CJ McCollum to Dallas w/DET

[babyjax13]

DAL trades: Tim Hardaway Jr., Josh Green, Maxi Kleber, 2025 TOR 2nd, 2028 CHA/LAC 2nd (less favorable), 2028 MIA 2nd
in: CJ McCollum
Dallas reduces their salaries next year enough to resign Derrick Jones. Kyrie is the guy on their team most likely to miss games, they add a great backup for him who can scale up and they don't have to sacrifice their 2025 1st to do it. The defense gets worse, but I think (sorry, don't get mad) that Green and Kleber can be replaced in a credible way with the assets Dallas has.

NOP trades: CJ McCollum
in: Tim Hardaway Jr., Maxi Kleber
This is purely a cap-clearing move. New Orleans gets off of salary and still has some credible depth.

DET trades: nada
in: Josh Green, 2025 TOR 2nd, 2028 CHA/LAC 2nd (less favorable), 2028 MIA 2nd
Detroit gets a wing who can play some defense, hit open shots, and offers some secondary creation. They also add several seconds to grease the wheels of trades.

[Mavrelous]

I think deal still works with Powell instead of Maxi, I prefer it this way.

[babyjax13]

I think deal still works with Powell instead of Maxi, I prefer it this way.

It would. My thought was the additional room under the second apron would be more valuable, but it is hard to figure out the implications of the new cap since we are in transition.

[Mavrelous]

I think deal still works with Powell instead of Maxi, I prefer it this way.

It would. My thought was the additional room under the second apron would be more valuable, but it is hard to figure out the implications of the new cap since we are in transition.

The deal doesn't hard cap DAL at 1st Apron, only at 2nd, Mavs can offer TPMLE 1+1 for DJJ and complete the roster with vet mins.

Gafford/Lively/Maxi
PJ/OMax/Morris for the min
Luka/Exum/<vet min>
DJJ/Hardy/Lawson
Kyrie/CJM/<vet min>

It's very short on wings, but Mavs are screwed with the new CBA, they have no way to add salary, and judging by this year, Mavs need a 30 MPG backup PG who can score more than 2 15 MPG small wings.

[Astaluego]

If CJ was expiration he would do it...but I think he's too expensive (for a 6 man in principle)...I also think the deal is too good for the Pistons...
Green has a neutral/slightly positive value, at worst the cases...in my opinion...
He is a 2-way player who shoots open 3s well and wins +- the MLE...I would look for other deals first, frankly

[jayjaysee]

This is rough because I like CJ and think he’d have a really good impact on the team for 20-24mpg every night and some nights 30+… End up with a really great season and Dallas would love having him..

Considering the OP doesn’t cost an actual first, I think it should be a maybe for Dallas? Can always flip CJ later, right? But I think Dallas passes due to having a bigger need to fill this offseason.

Now if NOP does their deal (I think they’re owed a well protected first?).. there has to be a team that wants CJM a little bit? Orlando, LAL?

[LaSheed]

Yes from Detroit.

[daoneandonly]

This is really putrid. CJ McCOllum makes 30 mil + a year and plays the same position as Dallas' 2 best players, but is a much worse defender. And somehow Dallas is giving up picks for the pleasure.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it here because I firmly believe it to be true. Lou WIlliams nor Jamal Crawford ever made this much money annually, that's who CJ is and that's who he should be paid like.

[BK_2020]

Pelicans are not making a cap clearing move. They won 49 games and were separated from the 4th seed by just 2 wins. Not to mention this "cap clearing move" doesn't save much salary and they already have their full MLE.
*did not see Josh Green going to Detroit. Why would Detroit want this? They have enough second round picks. They want to use their cap for useful players.

[Texas Chuck]

but I think (sorry, don't get mad) that Green and Kleber can be replaced in a credible way with the assets Dallas has.

Talk me through the plan to replace their switchable stretch 5 and their athletic swing man who is a good corner shooter with what assets are left (and the issue of matching salary).

If you want to tell me Green isn't a difference maker, no issues. But he has soaked up a half's worth of minutes a game for 2 years running. If you want to tell me Maxi's health makes him hard to depend on, no issue, but he's a guy the team has leaned on heavily in the playoffs.

They have a combined negative trade value imo. But with limited assets and no matching salary, IDK how Dallas replaces them. So would love your ideas. Because even if they stay, it would be great to have players of similar ability added on the cheap.

[babyjax13]

but I think (sorry, don't get mad) that Green and Kleber can be replaced in a credible way with the assets Dallas has.

Talk me through the plan to replace their switchable stretch 5 and their athletic swing man who is a good corner shooter with what assets are left (and the issue of matching salary).

If you want to tell me Green isn't a difference maker, no issues. But he has soaked up a half's worth of minutes a game for 2 years running. If you want to tell me Maxi's health makes him hard to depend on, no issue, but he's a guy the team has leaned on heavily in the playoffs.

They have a combined negative trade value imo. But with limited assets and no matching salary, IDK how Dallas replaces them. So would love your ideas. Because even if they stay, it would be great to have players of similar ability added on the cheap.

Well, Dallas has their 2025 1st and Powell + Lawson + Hardy as matching salary - that should return someone credible, and Prosper will hopefully be ready for minutes, too.

[jbk1234]

Pelicans are not making a cap clearing move. They won 49 games and were separated from the 4th seed by just 2 wins. Not to mention this "cap clearing move" doesn't save much salary and they already have their full MLE.
*did not see Josh Green going to Detroit. Why would Detroit want this? They have enough second round picks. They want to use their cap for useful players.

They want to extend Murphy this summer. Ingram is on an expiring contract and he wants a max deal. I think they're very open to cost cutting moves. The problem is that when the dust settles, the answer to who's the lead guard can't be Daniels. Not unless you're willing to burn a couple of years of team control on Zion.

[Kalamazoo317]

A young, atheletic wing at a decent cap price, who shoots a solid percentage from three? Why wouldn't Detroit want that for free? We have more cap room than "useful" players to spend it on.

[BK_2020]

Pelicans are not making a cap clearing move. They won 49 games and were separated from the 4th seed by just 2 wins. Not to mention this "cap clearing move" doesn't save much salary and they already have their full MLE.
*did not see Josh Green going to Detroit. Why would Detroit want this? They have enough second round picks. They want to use their cap for useful players.

They want to extend Murphy this summer. Ingram is on an expiring contract and he wants a max deal. I think they're very open to cost cutting moves. The problem is that when the dust settles, the answer to who's the lead guard can't be Daniels. Not unless you're willing to burn a couple of years of team control on Zion.

Yeah but it's clear that Ingram is on his way out so there's no reason to waste a couple of years of team control on Zion by swapping CJ with couple of guys that won't be in their top 8 for minor savings.

[Texas Chuck]

Well, Dallas has their 2025 1st and Powell + Lawson + Hardy as matching salary - that should return someone credible, and Prosper will hopefully be ready for minutes, too.

I think asking Prosper to take on all of Green's minutes is super optimistic for a guy who couldn't establish himself at all.

But okay if they say Prosper plays half the game, which player with Kleber's unique skill set is available for a 1st round pick and makes under $10M?

IDK, doesn't feel easy to me.

Now CJ is an meaningful upgrade over THJ obviously. So they gain something else while losing key depth. Maybe your deal is still overall a good idea.

I just disagree Dallas could easily backfill their roles.

[babyjax13]

Well, Dallas has their 2025 1st and Powell + Lawson + Hardy as matching salary - that should return someone credible, and Prosper will hopefully be ready for minutes, too.

I think asking Prosper to take on all of Green's minutes is super optimistic for a guy who couldn't establish himself at all.

But okay if they say Prosper plays half the game, which player with Kleber's unique skill set is available for a 1st round pick and makes under $10M?

IDK, doesn't feel easy to me.

Now CJ is an meaningful upgrade over THJ obviously. So they gain something else while losing key depth. Maybe your deal is still overall a good idea.

I just disagree Dallas could easily backfill their roles.

They could probably get Larry Nance for filler and some seconds, I think he replicates Maxi pretty well. Powell, Exum, and Hardy adds to the correct salary. Dean Wade would probably be pretty attainable - not quite as good - but he is a switchy power forward who hits open threes.

RE the trade: there would obviously be some sacrifice in terms of depth ('credible' replacements).

[jbk1234]

Pelicans are not making a cap clearing move. They won 49 games and were separated from the 4th seed by just 2 wins. Not to mention this "cap clearing move" doesn't save much salary and they already have their full MLE.
*did not see Josh Green going to Detroit. Why would Detroit want this? They have enough second round picks. They want to use their cap for useful players.

They want to extend Murphy this summer. Ingram is on an expiring contract and he wants a max deal. I think they're very open to cost cutting moves. The problem is that when the dust settles, the answer to who's the lead guard can't be Daniels. Not unless you're willing to burn a couple of years of team control on Zion.

Yeah but it's clear that Ingram is on his way out so there's no reason to waste a couple of years of team control on Zion by swapping CJ with couple of guys that won't be in their top 8 for minor savings.

They could definitely get cap savings from an Ingram trade. The problem is that when you make that a criteria, you limit the market/return as not every team has big ones to send, and those that do may want to adjust value based on the salary commitment they're about to take on (assuming Ingram agrees to an extend and trade with the trade partner). I'm just not a fan of diluting value like that.

I'd rather take a little L on a McCollum trade than a big one on Ingram.

[Texas Chuck]

RE the trade: there would obviously be some sacrifice in terms of depth ('credible' replacements).

Yeah for sure. I'm intrigued by the idea of CJ. I think he's probably too expensive? But Dallas does need another reliable offensive player imo. THJ clearly isn't that and Hardy didn't become that, and while Washington's had some big games, he's not that.

[BK_2020]

They want to extend Murphy this summer. Ingram is on an expiring contract and he wants a max deal. I think they're very open to cost cutting moves. The problem is that when the dust settles, the answer to who's the lead guard can't be Daniels. Not unless you're willing to burn a couple of years of team control on Zion.

Yeah but it's clear that Ingram is on his way out so there's no reason to waste a couple of years of team control on Zion by swapping CJ with couple of guys that won't be in their top 8 for minor savings.

They could definitely get cap savings from an Ingram trade. The problem is that when you make that a criteria, you limit the market/return as not every team has big ones to send, and those that do may want to adjust value based on the salary commitment they're about to take on (assuming Ingram agrees to an extend and trade with the trade partner). I'm just not a fan of diluting value like that.

I'd rather take a little L on a McCollum trade than a big one on Ingram.

What is the Pelicans' urgency to downgrade for salary savings this offseason? They already have the full MLE, they can reinforce their already good team by trading Ingram, using their MLE, and/or resigning Jonas V. Trey Murphy extension won't kick in until the next offseason. CJ isn't a gamechanger but he's the only backcourt scoring option they have and someone who's played very well for them. You are worried that the Pels can't possibly go with Dyson Daniels as their lead guard. Well you don't solve that problem by trading away their actual lead guard for two non-rotation players with no replacement in sight.

[Euphonetiks]

FO made clear that they still value CJ and especially his shooting. He made 23% of our 3's last year. He is very likely back with the Pels for one more year. His salary is not an issue next year as Trey is still cheap and even if we extended Ingram, he would still be $36M next seasn. We still need CJ's shooting more than Kleber/THJ. I think they plan to keep him as a shooter and Room Mom for the locker room with plans to move him next summer as an expiring.