Two Kings Deals (Boston) (Cavs - Portland)

[LightTheBeam]

It's Friday why not go big lol

Trade 1 - if Boston doesn't win and decides it's time to break up Brown/Tatum

Boston out / Kings in: Jaylen Brown
Kings out / Boston in: Sabonis, Sasha

Why for Boston? A lot of the criticism is they don't really run an offense. Lots of 3s and iso ball. Sabonis fixes that as an offensive hub to get everyone easier shots. KP covers his rim protection. Still have plenty of wing offense with Tatum/White.

Trade 2 -

Cavs out: Allen, Niang, 20
Cavs in: Jerami Grant, Jabari Walker, 13, Portland 2025 2nd

Kings out: Barnes, #13, Duarte, 2025 Portland 2nd
Kings in: Allen

Portland out: Grant, Jabari Walker
Portland in: Duarte, Barnes, #20

Why for Cavs? Move away from 2 traditional bigs. Grant fits well. Trade up to #13 and they can use that to upgrade elsewhere.

Why for Portland? Move Grant, get a 1st back.

Why for Kings? Re-work the team entirely. Hope Brown has another step outside Tatum's shadow. Allen locks down the interior.

[Scoot McGroot]

Jaylen can’t be dealt until July 26, so Sacramento would have to be willing to make that Cavs deal with no assurances that they’re dealing Sabonis.

[BK_2020]

23-24 Celtics have the best offensive rating in history, clearing the second best team by full 2.2 points. They don't need an offensive fix. If you or anyone else thinks they don't run an offense that just shows that you can't recognize an action when it's run. I would trade Jaylen Brown to make it easier to retain Derrick White, though. Probably not for Sabonis.

[JRoy]

Pass for POR.

Duarte is worthless, need better FRP.

[LightTheBeam]

23-24 Celtics have the best offensive rating in history, clearing the second best team by full 2.2 points. They don't need an offensive fix. If you or anyone else thinks they don't run an offense that just shows that you can't recognize an action when it's run. I would trade Jaylen Brown to make it easier to retain Derrick White, though. Probably not for Sabonis.

Is that rating worth a whole lot?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-offensive-rating-by-a-team-in-nba-history-in-a-single-season

Look how many teams of this year smashed. This years sixers/Hawks/Warriors made the list of all time.

It's not so much that they can't score, it's that the game change in the post-season and this kinda goes out of the window.

Either way, this was under the stipulation that Boston decides to break up the Tatum/Brown duo because they don't go all the way this year.

[BK_2020]

23-24 Celtics have the best offensive rating in history, clearing the second best team by full 2.2 points. They don't need an offensive fix. If you or anyone else thinks they don't run an offense that just shows that you can't recognize an action when it's run. I would trade Jaylen Brown to make it easier to retain Derrick White, though. Probably not for Sabonis.

Is that rating worth a whole lot?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-offensive-rating-by-a-team-in-nba-history-in-a-single-season

Look how many teams of this year smashed. This years sixers/Hawks/Warriors made the list of all time.

And the Celtics averaged 5 more points per 100 than those teams.

It's not so much that they can't score, it's that the game change in the post-season and this kinda goes out of the window.

Either way, this was under the stipulation that Boston decides to break up the Tatum/Brown duo because they don't go all the way this year.

The Celtics offensive rating in the post-season is 119.5 while missing their second best scorer so no, I don't think how well a team scored over an 82 game season just goes out the window.
I do want to move Jaylen Brown but Sabonis is just not that useful for the Celtics. We already have a star for running the offense through and a second option with massive scoring gravity. Sabonis I guess could step into Horford's spot as backup center but I would prefer to use Brown to get a big wing like Siakam or Jabari Smith who can at least sort of shoot from the three and allow Tatum to play down a spot.

[Myth]

Pretty easy pass for Portland due to the inclusion of Walker, who probably would go #20 in this draft. Guy is pure hustle and started really showing rebounding the last few months as things were starting to click for him. Take him out and this is considered. Take Duarte out too and it is a done deal.

Edit: Portland sees what Cavs are asking and cuts Kings out. They send the 14, and takes back Allen, Niang, and #20 for themselves.

[brackdan70]

Nice for the Kings.
The second trade feels off balance but not sure how to fix it.

The first one has some intrigue. Personally I don’t want to trade Brown and even if the Cs falter, I want to give this core another run or two.
That said I could see Sabonis working well on Boston and him for Brown is not that far off value wise imo.
I didn’t check. Is Boston bringing back less money? Otherwise it’s not CBA legal.

I’d pass from Boston perspective anyway but it is a bit intriguing.

[brackdan70]

I think I’d like the first trade better without Sasha and add a future pick or two. Is that still legal for the Kings?

My guess is the Celtics brass values Brown higher than that even?

[SNPA]

23-24 Celtics have the best offensive rating in history, clearing the second best team by full 2.2 points. They don't need an offensive fix. If you or anyone else thinks they don't run an offense that just shows that you can't recognize an action when it's run. I would trade Jaylen Brown to make it easier to retain Derrick White, though. Probably not for Sabonis.

Is that rating worth a whole lot?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-offensive-rating-by-a-team-in-nba-history-in-a-single-season

Look how many teams of this year smashed. This years sixers/Hawks/Warriors made the list of all time.

And the Celtics averaged 5 more points per 100 than those teams.

It's not so much that they can't score, it's that the game change in the post-season and this kinda goes out of the window.

Either way, this was under the stipulation that Boston decides to break up the Tatum/Brown duo because they don't go all the way this year.

The Celtics offensive rating in the post-season is 119.5 while missing their second best scorer so no, I don't think how well a team scored over an 82 game season just goes out the window.
I do want to move Jaylen Brown but Sabonis is just not that useful for the Celtics. We already have a star for running the offense through and a second option with massive scoring gravity. Sabonis I guess could step into Horford's spot as backup center but I would prefer to use Brown to get a big wing like Siakam or Jabari Smith who can at least sort of shoot from the three and allow Tatum to play down a spot.

Backup center? Jabari? Come on.

Yeah, Boston couldn’t use the league leading triple double, double double, rebounding, screen assists and top ten assist guy. He’d be a backup.

Sabonis for Brown makes a lot of sense if Boston doesn’t win it and decides to make a change. It (could) make both teams better IMO.

[SNPA]

Nice for the Kings.
The second trade feels off balance but not sure how to fix it.

The first one has some intrigue. Personally I don’t want to trade Brown and even if the Cs falter, I want to give this core another run or two.
That said I could see Sabonis working well on Boston and him for Brown is not that far off value wise imo.
I didn’t check. Is Boston bringing back less money? Otherwise it’s not CBA legal.

I’d pass from Boston perspective anyway but it is a bit intriguing.

Brown’s contract is an under discussed part of any Brown deal. Sabonis is on a much better contract.

Brown is the highest paid ever. He is paid as a franchise first option championship caliber, HOF, level player. He isn’t the best player on his own team. He might not be the best player in Sac. His contact shrinks his market a lot IMO. Not many teams are willing to trade for a guy making that coin to be their second option or co-first option, especially if he doesn’t bring championship pedigree.

[BK_2020]

Is that rating worth a whole lot?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-offensive-rating-by-a-team-in-nba-history-in-a-single-season

Look how many teams of this year smashed. This years sixers/Hawks/Warriors made the list of all time.

And the Celtics averaged 5 more points per 100 than those teams.

It's not so much that they can't score, it's that the game change in the post-season and this kinda goes out of the window.

Either way, this was under the stipulation that Boston decides to break up the Tatum/Brown duo because they don't go all the way this year.

The Celtics offensive rating in the post-season is 119.5 while missing their second best scorer so no, I don't think how well a team scored over an 82 game season just goes out the window.
I do want to move Jaylen Brown but Sabonis is just not that useful for the Celtics. We already have a star for running the offense through and a second option with massive scoring gravity. Sabonis I guess could step into Horford's spot as backup center but I would prefer to use Brown to get a big wing like Siakam or Jabari Smith who can at least sort of shoot from the three and allow Tatum to play down a spot.

Backup center? Jabari? Come on.

Yeah, Boston couldn’t use the league leading triple double, double double, rebounding, screen assists and top ten assist guy. He’d be a backup.

Sabonis for Brown makes a lot of sense if Boston doesn’t win it and decides to make a change. It (could) make both teams better IMO.

Sabonis is good but he's not starting over Porzingis.

[bgrep14]

I like this for Cleveland

[toooskies]

Grant has never been a good rebounder and so I like him more as a SF, which the Cavs sort of need.

I might re-trade #13 for a better role player PF, though.

[brackdan70]

Nice for the Kings.
The second trade feels off balance but not sure how to fix it.

The first one has some intrigue. Personally I don’t want to trade Brown and even if the Cs falter, I want to give this core another run or two.
That said I could see Sabonis working well on Boston and him for Brown is not that far off value wise imo.
I didn’t check. Is Boston bringing back less money? Otherwise it’s not CBA legal.

I’d pass from Boston perspective anyway but it is a bit intriguing.

Brown’s contract is an under discussed part of any Brown deal. Sabonis is on a much better contract.

Brown is the highest paid ever. He is paid as a franchise first option championship caliber, HOF, level player. He isn’t the best player on his own team. He might not be the best player in Sac. His contact shrinks his market a lot IMO. Not many teams are willing to trade for a guy making that coin to be their second option or co-first option, especially if he doesn’t bring championship pedigree.

The contract cost is often overstated. Next year he is in a 3 way tie with Booker and Towns for 8th highest player, the year after 9th and then 6th in 2026/27. There will be 3-5 new 35% max contracts signed each year that will exceed Browns deal. It’s likely that next year is the only year he is even a top 15 highest contract. I get it though if a team doesn’t want to pay a max deal to player of Browns caliber, but since it’s a 5 year deal that covers him in his prime it’s not a bad contract at all imo.

I personally wouldn’t do this trade from a Celtics pov but it is interesting and as a hypothetical might be interesting.

[hugepatsfan]

No thanks from the Celtics side. Sabonis is a great talent and player, but I think he’s one of those guys whose skill set fits better on a team trying to make the playoffs vs a team already there looking to go further. Classic floor raiser rather than ceiling raiser.

It sounds great in theory to have someone “creating for others” but most of the high level perimeter scorers are generally more comfortable creating for themselves. Like I get that Tatum has had some issues creating offense (relatively speaking of course) but if you bring in Sabonis to do that now you’re putting the better player in Tatum in positions that don’t match his skill set. He’s not an off ball scorer. And then defensively, Sabonis’ lack of rim protection or ability to guard the perimeter limits your lineup possibilities.

I’m with BK_20 in that if we do trade Brown, I’d prefer a PF type. In this scenario, I’d rather shift value around and get back Jerami Grant (with extra value of course).

[jbk1234]

I just think Allen at $20M has considerably more value than Grant at $30M. Trading up 7 slots in this draft doesn't close it, or come close really.

[jbk1234]

Grant has never been a good rebounder and so I like him more as a SF, which the Cavs sort of need.

I might re-trade #13 for a better role player PF, though.

Pretty sure teams have tried Grant at SF and he just gets cooked there defensively. He's a PF who can protect the rim some and shoot, but a weak rebounder. Overall, a good player who is slightly overpaid ar $30M per.

[SNPA]

And the Celtics averaged 5 more points per 100 than those teams.


The Celtics offensive rating in the post-season is 119.5 while missing their second best scorer so no, I don't think how well a team scored over an 82 game season just goes out the window.
I do want to move Jaylen Brown but Sabonis is just not that useful for the Celtics. We already have a star for running the offense through and a second option with massive scoring gravity. Sabonis I guess could step into Horford's spot as backup center but I would prefer to use Brown to get a big wing like Siakam or Jabari Smith who can at least sort of shoot from the three and allow Tatum to play down a spot.

Backup center? Jabari? Come on.

Yeah, Boston couldn’t use the league leading triple double, double double, rebounding, screen assists and top ten assist guy. He’d be a backup.

Sabonis for Brown makes a lot of sense if Boston doesn’t win it and decides to make a change. It (could) make both teams better IMO.

Sabonis is good but he's not starting over Porzingis.

He should.

But it’s necessary. Zinger is a good fit next to Sabonis. One of the best fits in the league.

[BK_2020]

Backup center? Jabari? Come on.

Yeah, Boston couldn’t use the league leading triple double, double double, rebounding, screen assists and top ten assist guy. He’d be a backup.

Sabonis for Brown makes a lot of sense if Boston doesn’t win it and decides to make a change. It (could) make both teams better IMO.

Sabonis is good but he's not starting over Porzingis.

He should.

But it’s necessary. Zinger is a good fit next to Sabonis. One of the best fits in the league.

Yeah the mythical Sabonis + three-point shooting big. Except it's not mythical. We've seen that pairing in Indy and it sucked.