side, versatile 6'9 forward who can play either forward spot, can create for both himself and others (22.2 pts, 4.2 ast in 32.6 min last year), fun locker room guy liked by both teammates and coaches, great contract decreasing to less than 20 million a year. On the down side, takes silly heat check shots to bring his TS% down to under league average (.547), loses focus on defense when his offensive role is high usage.

[TGW]

Kuzma + #26 +#51 for H. Barnes (plus filler of Sac's choosing) + #13 + #45

Wizards move up in the draft 13 spots in the first round and 6 spots in the second round, while the Kings get another offensive weapon in their starting lineup.

[Scoot McGroot]

On the good side, versatile 6'9 forward who can play either forward spot, can create for both himself and others (22.2 pts, 4.2 ast in 32.6 min last year), fun locker room guy liked by both teammates and coaches, great contract decreasing to less than 20 million a year. On the down side, takes silly heat check shots to bring his TS% down to under league average (.547), loses focus on defense when his offensive role is high usage.

As jayjaysee pointed out elsewhere, it’s important to remember that Kuzma has a 15% trade kicker, and if traded to a playoff team, it’s much more likely he qualifies for his bonuses (which we still don’t 100% know what they are, but were described solely as “team based incentives”). Sure, Washington would pay the cash for the trade kicker, but a receiving team would have to fit the larger cap number on their cap/tax books.

I would assume his descending contract will remain relatively fine to the market, but may not be as team friendly to an acquiring team as it is to Washington.

[Astaluego]

He fits me in the THUNDER,...he looks a lot like what they were looking for in Hayward...
He gives them size on the wing, he is a good rebounder and can handle the ball, he also gives them another scorer, if he is committed to a winning team, He can also defend himself... he has the physical tools and experience...

Something about Giddey...at first you might think that Josh is more valuable, but his mediocre series against the Mavs where he lost the starting job in the last game, his approaching free agency + Kuzma's declining contract,
I think about any value gap (yes, there is one)...
I also think (I read here) Presti doesn't usually let guys who don't count in the long term, get there...
Kuzma for Giddey...
Maybe the Wizards send some SRP for the salary difference??
I think Giddey would fit very well in the WIZARDS, since he could be a primary ball handler, if as I think/hope they choose Clingan it would be a very good duo... and the WIZARDS could start to have something..

Giddey/Poole/Coulibaly/Avdija/Clingan.

[nate33]

On the good side, versatile 6'9 forward who can play either forward spot, can create for both himself and others (22.2 pts, 4.2 ast in 32.6 min last year), fun locker room guy liked by both teammates and coaches, great contract decreasing to less than 20 million a year. On the down side, takes silly heat check shots to bring his TS% down to under league average (.547), loses focus on defense when his offensive role is high usage.

As jayjaysee pointed out elsewhere, it’s important to remember that Kuzma has a 15% trade kicker, and if traded to a playoff team, it’s much more likely he qualifies for his bonuses (which we still don’t 100% know what they are, but were described solely as “team based incentives”). Sure, Washington would pay the cash for the trade kicker, but a receiving team would have to fit the larger cap number on their cap/tax books.

I would assume his descending contract will remain relatively fine to the market, but may not be as team friendly to an acquiring team as it is to Washington.

It's also worth noting that trade kickers can be waived by the player. I don't know if that comes into play here, but it might if the trade partner offers a situation better for Kuzma than Washington.

[7r5ur]

On the good side, versatile 6'9 forward who can play either forward spot, can create for both himself and others (22.2 pts, 4.2 ast in 32.6 min last year), fun locker room guy liked by both teammates and coaches, great contract decreasing to less than 20 million a year. On the down side, takes silly heat check shots to bring his TS% down to under league average (.547), loses focus on defense when his offensive role is high usage.

As jayjaysee pointed out elsewhere, it’s important to remember that Kuzma has a 15% trade kicker, and if traded to a playoff team, it’s much more likely he qualifies for his bonuses (which we still don’t 100% know what they are, but were described solely as “team based incentives”). Sure, Washington would pay the cash for the trade kicker, but a receiving team would have to fit the larger cap number on their cap/tax books.

I would assume his descending contract will remain relatively fine to the market, but may not be as team friendly to an acquiring team as it is to Washington.

It's also worth noting that trade kickers can be waived by the player. I don't know if that comes into play here, but it might if the trade partner offers a situation better for Kuzma than Washington.

Didn't he turn down a trade to the Mavs this year? Seems like Kuz prefers the situation of being the #1 option over being a piece on a good team, so it seems unlikely he'll give up money AND all those FGA's he gets in Washington.

[nate33]

As jayjaysee pointed out elsewhere, it’s important to remember that Kuzma has a 15% trade kicker, and if traded to a playoff team, it’s much more likely he qualifies for his bonuses (which we still don’t 100% know what they are, but were described solely as “team based incentives”). Sure, Washington would pay the cash for the trade kicker, but a receiving team would have to fit the larger cap number on their cap/tax books.

I would assume his descending contract will remain relatively fine to the market, but may not be as team friendly to an acquiring team as it is to Washington.

It's also worth noting that trade kickers can be waived by the player. I don't know if that comes into play here, but it might if the trade partner offers a situation better for Kuzma than Washington.

Didn't he turn down a trade to the Mavs this year? Seems like Kuz prefers the situation of being the #1 option over being a piece on a good team, so it seems unlikely he'll give up money AND all those FGA's he gets in Washington.

Yes. This is true. Though with the emergence of Avdija, the improved play of Poole, and the addition of the #2 overall pick, his days as a #1 option may be numbered. Also, I think it's natural for a lot of players to be reticent to play with Doncic. No disrespect to Doncic, but not every player can thrive in such a heliocentric offence where they only touch the ball briefly once every 4th possession.

[Scoot McGroot]

On the good side, versatile 6'9 forward who can play either forward spot, can create for both himself and others (22.2 pts, 4.2 ast in 32.6 min last year), fun locker room guy liked by both teammates and coaches, great contract decreasing to less than 20 million a year. On the down side, takes silly heat check shots to bring his TS% down to under league average (.547), loses focus on defense when his offensive role is high usage.

As jayjaysee pointed out elsewhere, it’s important to remember that Kuzma has a 15% trade kicker, and if traded to a playoff team, it’s much more likely he qualifies for his bonuses (which we still don’t 100% know what they are, but were described solely as “team based incentives”). Sure, Washington would pay the cash for the trade kicker, but a receiving team would have to fit the larger cap number on their cap/tax books.

I would assume his descending contract will remain relatively fine to the market, but may not be as team friendly to an acquiring team as it is to Washington.

It's also worth noting that trade kickers can be waived by the player. I don't know if that comes into play here, but it might if the trade partner offers a situation better for Kuzma than Washington.

It can only be chosen by he player to waive a trade kicker if that is necessary to make the trade work legally. If the trade construct would allow Kuzma to get his entire kicker, then he cannot waive it. But also, Kuzma reportedly has liked staying in Washington and being a 1st or 2nd option. I doubt he would waive a trade kicker elsewhere where he’s infinitely like,y to be lower on the totem pole than Washington.

Personally, it seems like he’s got his ring, and now he wants to get his stats and probably his paycheck.

[gswhoops]

Personally I don’t see Kuzma as having a ton of value. He’s a tweener forward who can score a lot of points on below-average efficiency if you put the ball in his hands a lot and don’t care about winning. He’s not a good defender or 3pt shooter so he’s not a good fit as a complementary player. His best role on an actually good team is probably bench scorer, but he makes too much $ to be a bench player.

[nate33]

As jayjaysee pointed out elsewhere, it’s important to remember that Kuzma has a 15% trade kicker, and if traded to a playoff team, it’s much more likely he qualifies for his bonuses (which we still don’t 100% know what they are, but were described solely as “team based incentives”). Sure, Washington would pay the cash for the trade kicker, but a receiving team would have to fit the larger cap number on their cap/tax books.

I would assume his descending contract will remain relatively fine to the market, but may not be as team friendly to an acquiring team as it is to Washington.

It's also worth noting that trade kickers can be waived by the player. I don't know if that comes into play here, but it might if the trade partner offers a situation better for Kuzma than Washington.

It can only be chosen by he player to waive a trade kicker if that is necessary to make the trade work legally. If the trade construct would allow Kuzma to get his entire kicker, then he cannot waive it. But also, Kuzma reportedly has liked staying in Washington and being a 1st or 2nd option. I doubt he would waive a trade kicker elsewhere where he’s infinitely like,y to be lower on the totem pole than Washington.

Personally, it seems like he’s got his ring, and now he wants to get his stats and probably his paycheck.

According to Larry Coon's FAQ, trade kickers can now be waived whenever a player wants. There are no restrictions. But yeah, I think it's unlikely that he would waive a trade kicker.

[nate33]

Personally I don’t see Kuzma as having a ton of value. He’s a tweener forward who can score a lot of points on below-average efficiency if you put the ball in his hands a lot and don’t care about winning. He’s not a good defender or 3pt shooter so he’s not a good fit as a complementary player. His best role on an actually good team is probably bench scorer, but he makes to much $ to be a bench player.

Kuzma is a 41% shooter from the corner 3, 46% from the right corner. He would be so much better as a lower-usage role player. He just takes too many off-the-dribble 3's from above the break.

[Mamba4Goat]

My first instinct was to say “no thanks”.

But…that would be boring. Kuzma for Bojan and the Detroit/Washington “1sts”?

[BlazersBroncos]

Its starting to show that OKC could use another shot creator and assuming Lauri is out of reach (IMO Ainge is going to demand an absurd package) I could see Kuz as a fit. I like Grant there as well but I think his contract length makes it a no-go as they will have to pay 'their guys' sooner than later. Also think the rebounding Kuz brings is much needed - Grant is historically bad at boarding.

I think a Kuz for Giddey + 3 SRP type deal is pretty good for both sides. Dont see Kuz having Giddey + FRP value personally.

[NYG]

If Brooklyn gets Mitchell and keeps Claxton... Kuzma and Holmes for Simmons and a pick or 2?

[nate33]

Its starting to show that OKC could use another shot creator and assuming Lauri is out of reach (IMO Ainge is going to demand an absurd package) I could see Kuz as a fit. I like Grant there as well but I think his contract length makes it a no-go as they will have to pay 'their guys' sooner than later. Also think the rebounding Kuz brings is much needed - Grant is historically bad at boarding.

I think a Kuz for Giddey + 3 SRP type deal is pretty good for both sides. Dont see Kuz having Giddey + FRP value personally.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I'm starting to think that Giddey doesn't really have much trade value. I just don't see how a team can be constructed with him. He needs the ball in his hands, but he's not good enough to break down a defense so he really needs to be paired with another scoring guard/wing who can make plays off the bounce. But when it matters in a playoff game, you will end up taking the ball away from Giddey and giving it to your scoring guard/wing, and Giddey is not a good enough shooter or defender to play him off ball.

People seem to think that Giddey might not fit well in OKC and will do better elsewhere, but I think the OKC situation is about as good as it gets for him. He is surrounded by 4 shooters and is ignored by defenses, but still only manages a TS% of .547. His solid rebounding is mostly just a byproduct of him being one of the tallest guys on the floor for his team. If he was playing a true SF role defensively instead of a PF role, he would pull down fewer boards as well.

Anyhow, sorry to digress, but a Kuzma for Giddey package does not interest me. I'd rather trade Kuzma for some picks.

[brackdan70]

Kuzma is one of the most overrated guys in the league. Empty stats. He has never ever had a positive BPM and makes terrible decisions. He could be suited as a s order of the bench, but if he is starting for you don’t have a very good team. I don’t have him as positive value. I don’t think his contract is good. Maybe I am totally wrong and it’s just the situations he has been in but I would not trade a lotto pick for him.
I don’t have him as higher value than Barnes.

[Texas Chuck]

He rejected Dallas once.
I think its reductive to say non-Luka players only touch the ball every 4 possessions when Luka hasn't just led the league, but lapped the league for 4 years running now in both quantity and quality of looks created for teammates. Playing with Luka makes for easy and plentiful opportunities to score -- and if Kuzma wants an offense to run through him, he should just stay on a bad team. No team is going to give Washington good value to make him a primary option. But he could still score 15-20 ppg with ease.

All that said, I'd do THJ/Powell, 25 1st(top 4 protected) for him. As long as he was okay with coming and he understood his role was to be a high minute 6th man. And I'd remind him that the Mavs have a long history of great 6th men. Tarpley and Detlef and NVE and Jamison and JET --all all-star or near as talents who played major roles, just didn't start.

Thats my offer.

[pipfan]

Kuzma and a 2nd for Ball, JCarter and the #11

I don't like this team, but if the Bulls are going to commit to being mediocre, than this helps

[pcbothwel]

Personally I don’t see Kuzma as having a ton of value. He’s a tweener forward who can score a lot of points on below-average efficiency if you put the ball in his hands a lot and don’t care about winning. He’s not a good defender or 3pt shooter so he’s not a good fit as a complementary player. His best role on an actually good team is probably bench scorer, but he makes too much $ to be a bench player.

Tweener Forward? He is the same size as Siakam, John Collins, and Aaron Gordon. All 4 guys even play moments of small ball 5. They are nowhere NEAR tweener forwards.

Too much money? He makes the same as guys like Grayson Allen, Lu Dort, Duncan Robinson, Norman Powell, Brogdon, Sexton, etc. All Borderline starters/6th men.

[BlazersBroncos]

Its starting to show that OKC could use another shot creator and assuming Lauri is out of reach (IMO Ainge is going to demand an absurd package) I could see Kuz as a fit. I like Grant there as well but I think his contract length makes it a no-go as they will have to pay 'their guys' sooner than later. Also think the rebounding Kuz brings is much needed - Grant is historically bad at boarding.

I think a Kuz for Giddey + 3 SRP type deal is pretty good for both sides. Dont see Kuz having Giddey + FRP value personally.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I'm starting to think that Giddey doesn't really have much trade value. I just don't see how a team can be constructed with him. He needs the ball in his hands, but he's not good enough to break down a defense so he really needs to be paired with another scoring guard/wing who can make plays off the bounce. But when it matters in a playoff game, you will end up taking the ball away from Giddey and giving it to your scoring guard/wing, and Giddey is not a good enough shooter or defender to play him off ball.

People seem to think that Giddey might not fit well in OKC and will do better elsewhere, but I think the OKC situation is about as good as it gets for him. He is surrounded by 4 shooters and is ignored by defenses, but still only manages a TS% of .547. His solid rebounding is mostly just a byproduct of him being one of the tallest guys on the floor for his team. If he was playing a true SF role defensively instead of a PF role, he would pull down fewer boards as well.

Anyhow, sorry to digress, but a Kuzma for Giddey package does not interest me. I'd rather trade Kuzma for some picks.

The fit is poor b/c SGA and Jalen are high usage guys. All of SGA, Jalen and Giddey are best on-ball.

I simply think as a rebuilding team betting on a 21 year old like Josh developing is a quality move. I also think Bilal can play SG so you run a 3-man-lineup at SG /SF / PF of Bilal / Giddey / Deni.

If OKC was really convinced on Kuz I could see Giddey + 12 for Kuz + 26. But I think thats an overpay personally. And I am not convinced Kuz is the type to accept a decline in shots from 18 to like 12.

Deni is not going anywhere but if on the off chance WAS sees Bilal as the SFOTF and takes Risacher, Matas or another F at #2 I would offer Giddey + 12 + MIA FRP 25 + another future FRP for Deni.