Joel Embiid Hypothetical Trade Thread

[eyeatoma]

I would trade him for Booker in a heartbeat.

Watch us be a 35-40 win team max. Especially with no picks.

With Booker and Maxey spearheading the team, all of the role player acquisitions people are talking about start making sense. It makes sense to focus on role players when the appropriate engine of the team has been put in place.

You're still capped, because the best player on your team is a top 15, maybe a top 10 player in the next 2-3 years. By the time Maxey may crack top 10, Booker is too old.

You need a top 5 player to compete for a title. The Celtics have no shot against the Nuggets if they make the finals. Would be close against the Wolves though, but you're not getting a team like the Celtics after the new CBA.

[Stanford]

I would trade him for Booker in a heartbeat.

Come on, bro

[Jailblazers7]

Maybe if Maxey busted an Embiid trade would be on the table, but the Sixers now have potentially two top 15 players after enduring the Simmons saga where they thought that was the case. NBA franchises don't just throw that away easily, especially in a market like Philly.

The best running back in the NFL might be a top player in the league as well, but he’s not getting anything done for you in the playoffs, where he’s very likely to get dominated by the best opposing quarterbacks in the league. Embiid versus Brunson (and Tatum, and Young, and Butler…) in a nutshell.

If you had the best running back in the NFL, would you trade him for one of the best quarterbacks?

Not even a good analogy. Embiid is more equivalent to a top defensive end. He can totally own a game but teams can do a lot to neutralize him by sending double teams & scheming for him.

[Ferry Avenue]

Maybe if Maxey busted an Embiid trade would be on the table, but the Sixers now have potentially two top 15 players after enduring the Simmons saga where they thought that was the case. NBA franchises don't just throw that away easily, especially in a market like Philly.

The best running back in the NFL might be a top player in the league as well, but he’s not getting anything done for you in the playoffs, where he’s very likely to get dominated by the best opposing quarterbacks in the league. Embiid versus Brunson (and Tatum, and Young, and Butler…) in a nutshell.

If you had the best running back in the NFL, would you trade him for one of the best quarterbacks?

Not even a good analogy. Embiid is more equivalent to a top defensive end. He can totally own a game but teams can do a lot to neutralize him by sending double teams & scheming for him.

OK so let's go with that one then -- would you trade a top defensive end for a top quarterback?

[Jailblazers7]

The best running back in the NFL might be a top player in the league as well, but he’s not getting anything done for you in the playoffs, where he’s very likely to get dominated by the best opposing quarterbacks in the league. Embiid versus Brunson (and Tatum, and Young, and Butler…) in a nutshell.

If you had the best running back in the NFL, would you trade him for one of the best quarterbacks?

Not even a good analogy. Embiid is more equivalent to a top defensive end. He can totally own a game but teams can do a lot to neutralize him by sending double teams & scheming for him.

OK so let's go with that one then -- would you trade a top defensive end for a top quarterback?

Define top. For Mahomes, Allen, etc? Yeah obviously.

But trading Embiid for Booker is the NBA equivalent of trading TJ Watt for Dak Prescott.

[sixerguy]

Embiid's position as a center, age and injury history makes his actual value difficult to really pin down IMO.

yeah he's a MVP level talent and is locked down on his contract too. No brainer right? But the above means he doesn't really fit into a lot of teams current or even short term timeline. Dallas for example would love to have Biid but trading him for Lively doesn't really do much for us does it? The OKC stuff is a pipedream as they will want to keep Chet and JDub in most deals as Biid is a final piece WITH them..they aren't going to rush their rebuild by giving up on that future.

So yeah its a moot point atm. Despite it all our best chance at a chip is still with Biid IMO..even if its much lower than it has been.

Teams' that could realistically trade for Embiid, keep their team's intact, and benefit the Sixers.

OKC - Chet/Jalen Williams and picks
Cavs - Garland/Jarret Allen/Mobley and picks
Heat - Bam/Herro/Jaime Jasquez/Jovic and Picks
Hawks - Trae Young/Jalen Johnson and picks probably would be Murray instead of Trae
Hornets - Miles Bridges/Brandon Miller/Mark Williams and picks
Wolves - Towns/Gobert/McDaniels and picks
Mavericks - Kyrie/Lively and picks
Suns - Booker (got no picks) Still laughing at how badly they **** that up.
Kings - Sabonis/Keegan Murray/Monk and picks
Warriors - Klay/Kuminga picks
Jazz/ Lauri/Jordan Clarkson picks
Rockets / Sengun/Jabari Smith Jr./Amen Thompson and picks
Grizzlies / Jaren Jackson Jr/Desmond Bane and picks


Out of these teams, OKC/and Rockets/Grizzlies and possibly the Heat are the only ones who would really benefit the Sixers, and make this interesting for Morey. Yeah, he's not getting traded.

You do realize there are three and four way trades thus increasing the possibilities exponentially right? Good GMs figure it out.

[mjkvol]

Maybe if Maxey busted an Embiid trade would be on the table, but the Sixers now have potentially two top 15 players after enduring the Simmons saga where they thought that was the case. NBA franchises don't just throw that away easily, especially in a market like Philly.

The best running back in the NFL might be a top player in the league as well, but he’s not getting anything done for you in the playoffs, where he’s very likely to get dominated by the best opposing quarterbacks in the league. Embiid versus Brunson (and Tatum, and Young, and Butler…) in a nutshell.

If you had the best running back in the NFL, would you trade him for one of the best quarterbacks?

Not even a good analogy. Embiid is more equivalent to a top defensive end. He can totally own a game but teams can do a lot to neutralize him by sending double teams & scheming for him.

It's an idiotic analogy anyway. One player can take over a basketball game, but in football any player is only playing half the time, and depends on other players on order to dominate. A QB needs WR's and an OL, or he's dominating nothing. The sports are entirely different.

[Ferry Avenue]

Not even a good analogy. Embiid is more equivalent to a top defensive end. He can totally own a game but teams can do a lot to neutralize him by sending double teams & scheming for him.

OK so let's go with that one then -- would you trade a top defensive end for a top quarterback?

Define top. For Mahomes, Allen, etc? Yeah obviously.

But trading Embiid for Booker is the NBA equivalent of trading TJ Watt for Dak Prescott.

Dak Prescott was actually the second-best quarterback in the league in 2023, behind Purdy, in terms of the statistics that correlate most strongly with winning. Regardless of that however, I think Booker is a top player and a guy who can function consistently effectively in the clutch as a three-level scorer who can create his own shot, and with the mentality that drives that, and that's exactly what this team is missing in my opinion.

[Ferry Avenue]

The best running back in the NFL might be a top player in the league as well, but he’s not getting anything done for you in the playoffs, where he’s very likely to get dominated by the best opposing quarterbacks in the league. Embiid versus Brunson (and Tatum, and Young, and Butler…) in a nutshell.

If you had the best running back in the NFL, would you trade him for one of the best quarterbacks?

Not even a good analogy. Embiid is more equivalent to a top defensive end. He can totally own a game but teams can do a lot to neutralize him by sending double teams & scheming for him.

It's an idiotic analogy anyway. One player can take over a basketball game, but in football any player is only playing half the time, and depends on other players on order to dominate. A QB needs WR's and an OL, or he's dominating nothing. The sports are entirely different.

Players have relative value with regard to winning in both sports. A three-level scorer who can create his own shot has greater relative value than a player who doesn't have those abilities.

[mjkvol]

Not even a good analogy. Embiid is more equivalent to a top defensive end. He can totally own a game but teams can do a lot to neutralize him by sending double teams & scheming for him.

It's an idiotic analogy anyway. One player can take over a basketball game, but in football any player is only playing half the time, and depends on other players on order to dominate. A QB needs WR's and an OL, or he's dominating nothing. The sports are entirely different.

Players have relative value with regard to winning in both sports. A three-level scorer who can create his own shot has greater relative value than a player who doesn't have those abilities.

So Embiid for Devin Booker is a good trade? The Sixers would instantly be a lottery team if they made that 1 for 1 exchange,
regardless of any 'spearheading' that Booker brought with him.

[Ferry Avenue]

It's an idiotic analogy anyway. One player can take over a basketball game, but in football any player is only playing half the time, and depends on other players on order to dominate. A QB needs WR's and an OL, or he's dominating nothing. The sports are entirely different.

Players have relative value with regard to winning in both sports. A three-level scorer who can create his own shot has greater relative value than a player who doesn't have those abilities.

So Embiid for Devin Booker is a good trade? The Sixers would instantly be a lottery team if they made that 1 for 1 exchange,
regardless of any 'spearheading' that Booker brought with him.

I'm not discussing whether a trade of Embiid for Booker would be regarded as equal value. I'm focused only on how replacing Embiid with Booker, paired with the kinds of effective supplemental personnel moves people talk about every offseason, would put the team in a better position to win. In other words we're talking about the ingredients of winning teams in the NBA, not the merits of trades as though we're formulating a report card for a GM. I simply don't believe a team can win a championship with Joel Embiid as the player it revolves around offensively in the playoffs. I do think a team can win one with Devin Booker as that player, however.

[mjkvol]

Players have relative value with regard to winning in both sports. A three-level scorer who can create his own shot has greater relative value than a player who doesn't have those abilities.

So Embiid for Devin Booker is a good trade? The Sixers would instantly be a lottery team if they made that 1 for 1 exchange,
regardless of any 'spearheading' that Booker brought with him.

I'm not discussing whether a trade of Embiid for Booker would be regarded as equal value. I'm focused only on how replacing Embiid with Booker, paired with the kinds of effective supplemental personnel moves people talk about every offseason, would put the team in a better position to win. In other words we're talking about the ingredients of winning teams in the NBA, not the merits of trades as though we're formulating a report card for a GM. I simply don't believe a team can win a championship with Joel Embiid as the player it revolves around offensively in the playoffs. I do think a team can win one with Devin Booker as that player, however.

Funny that Booker teams have had less overall success than Embiid teams other than the one fluky finals run of a team that fell apart the next season. He couldn't get out of the first round with Kevin Durant this season.

You don't do a whole lot of real ball talk other than the mental gibberish, but ask any NBA GM if they want to start a roster with Embiid or Booker, and I'd wager not a single one who is competent wouldn't answer Embiid in a split second.

[Ferry Avenue]

So Embiid for Devin Booker is a good trade? The Sixers would instantly be a lottery team if they made that 1 for 1 exchange,
regardless of any 'spearheading' that Booker brought with him.

I'm not discussing whether a trade of Embiid for Booker would be regarded as equal value. I'm focused only on how replacing Embiid with Booker, paired with the kinds of effective supplemental personnel moves people talk about every offseason, would put the team in a better position to win. In other words we're talking about the ingredients of winning teams in the NBA, not the merits of trades as though we're formulating a report card for a GM. I simply don't believe a team can win a championship with Joel Embiid as the player it revolves around offensively in the playoffs. I do think a team can win one with Devin Booker as that player, however.

Funny that Booker teams have had less overall success than Embiid teams other than the one fluky finals run of a team that fell apart the next season. He couldn't get out of the first round with Kevin Durant this season.

You don't do a whole lot of real ball talk other than the mental gibberish, but ask any NBA GM if they want to start a roster with Embiid or Booker, and I'd wager not a single one who is competent wouldn't answer Embiid in a split second.

Devin Booker averaged 28 points a game in an NBA finals series that went six games. Embiid hasn’t sniffed anything close to that.

[mjkvol]

I'm not discussing whether a trade of Embiid for Booker would be regarded as equal value. I'm focused only on how replacing Embiid with Booker, paired with the kinds of effective supplemental personnel moves people talk about every offseason, would put the team in a better position to win. In other words we're talking about the ingredients of winning teams in the NBA, not the merits of trades as though we're formulating a report card for a GM. I simply don't believe a team can win a championship with Joel Embiid as the player it revolves around offensively in the playoffs. I do think a team can win one with Devin Booker as that player, however.

Funny that Booker teams have had less overall success than Embiid teams other than the one fluky finals run of a team that fell apart the next season. He couldn't get out of the first round with Kevin Durant this season.

You don't do a whole lot of real ball talk other than the mental gibberish, but ask any NBA GM if they want to start a roster with Embiid or Booker, and I'd wager not a single one who is competent wouldn't answer Embiid in a split second.

Devin Booker averaged 28 points a game in an NBA finals series that went six games. Embiid hasn’t sniffed anything close to that.

Which means what, exactly? I'll repeat, ask NBA GM's who they would start a team with right now, and not a single one would choose Booker, because you can find Bookers every day in the NBA.

Your obsession with Embiid is downright bizarre, my friend.

[elchengue20]

Nah Booker isn't the answer.

Also not a great fit next to Maxey, that building block ain't leading you anywhere.

[eyeatoma]

If you trade Embiid you need to get an all-nba forward, and all star calibre center/guard in return.

[elchengue20]

I would trade him for Banchero + WCJ, but Orlando obviously ain't trading Paolo.

Would you trade Embiid for Allen+Mobley+some picks???

Make Mobley our starting 5, then you have Allen+ cap space+ million picks to build the rest of the team.

That for sure would be a very bright future for the next decade. If i was still playing, Il'do that in a heartbeat in 2K and see what i can build lol.

[Mik317]

....why would the suns trade Booker anyway? To build around an aging KD with two injury prone players while oweing picks?

[eyeatoma]

I would trade him for Banchero + WCJ, but Orlando obviously ain't trading Paolo.

Would you trade Embiid for Allen+Mobley+some picks???

Make Mobley our starting 5, then you have Allen+ cap space+ million picks to build the rest of the team.

That for sure would be a very bright future for the next decade. If i was still playing, Il'do that in a heartbeat in 2K and see what i can build lol.

LOL at all these theoretical trades. None of these would be ones that Morey would take. Need an all-nba player in return, with a young up and coming star at minimum.

[elchengue20]

I would trade him for Banchero + WCJ, but Orlando obviously ain't trading Paolo.

Would you trade Embiid for Allen+Mobley+some picks???

Make Mobley our starting 5, then you have Allen+ cap space+ million picks to build the rest of the team.

That for sure would be a very bright future for the next decade. If i was still playing, Il'do that in a heartbeat in 2K and see what i can build lol.

LOL at all these theoretical trades. None of these would be ones that Morey would take. Need an all-nba player in return, with a young up and coming star at minimum.

Obviously Morey won't do that trade genius. He's here for win now only. He doesn't have time to wait 5+ years to build something.

I'm just asking if people around here would consider doing something like that, to me it's intriguing to make a move like this.

That being sayed, i don't think there is many teams trading you an All-NBA player PLUS an young All-Star for Embiid at 31 years old coming from multiple injuries and Playoffs meltdowns.