CJ McCollum to Dallas w/DET

[jayjaysee]

Playing with finger math, this can’t trim enough to give DJJ the MLE. Only saves 3.5-4 million once you fill the roster spots with vet mins..

Dallas still is limited to the taxMLE for DJJ, at which point you don’t add in Maxi and you just do the Powell version.

[jayjaysee]

But what about just pushing Dallas into a deal?

Vandy and Lewis to Dallas
Powell, Russell, THJ to NOP
CJM to LA

Undecided who Dallas owes more value to

Lebron gets a guard. NOP gets expirings. Dallas saves 7 million, enough to give DJJ 10-11 million (ish)

[babyjax13]

They want to extend Murphy this summer. Ingram is on an expiring contract and he wants a max deal. I think they're very open to cost cutting moves. The problem is that when the dust settles, the answer to who's the lead guard can't be Daniels. Not unless you're willing to burn a couple of years of team control on Zion.

Yeah but it's clear that Ingram is on his way out so there's no reason to waste a couple of years of team control on Zion by swapping CJ with couple of guys that won't be in their top 8 for minor savings.

They could definitely get cap savings from an Ingram trade. The problem is that when you make that a criteria, you limit the market/return as not every team has big ones to send, and those that do may want to adjust value based on the salary commitment they're about to take on (assuming Ingram agrees to an extend and trade with the trade partner). I'm just not a fan of diluting value like that.

I'd rather take a little L on a McCollum trade than a big one on Ingram.

This was my thought, too. It also looks like the most likely return for Ingram is a point guard.

[Snakebites]

This looks and feels like a fairly straightforward "yes" for Detroit.

[DetroitDon15]

This looks and feels like a fairly straightforward "yes" for Detroit.

This is the type of deal that I feel Detroit should be involved. My fear is management will go Full Gores and give a top 20 pick for Green straight up in this deal with no seconds coming back.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'm honestly not sure why we're getting paid to take the contract in this. Is the perception that he's overpaid? Seems like a guy we could reasonably throw a second to get or maybe swap seconds or something (pretty sure to be legal we need to send something back anyway).

[vege]

Detroit could probably sign DJJr for 3/41 and he is a far superior player than Josh Green.

Green is a subpar defender and an ok shooter, he is not terrible, but there are better options for that money. If not DJJr, Naji Marshall likely could be had for 3/41. There are no top free agent to be signed this offseason, but there are a ton of decent wingers that will need a new home because their team don't have money/room to keep them for the MLE or similar money.

One likely good 2nd and 2 terribles doesn't change anything for me.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm honestly not sure why we're getting paid to take the contract in this. Is the perception that he's overpaid?

So I'm one of few Mavs fans here who like Green at all, and I think I probably like him more than anyone? And I would still say he's overpaid based on what's he shown. He has some ability, but he's inconsistent and hasn't really established exactly what role he can fill other than energy guy. And energy guy should cost a lot less.

Now he's had an inconsistent role under Kidd and when due to injuries/rotations hes' gotten a bigger bite, he's actually performed pretty well. So going to a team like Detroit might really give him a chance to blossom. But on this board where I am trying to guess at values, I'd have him at a small negative I think.

I don't want to move him at a negative, I'd rather just use THJ's expiring at that point. But jay makes some good financial points about moving Green and plenty of Mavs posters few him as Grant Williams 2.0 a guy they are willing to take a loss on just to dump him. But most of those posters also hate Maxi Kleber, and hated Dwight Powell when he was a productive rotation guy.

[jayjaysee]

Detroit could probably sign DJJr for 3/41 and he is a far superior player than Josh Green.

Green is a subpar defender and an ok shooter, he is not terrible, but there are better options for that money. If not DJJr, Naji Marshall likely could be had for 3/41. There are no top free agent to be signed this offseason, but there are a ton of decent wingers that will need a new home because their team don't have money/room to keep them for the MLE or similar money.

One likely good 2nd and 2 terribles doesn't change anything for me.

Detroit going to sign 4 guys to 3/41 million dollar contracts? Or is it 6 guys?

I don’t mind if that’s the plan. But they have to spend the money either way now.. the floor is 90%..

[daoneandonly]

I'm honestly not sure why we're getting paid to take the contract in this. Is the perception that he's overpaid?

So I'm one of few Mavs fans here who like Green at all, and I think I probably like him more than anyone? And I would still say he's overpaid based on what's he shown. He has some ability, but he's inconsistent and hasn't really established exactly what role he can fill other than energy guy. And energy guy should cost a lot less.

Now he's had an inconsistent role under Kidd and when due to injuries/rotations hes' gotten a bigger bite, he's actually performed pretty well. So going to a team like Detroit might really give him a chance to blossom. But on this board where I am trying to guess at values, I'd have him at a small negative I think.

I don't want to move him at a negative, I'd rather just use THJ's expiring at that point. But jay makes some good financial points about moving Green and plenty of Mavs posters few him as Grant Williams 2.0 a guy they are willing to take a loss on just to dump him. But most of those posters also hate Maxi Kleber, and hated Dwight Powell when he was a productive rotation guy.

Most, but not all

[jayjaysee]

Chuck giving up on Powell is the end of an era. Threads can’t survive that sadness..

[Texas Chuck]

Chuck giving up on Powell is the end of an era. Threads can’t survive that sadness..

I haven't given up on him actually lol. I mean he doesn't protect the rim like the other two guys so he shouldn't be playing. They are big improvements over him defensively and frankly Gafford is a better rim runner as well. But do I still think Dwight Powell could give you 18 mpg in the regular season and you'd feel okay about it? Yeah. Because he's a good offensive player and he competes hard defensively even with his limitations.

There just is no reason for him to play in Dallas with the other 3 center options in house. But if I were a team drafting one of these talented rookie centers, I would love Dwight Powell to be my 3rd center. Because Powell is going to badly outwork the rookie in practice, be more effective than him most nights in the games and so the coach can selectively bench the kid for Powell and say look when you can beat out this journeyman with limited skills, you deserve to play. IF you can't beat this guy out, you aren't who we think you are.

Meanwhile Powell will be pulling that kid aside, teaching him everything he knows, being the first guy off the bench cheering for him and coaching him in game, and building him up.

Solid player, fabulous human being, perfect veteran to have around your young players. The exact example you want. There is a reason Dwight Powell plays a key role in the NBAPA despite being neither a star nor friend of Lebron.

[BeiBeau]

Chuck giving up on Powell is the end of an era. Threads can’t survive that sadness..

I haven't given up on him actually lol. I mean he doesn't protect the rim like the other two guys so he shouldn't be playing. They are big improvements over him defensively and frankly Gafford is a better rim runner as well. But do I still think Dwight Powell could give you 18 mpg in the regular season and you'd feel okay about it? Yeah. Because he's a good offensive player and he competes hard defensively even with his limitations.

There just is no reason for him to play in Dallas with the other 3 center options in house. But if I were a team drafting one of these talented rookie centers, I would love Dwight Powell to be my 3rd center. Because Powell is going to badly outwork the rookie in practice, be more effective than him most nights in the games and so the coach can selectively bench the kid for Powell and say look when you can beat out this journeyman with limited skills, you deserve to play. IF you can't beat this guy out, you aren't who we think you are.

Meanwhile Powell will be pulling that kid aside, teaching him everything he knows, being the first guy off the bench cheering for him and coaching him in game, and building him up.

Solid player, fabulous human being, perfect veteran to have around your young players. The exact example you want. There is a reason Dwight Powell plays a key role in the NBAPA despite being neither a star nor friend of Lebron.

There are easily a dozen+ teams in the league where Dwight would get some consistent burn in the RS.

To all those Mavs fans who make it their personality to hate Powell, I’m sorry, I’m sorry that he consistently out preformed Christian Wood and Javale McGee. I’m sorry he consistently out preformed Willie Cauley-Stein and Boban Marianovic. It’s not his fault that he consistently did more to help the team win than the guys who were brought in to replace him. It’s not his fault that he’s like the 45th best center in the NBA and Dallas started him for years because they couldn’t find a replacement. It’s not Dwight’s fault that his skill set did not line up with the needs of the team.

[vege]

Detroit could probably sign DJJr for 3/41 and he is a far superior player than Josh Green.

Green is a subpar defender and an ok shooter, he is not terrible, but there are better options for that money. If not DJJr, Naji Marshall likely could be had for 3/41. There are no top free agent to be signed this offseason, but there are a ton of decent wingers that will need a new home because their team don't have money/room to keep them for the MLE or similar money.

One likely good 2nd and 2 terribles doesn't change anything for me.

Detroit going to sign 4 guys to 3/41 million dollar contracts? Or is it 6 guys?

I don’t mind if that’s the plan. But they have to spend the money either way now.. the floor is 90%..

We need more than that, but getting 4 NBA caliber wings would be a start for us to get more than 20 wins next season.

But you know we don't need to sign 3/41 guys with all our cap space right? We can sign DJJr and Naji Marshall and trade for DeJounte Murray for example, and then sign Tibias Harris or someone else.

There are better options than Josh Green. He is an end of rotation player and is being paid almost MLE money, that's not good and 2nds are not going to do anything for Detroit.

[Laimbeer]

Green is not a terrible contract, but it's too much for the role he plays. He'll clog your cap space for three years. Detroit should have higher sights for their cap space. If nothing materializes you can punt on it for a year with similar players. But locking into that deal is a mistake.

[daoneandonly]

Man bjax, what did the Mavs ever do to you?

Here you have them taking on one of the worst contracts in the association. Another you had them giving up picks for Ayo and 2 barely playable guys

[Laimbeer]

Dallas gets McCollum for Hardaway at the expense of Detroit and the Pelicans

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[Kalamazoo317]

Sounds like we should be asking for Powell instead of a 2nd. We could use a viable vet center to push Duren/whoever we bring in.