taking advantage of perceived weak draft

[ForeverTFC]

why are people obsessed with the top 10 in this draft?

this draft sucks. let's move on.

It’s because we have assets to move and the likelihood of getting into the lottery is higher precisely because the draft “sucks”.

But then it's not really the lottery as we understand it, no?

If the analysts are right and this draft starts at the 6th to 10th pick of a normal draft year, getting a pick in the 7-10 range in this draft returns the expected value of a 13th-20th pick, essentially a non-lottery pick.

If Masai and Bobby have a target that they think is undervalued, they should go for it because the price will be lower. Otherwise, getting in for the sake of getting in isn't really buying low, it's buying at fair value at best.

[Merit]

why are people obsessed with the top 10 in this draft?

this draft sucks. let's move on.

It’s because we have assets to move and the likelihood of getting into the lottery is higher precisely because the draft “sucks”.

But then it's not really the lottery as we understand it, no?

If the analysts are right and this draft starts at the 6th to 10th pick of a normal draft year, getting a pick in the 7-10 range in this draft returns the expected value of a 13th-20th pick, essentially a non-lottery pick.

If Masai and Bobby have a target that they think is undervalued, they should go for it because the price will be lower. Otherwise, getting in for the sake of getting in isn't really buying low, it's buying at fair value at best.

For sure. It’s not the lottery as we understand it; and yes, it’s about going after a target that may have dropped. It’s also important to remember and consider the cap implications. Given that we aren’t in the lottery present tense, getting cheap rotational depth and swinging for the fences for one solid Free agent plus an MLE signing would be what I’d attempt. For me that would be Derrick Jones Jr. and Jalen Smith.

Said differently, I’d be forced to choose between a lotto pick and the full MLE. I’d probably go with a wiggins trade and a full MLE signing at the positions we don’t draft/trade for. That is likely a backup PG and shooting depth. Of course moving Brown and moving on from GTJ can be factored in as well.

[HangTime]

If we end up with 3 picks, I hope we can get

Missi, Ware, and Chomche.

Give them all of them a ton of G-leauge together, and but also find Ware some early rotation mintues.

As the years goes on, give them rotation mintues to see their progress.

[canada_dry]

The way to take advantage of a weak draft is to draft nba ready role player types. 2-4 year college guys.

If you have 2 picks like we do, the question then becomes do you go with 2 safe picks, 2 rotation guys that can help, or do you take a swing on one of the picks for a potential guy that needs development with one of the picks?

You need at least one of them to hit though.

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[TimeForChange]

The way to take advantage of a weak draft is to draft nba ready role player types. 2-4 year college guys.


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but those are the guys going on the lottery in this draft

a guy like dalton knecht is a late first rounder at best in a normal draft, and he's projected to go top 10 in this draft.

this draft is probably best for international prospects, hoping you hit on someone who other teams didn't scout as much.

[CazOnReal]

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I’ll believe it when I see it. We heard this same thing last trade deadline and he’s still here.

[CazOnReal]

I’ll believe it when I see it. We heard this same thing last trade deadline and he’s still here.

Big difference is the Lakers will probably have their 1st after the Pelicans decide to defer the owed pick the Lakers have to give them to 2025 (They're in a serious salary crunch). The one issue with the Lakers as a trade partner is...who is the filler?

I would personally rather have Vanderbilt over Brown so it's not him and Gabe.

D'Lo would have to opt in for it to be expirings in Wood/Russell which by all accounts it sounds like he won't.

Is Brown an upgrade over Rui? I'm genuinely not sure (I haven't followed how well Hachimura has played this season).

Vincent isn't making enough to get the salaries over the line without a 3rd team, not unless you just gut all the minimum/smaller salary guys.

[CPT]

Surely there will be a lottery team looking to trade their draft pick for Jakob Poeltl.

[Pointgod]

I’ll believe it when I see it. We heard this same thing last trade deadline and he’s still here.

Big difference is the Lakers will probably have their 1st after the Pelicans decide to defer the owed pick the Lakers have to give them to 2025 (They're in a serious salary crunch). The one issue with the Lakers as a trade partner is...who is the filler?

I would personally rather have Vanderbilt over Brown so it's not him and Gabe.

D'Lo would have to opt in for it to be expirings in Wood/Russell which by all accounts it sounds like he won't.

Is Brown an upgrade over Rui? I'm genuinely not sure (I haven't followed how well Hachimura has played this season).

Vincent isn't making enough to get the salaries over the line without a 3rd team, not unless you just gut all the minimum/smaller salary guys.

I don’t buy for a second a bunch of contenders are looking to give up first round picks for Bruce Brown. It’s going to be difficult to match salaries and I’m not sure if it makes sense for most teams to give up a first for one year less in salary. I could see the Kings making a trade around Kevin Heurter and Davion Mitchell or Chris Duerte for Brown knowing that they’ll have a lottery pick and will need to extend Malik Monk. So Brown gives them salary relief

[ArthurVandelay]

I’ll believe it when I see it. We heard this same thing last trade deadline and he’s still here.

Big difference is the Lakers will probably have their 1st after the Pelicans decide to defer the owed pick the Lakers have to give them to 2025 (They're in a serious salary crunch). The one issue with the Lakers as a trade partner is...who is the filler?

I would personally rather have Vanderbilt over Brown so it's not him and Gabe.

D'Lo would have to opt in for it to be expirings in Wood/Russell which by all accounts it sounds like he won't.

Is Brown an upgrade over Rui? I'm genuinely not sure (I haven't followed how well Hachimura has played this season).

Vincent isn't making enough to get the salaries over the line without a 3rd team, not unless you just gut all the minimum/smaller salary guys.

I don’t buy for a second a bunch of contenders are looking to give up first round picks for Bruce Brown. It’s going to be difficult to match salaries and I’m not sure if it makes sense for most teams to give up a first for one year less in salary. I could see the Kings making a trade around Kevin Heurter and Davion Mitchell or Chris Duerte for Brown knowing that they’ll have a lottery pick and will need to extend Malik Monk. So Brown gives them salary relief

I think Monk is gone.

I think the most the Kings can offer is $17m annually.

People have mentioned trading with Atlanta to get the Kings 2025 1st, protected 1-12, but I’m not sure that conveys

[deeps6x]

Surely there will be a lottery team looking to trade their draft pick for Jakob Poeltl.

If we were willing to give up Poeltl for a lottery pick this year, then we must really want Clinghan or Edey. I'm assuming Edey as Clinghan probably goes top 7, and we'd be looking at #9 or lower.

So assuming it would be Memphis and #9, because they need a C and Poeltl is a rather good one, and will definitely be a better one then Clinghan or Edey for the next couple of years, do they even have matching salary parts to trade with #9?

And would we just be giving up Poeltl or would we have to attach one of our picks with him?


I kind of like the idea of doing Poeltl to get Edey. Get a younger but similar C, who lines up better with Scottie's age for the rebuild, who will also suck enough as a rookie player which will help the 2025 tank. We are going to sign Scottie and IQ to big $$$ contracts so it would help to have a cheap deal to compensate for some of their salaries for a few years.

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I’ll believe it when I see it. We heard this same thing last trade deadline and he’s still here.

I just went UGGH when I saw this. But I'm not sure how his situation works.

Can he have his option picked up before the draft AND immediately trade him for some other team's matching salary and their 2024 pick? (Like with the Bulls and Lonzo or something?) Because if he can't be traded for a pick immediately then I'd rather just not pick up his option at all. From my perspective he was trash salary filler that Indy needed to throw in to make the Siakam deal work. Masai took that trash salary filler and some picks because he knew he wasn't re-signing Siakam and didn't want the shame of losing another key player for nothing. That trash salary filler arrived and, surprise, played like trash, and the whole league is aware that he played like trash, so 100% Masai should NOT pick up his option UNLESS he has a deal already in place with some fool team willing to give up some value for our salary filler trash player. Even though he would be a good TANK COMMANDER for the 2025 tank, I really don't want to see Brown on this team again next year. And if Masai picks up his option without another deal already arranged, then it will just turn into the Dragic embarA$$ment all over again.

Masai, we understand why you got stuck with him OK? You don't need to double down on the sucky part pretending you actually wanted Brown on this team. Just cut him free and move on already. If he plays one more minute as a Raptor, then maybe I'm starting to side with the gang that thinks you should be fired. (I'll probably never go to their side though as you've done well enough with some trades and draft picks to keep me on your side).

[CazOnReal]

Big difference is the Lakers will probably have their 1st after the Pelicans decide to defer the owed pick the Lakers have to give them to 2025 (They're in a serious salary crunch). The one issue with the Lakers as a trade partner is...who is the filler?

I would personally rather have Vanderbilt over Brown so it's not him and Gabe.

D'Lo would have to opt in for it to be expirings in Wood/Russell which by all accounts it sounds like he won't.

Is Brown an upgrade over Rui? I'm genuinely not sure (I haven't followed how well Hachimura has played this season).

Vincent isn't making enough to get the salaries over the line without a 3rd team, not unless you just gut all the minimum/smaller salary guys.

I don’t buy for a second a bunch of contenders are looking to give up first round picks for Bruce Brown. It’s going to be difficult to match salaries and I’m not sure if it makes sense for most teams to give up a first for one year less in salary. I could see the Kings making a trade around Kevin Heurter and Davion Mitchell or Chris Duerte for Brown knowing that they’ll have a lottery pick and will need to extend Malik Monk. So Brown gives them salary relief

I think Monk is gone.

I think the most the Kings can offer is $17m annually.

People have mentioned trading with Atlanta to get the Kings 2025 1st, protected 1-12, but I’m not sure that conveys

The funny thing is the Kings record was more or less the same as it was last year. The difference is how much better the West is now vs then.

That being in mind, there's a reasonable chance it will convey given the protections go down to 10 in 2026 if it doesn't next year. If the Kings make the playoffs or the play-in - which is not unreasonable to see them being in that 7-10 range if Murray doesn't have the sophomore slump he did and if Fox doesn't miss several games due to injury - then said pick could be a late lottery/first out of the lotto picks in the 2025 draft.

[torsport]

I do see the logic here.

I think trading into the top end of the draft makes sense if we don't give up any future value. If teams want to trade out of the draft a pick in the 10-15 range is still going to be an upgrade to our roster and a controllable contract.

I think it would be more likely a target a team up against the tax looking to shed a contract.

Sacramento makes sense to me, taking on Harrison Barnes or Kevin Huerter for their pick, plus Brown (I think there are some unique aspects of his contract that gives the acquiring team an out). I think Sacramento prefers to keep Monk and can't do it without going into the tax. We get 13 + Barnes or Huerter for Brown + a future second (do we have any left to trade? I forget) makes sense. Then Huerter/Barnes could be traded down the line for a similar deal.

It reminds me of the Office episode where Dwight keeps trading up until he gets something valuable, or the one red paperclip Craigslist story. If we keep acquiring mistakes and converting them to picks or young players when their contracts become an asset you can build some good young depth quickly.