Trade offers for Darius Garland?

[Texas Chuck]

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Assuming there are reasonable deals that make sense for Cleveland, I assume Garland is moved if Mitchell returns.

This is so weird to me
Guess they don't get along behind the scenes?

I strongly suspect they're trying to get him to L.A. where he can blossom as the next Lakers star, without having to share the ball with Mitchell, and LBJ could come back to Cleveland without having to take much, if any, of a paycut.

This is bizarre because when I mentioned this as being the obvious play you absolutely killed me for it. Like 3 days ago or something lol.

[jbk1234]

This is so weird to me
Guess they don't get along behind the scenes?

I strongly suspect they're trying to get him to L.A. where he can blossom as the next Lakers star, without having to share the ball with Mitchell, and LBJ could come back to Cleveland without having to take much, if any, of a paycut.

This is bizarre because when I mentioned this as being the obvious play you absolutely killed me for it. Like 3 days ago or something lol.

I'm talking about Klutch's motivations here, not the Cavs.

[jayjaysee]

If it’s LBJ/Klutch.. doesn’t it make a lot more sense for it to be the “Mitchell/Trae offer” (everything LAL has) versus LBJ?

LAL gets Garland, LBJ, AD. By default they’d be keeping one of Vandy/Rui and one of Reaves/Rui.. So they’d be able to finish the starting line up and use the tax MLE…

Cleveland finds the third team to bet against the 2029-2031 lakers?

Or do we not think Garland is worth those picks? (I do)

[Texas Chuck]

I strongly suspect they're trying to get him to L.A. where he can blossom as the next Lakers star, without having to share the ball with Mitchell, and LBJ could come back to Cleveland without having to take much, if any, of a paycut.

This is bizarre because when I mentioned this as being the obvious play you absolutely killed me for it. Like 3 days ago or something lol.

I'm talking about Klutch's motivations here, not the Cavs.

Yeah and I don't think Lebron wants to go back to Cleveland, I think their motivations here are strictly about Garland. And of course I think Cleveland should be thrilled if they could swap the two (I know you feel strongly the other way and I'm certainly not trying to talk you into something you hate).

But an agency has to be loyal to each client, not just Lebron. And I don't think they are trying to manipulate Garland to accommodate Lebron. I'd have it much more likely if they were trying to steer him to LA, they would be doing so for him to help Lebron/AD.

[Texas Chuck]

Has anyone done Garland to the Clippers for a S&T Paul George? If its true the Clippers don't want to give him a max, would Cleveland? He would fit perfectly and surely entices Mitchell. Now you probably don't love the last year of that deal, but so what right? Would PG leave LA for money and a perfect team? LA gets the PG they've been needing and get a younger foundational piece.

IDK, seems like something right?

[Texas Chuck]

Gonna keep listing alt Garland spots I think lol.

Kuzma and Deni. Poole is a sunk cost, not worrying about fit with him. Just getting a more talented, locked up young guy to grow with. Cleveland in the meantime adds two pieces that really fit well and have LeVert's contract to go get a defensive guard who can shoot to put next to Mitchell.

[jayjaysee]

Copying off of Chuck’s idea if it was a good one for LAC? If not, it’s Chuck’s fault.

Wiggins and Kuminga (and whatever other value they are owed) to Cleveland
Garland and Looney to Ballmer’s checkbook
Paul George to Golden State

Cleveland has a year under the tax, then trades Allen and builds around Mobley/Kuminga/Wiggins/Struss/Mitchell or trades Wiggins and keeps Allen. Or keeps both and Gilbert gets to do his best Ballmer impression... Get to use the MLE one last time this offseason and have a really good top 8-9 locked up before entering the tax for a 3-? year run. Or til Mitchell declines. Whatever you want.

Curry gets one of the best Robins in the league for the last 3 years. Cause he deserves it.

[B Mac]

As I mentioned in another thread Garland,Ty Jerome for KAT could work and get the Wolves almost completely out of the tax. It would then be down to the Cavs trading one of Mobley or Allen for a 3.

If Pel's keep Ingram, trade Allen for Herb

Mitchell
Struss
Herb
Towns
Mobley

I like the fit a lot better and think they could compete in the East.

Pels, and likely the vast majority of teams, would value Herb over Allen. With Herb’s improved perimeter shooting and elite on-ball defense, he’s a very good pairing with Zion. I don’t see a path where we would trade Herb for a rim-runner/rim-protector big.

I haven’t posted or even visited RealGM in several years, but I got bored tonight and curious about the viewpoint of other fan bases, since I spend most of my time on a Cavs centered forum these days. However, this post caught my eye enough for me to login and reply.

The Pelicans have been heavily chasing after Allen for a while. I’m not sure if the Cavs will call New Orlean’s back to rediscuss the Pels offer this offseason, but if so, I think you may be surprised at the value NO has on Allen.

[Godaddycurse]

Copying off of Chuck’s idea if it was a good one for LAC? If not, it’s Chuck’s fault.

Wiggins and Kuminga (and whatever other value they are owed) to Cleveland
Garland and Looney to Ballmer’s checkbook
Paul George to Golden State

Cleveland has a year under the tax, then trades Allen and builds around Mobley/Kuminga/Wiggins/Struss/Mitchell or trades Wiggins and keeps Allen. Or keeps both and Gilbert gets to do his best Ballmer impression... Get to use the MLE one last time this offseason and have a really good top 8-9 locked up before entering the tax for a 3-? year run. Or til Mitchell declines. Whatever you want.

Curry gets one of the best Robins in the league for the last 3 years. Cause he deserves it.

Isnt clippers in 2nd apron so they can't take back contracts in a sign and trade

[Godaddycurse]

Has anyone done Garland to the Clippers for a S&T Paul George? If its true the Clippers don't want to give him a max, would Cleveland? He would fit perfectly and surely entices Mitchell. Now you probably don't love the last year of that deal, but so what right? Would PG leave LA for money and a perfect team? LA gets the PG they've been needing and get a younger foundational piece.

IDK, seems like something right?

2nd apron teams cant accept contracts back in a sign and trade deal

[Smooth32]

If the Spurs would include Vassell or the Rockets would include draft equity and Eason with FVV, those feel like two realistic landing spots on top of the most obvious being NOLA.

If Cavs get Ingram for Allen, Garland to Washington for Deni and Kuzma is interesting.

A simple 3-way with fillers added:

Ingram to ATL
Garland to NOLA
Murray to CLE

[JustBuzzin]

LaMelo for Garland straight up who says no?

[jayjaysee]

Copying off of Chuck’s idea if it was a good one for LAC? If not, it’s Chuck’s fault.

Wiggins and Kuminga (and whatever other value they are owed) to Cleveland
Garland and Looney to Ballmer’s checkbook
Paul George to Golden State

Cleveland has a year under the tax, then trades Allen and builds around Mobley/Kuminga/Wiggins/Struss/Mitchell or trades Wiggins and keeps Allen. Or keeps both and Gilbert gets to do his best Ballmer impression... Get to use the MLE one last time this offseason and have a really good top 8-9 locked up before entering the tax for a 3-? year run. Or til Mitchell declines. Whatever you want.

Curry gets one of the best Robins in the league for the last 3 years. Cause he deserves it.

Isnt clippers in 2nd apron so they can't take back contracts in a sign and trade

Always forget about that one.

If you’re losing Paul George, maybe it’s time to drop below the second apron though? Dump Powell and pay Harden and slide under?

Definitely complicates it.

Like I said, Chuck’s idea..

[JKiddy]

To answer OP's question, I think the Nets make the most sense. Something along the lines of CamJo and all of the PHX picks that BRK has for Garland make sense. CamJo's shooting will augment Mitchell/Mobley nicely. Allen too, unless they trade him-which they should for a good wing to pair with Mtichell.

I wouldn’t do that if I’m Brooklyn.

The Suns 1sts are reserved for superstars exclusively.

I agree. Further, the Nets have no use for Garland. We have Cam Thomas who is likely a better player than he next season. Further, neither Cam Thomas nor Garland play defense that well. We cannot have that in our back court.

[mcfly1204]

To answer OP's question, I think the Nets make the most sense. Something along the lines of CamJo and all of the PHX picks that BRK has for Garland make sense. CamJo's shooting will augment Mitchell/Mobley nicely. Allen too, unless they trade him-which they should for a good wing to pair with Mtichell.

I wouldn’t do that if I’m Brooklyn.

The Suns 1sts are reserved for superstars exclusively.

I agree. Further, the Nets have no use for Garland. We have Cam Thomas who is likely a better player than he next season. Further, neither Cam Thomas nor Garland play defense that well. We cannot have that in our back court.

Cam Thomas and Garland are completely different players...

[ejftw]

Has anyone done Garland to the Clippers for a S&T Paul George? If its true the Clippers don't want to give him a max, would Cleveland? He would fit perfectly and surely entices Mitchell. Now you probably don't love the last year of that deal, but so what right? Would PG leave LA for money and a perfect team? LA gets the PG they've been needing and get a younger foundational piece.

IDK, seems like something right?

Thought I posted it last night but must have forgot to hit submit

Would have to be an opt in and trade though due to the new CBA and the second apron, and Cleveland would need to include Wade or Niang, if I'm not mistaken.

With two follow ups of Brown for Jerome and Hyland (or Coffey) for Merrill and Clips giving up whatever swaps / swap swaps are available.

A Garland/Harden/Westbrook guard trio would be quite hilarious too.

[psman2]

Copying off of Chuck’s idea if it was a good one for LAC? If not, it’s Chuck’s fault.

Wiggins and Kuminga (and whatever other value they are owed) to Cleveland
Garland and Looney to Ballmer’s checkbook
Paul George to Golden State

Cleveland has a year under the tax, then trades Allen and builds around Mobley/Kuminga/Wiggins/Struss/Mitchell or trades Wiggins and keeps Allen. Or keeps both and Gilbert gets to do his best Ballmer impression... Get to use the MLE one last time this offseason and have a really good top 8-9 locked up before entering the tax for a 3-? year run. Or til Mitchell declines. Whatever you want.

Curry gets one of the best Robins in the league for the last 3 years. Cause he deserves it.

Isnt clippers in 2nd apron so they can't take back contracts in a sign and trade

This rule hasn't stuck in my head yet. Good catch.

[Smooth32]

Given Minnesota is going to be a second apron team next year and Reid's ascension, do the T'Wolves entertain something like:

Darius Garland
Dean Wade

for

KAT

Saves Minnesota $7M in cap space while distributing KAT's salary into savings (used in free agency), a viable backup forward (allowing Naz to step into the starting role), and a future PG to pair with Ant (while Conley's salary is still a very affordable 3rd guard)..

Garland, Ant, McDaniels, Reid, Gobert with Conley, NAW, Wade, FA and first round pick sounds a little more sustainable yet still balanced, no?

For the Cavs, KAT and Mobley would be an ideal pairing and allows them to ship Allen off for a wing to build around Mitchell.

[Euphonetiks]

If Pel's keep Ingram, trade Allen for Herb

Mitchell
Struss
Herb
Towns
Mobley

I like the fit a lot better and think they could compete in the East.

Pels, and likely the vast majority of teams, would value Herb over Allen. With Herb’s improved perimeter shooting and elite on-ball defense, he’s a very good pairing with Zion. I don’t see a path where we would trade Herb for a rim-runner/rim-protector big.

I haven’t posted or even visited RealGM in several years, but I got bored tonight and curious about the viewpoint of other fan bases, since I spend most of my time on a Cavs centered forum these days. However, this post caught my eye enough for me to login and reply.

The Pelicans have been heavily chasing after Allen for a while. I’m not sure if the Cavs will call New Orlean’s back to rediscuss the Pels offer this offseason, but if so, I think you may be surprised at the value NO has on Allen.

Pels heavily chased Allen by offering Jonas’ expiring and picks, not Herb or Trey or Zion or Ingram. You think I may be surprised at the value of Allen and I think you may be surprised at the value of Ingram.

[B Mac]

Pels, and likely the vast majority of teams, would value Herb over Allen. With Herb’s improved perimeter shooting and elite on-ball defense, he’s a very good pairing with Zion. I don’t see a path where we would trade Herb for a rim-runner/rim-protector big.

I haven’t posted or even visited RealGM in several years, but I got bored tonight and curious about the viewpoint of other fan bases, since I spend most of my time on a Cavs centered forum these days. However, this post caught my eye enough for me to login and reply.

The Pelicans have been heavily chasing after Allen for a while. I’m not sure if the Cavs will call New Orlean’s back to rediscuss the Pels offer this offseason, but if so, I think you may be surprised at the value NO has on Allen.

Pels heavily chased Allen by offering Jonas’ expiring and picks, not Herb or Trey or Zion or Ingram. You think I may be surprised at the value of Allen and I think you may be surprised at the value of Ingram.

Yes to expiring and picks but no to Jonas being the headliner. We’ll see if the Cavs change their mind now or if a different deal pops up instead, but they weren’t interested at the time.

Not sure what else to even say on it. I didn’t decide to post for the first time in years without being aware of what I was talking about.