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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#521 » by mjkvol » Thu May 16, 2024 4:25 pm

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76ciology wrote:Aren't Gobert, Zubac, Brook Lopez, Steven Adams, Jonas Valanciunas, Walker Kessler, Jokic, and Embiid also playing heavy drop or camping a lot on defense?


But while playing that way is a proven regular season strategy when teams are a lot more vanilla on offense, it hasn't translated to winning in the playoffs for the most part. Minnesota was a dominant defense anchored around Gobert all season, and looked like they were going to steamroll the Nuggets, but their most impressive win was without Gobert, and Denver has adjusted and we're seeing the results, even before Jokic's otherworldly performance.


Before everything, I’d like to say that I like Clingan and consider him top 3 pick material in this draft. I liked Clingan since last year when I wondered why he didn't declare for the draft, as he was already a lottery material. His gamble eventually paid off; he might be a top 3 to 5 pick this season, which he wouldn't have been last season. Bigs need to be in a very supportive environment, so it’s crucial where they land and how much the team will support them.

As Tim McMahon said, if Gobert can’t stop Jokic, nobody can in the entire playoffs. Actually, Gobert is playing great defense on Jokic; Jokic is just an all-time great caliber talent. He is among the best of the best, winning his 3rd MVP in 4 years.

On a related note, what if Gobert could play this level of defense and also punish smaller defenders? What if he could draw fouls and get Jokic into foul trouble? Wouldn’t the gap be smaller? I think Edey can do that.

Regarding Edey’s defense, I think it’s a deficiency that a team can hide with schemes and roster makeup, like Gobert’s case of being surrounded by lengthy wings and another big at the 4. It’s controllable.

It’s more controllable than Risacher developing his on-ball scoring skillset or Topic and Sheppard developing an explosive scorer mentality and skillset.

But yeah, it will take a lot of guts for a GM to take Edey with the number one pick. But for someone who doesn’t have a skin in the game like me, I’m willing to take that risk.


Until I see differently, Edey looks like a guy who will be torched by any decent NBA center, where he won't get the benefit of the officiating he got in college. Like I said, he will certainly have a career in the league, but I have trouble imagining him as a guy that anyone is going to build around.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#522 » by 76ciology » Thu May 16, 2024 5:20 pm

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But while playing that way is a proven regular season strategy when teams are a lot more vanilla on offense, it hasn't translated to winning in the playoffs for the most part. Minnesota was a dominant defense anchored around Gobert all season, and looked like they were going to steamroll the Nuggets, but their most impressive win was without Gobert, and Denver has adjusted and we're seeing the results, even before Jokic's otherworldly performance.


Before everything, I’d like to say that I like Clingan and consider him top 3 pick material in this draft. I liked Clingan since last year when I wondered why he didn't declare for the draft, as he was already a lottery material. His gamble eventually paid off; he might be a top 3 to 5 pick this season, which he wouldn't have been last season. Bigs need to be in a very supportive environment, so it’s crucial where they land and how much the team will support them.

As Tim McMahon said, if Gobert can’t stop Jokic, nobody can in the entire playoffs. Actually, Gobert is playing great defense on Jokic; Jokic is just an all-time great caliber talent. He is among the best of the best, winning his 3rd MVP in 4 years.

On a related note, what if Gobert could play this level of defense and also punish smaller defenders? What if he could draw fouls and get Jokic into foul trouble? Wouldn’t the gap be smaller? I think Edey can do that.

Regarding Edey’s defense, I think it’s a deficiency that a team can hide with schemes and roster makeup, like Gobert’s case of being surrounded by lengthy wings and another big at the 4. It’s controllable.

It’s more controllable than Risacher developing his on-ball scoring skillset or Topic and Sheppard developing an explosive scorer mentality and skillset.

But yeah, it will take a lot of guts for a GM to take Edey with the number one pick. But for someone who doesn’t have a skin in the game like me, I’m willing to take that risk.


Until I see differently, Edey looks like a guy who will be torched by any decent NBA center, where he won't get the benefit of the officiating he got in college. Like I said, he will certainly have a career in the league, but I have trouble imagining him as a guy that anyone is going to build around.


Your fear is valid, and all of these prospects carry risks.
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Post#523 » by Lou_23 » Thu May 16, 2024 7:37 pm

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FireMorey wrote:Thoughts on Devin Carter?


If he's there at 16, he should absolutely be the pick. He's too good of a fit for this team. I think he's going to rise up the boards as the draft gets closer. He's going to be a very good pro in my opinion.
I agree 100%.

I think he will be a fantastic bench player at least, it is my favourite player if we talk about realistic options with our pick.

I also like Tristan Da Silva for us, and if Collier falls, I will be very happy if the Sixers draft him.
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Post#524 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 16, 2024 11:18 pm

I think the Kentucky guys are going to slide.

Wayyyyy too skinny and weak. Sheppard at 180 and Dillingham at 160? Holy crap.
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Post#525 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 16, 2024 11:47 pm

Does Donovan Clingan have a gas tank?

Just 22 mpg this year.

Edey has back to back years playing 30+ mpg. His stamina for his size is incredible.
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Post#526 » by Negrodamus » Thu May 16, 2024 11:54 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think the Kentucky guys are going to slide.

Wayyyyy too skinny and weak. Sheppard at 180 and Dillingham at 160? Holy crap.


I'd be deeply concerned about drafting Dillingham with those numbers. Sheppard at least has some weight to his game. I feel like Dillingham was a combo guard getting his when he was in the game. I have UK friends saying he's the next Iverson, lol.
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Post#527 » by Jailblazers7 » Fri May 17, 2024 12:13 am

I’m interested to see how Edey fairs in a modern offense with NBA guards. He’s got soft touch and moves well. I could see him being pretty lethal hitting short floaters like we see Hartenstein & Jokic feast on.

I hope he lands in OKC because that’s just an amazing fit for him.
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Post#528 » by Mik317 » Fri May 17, 2024 3:10 am

I love Dillingham's game

every time I watched Kentucky he balled out...dude just has swag

but dude is **** tiny lol

I like him on the Spurs so Wemby can clean up all of his messes lol.
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Post#529 » by Iverson Armband » Fri May 17, 2024 3:39 am

Mik317 wrote:I love Dillingham's game

every time I watched Kentucky he balled out...dude just has swag

but dude is **** tiny lol

I like him on the Spurs so Wemby can clean up all of his messes lol.

He reminds me of a Brandon Jennings with some sense lol
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Post#530 » by 76ciology » Fri May 17, 2024 3:40 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:I’m interested to see how Edey fairs in a modern offense with NBA guards. He’s got soft touch and moves well. I could see him being pretty lethal hitting short floaters like we see Hartenstein & Jokic feast on.

I hope he lands in OKC because that’s just an amazing fit for him.


Yes, I also want to see how Edey would perform on offense in the NBA. Offense in the NBA is extremely competitive; you need to be highly efficient, or you'll lose the math game. This is something that heavy post players often struggle with. Most of the time, it's not bad defense that gets them out of the league; it's their inability to score with a high frequency of high points per shot play types or FGAs.

If Edey wants to excel in the NBA, he needs to be more versatile, much like Embiid's development. Edey must expand his range and improve at running the two-man game. This would help counter bigger defenders and complex defenses.

If he ends up playing with a guard like Ja Morant or Shai, those guards would have open shots all day because of how effective a screener he is. It would be nearly impossible to switch if his size and skillset in the post translate to the NBA.

There are many teams where I hope he lands. OKC, the Grizzlies, and probably even the Spurs would be great options.
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Post#531 » by 76ciology » Fri May 17, 2024 4:21 am

Kobblehead wrote:I think the Kentucky guys are going to slide.

Wayyyyy too skinny and weak. Sheppard at 180 and Dillingham at 160? Holy crap.


I think we either have a chance to draft McCain, Collier, or even Dillingham, or we could trade this pick for good value by draft night.

Also consider that Garland, Trae Young, Dejounte, Caruso, Lavine and Mitchell could also be available in the trade market.

Seems like we are in the sweet spot of the draft.
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Post#532 » by mjkvol » Fri May 17, 2024 11:12 am

76ciology wrote:Also consider that Garland, Trae Young, Dejounte, Caruso, Lavine and Mitchell could also be available in the trade market.


I'd love Garland and Caruso, and could live with Murray and maybe Mitchell at the right price. You can keep the rest.
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Post#533 » by Negrodamus » Fri May 17, 2024 11:47 am

My second round pick would be Michael Ajayi. His W/S and height are elite for a SG/SF in the NBA. He played for a doodoo team and wasn’t good enough to elevate them, but he put up pretty impressive scoring and rebounding numbers. His hands are also gigantic. He played like a homeless version of Kawhi for Pepperdine. If there’s any more potential to unlock, particularly defensively, he can definitely become an excellent role player.
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Post#534 » by Monix » Fri May 17, 2024 1:15 pm

Negrodamus wrote:My second round pick would be Michael Ajayi. His W/S and height are elite for a SG/SF in the NBA. He played for a doodoo team and wasn’t good enough to elevate them, but he put up pretty impressive scoring and rebounding numbers. His hands are also gigantic. He played like a homeless version of Kawhi for Pepperdine. If there’s any more potential to unlock, particularly defensively, he can definitely become an excellent role player.

he's interesting - strong measurables, good catch & shoot numbers
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Post#535 » by Kobblehead » Sat May 18, 2024 3:10 am

I know that you should scout the player, not the jersey, but why don't any of these Pepperdine guys pan out?

I thought both Kessler Edwards and Maxwell Lewis were solid prospects with great size and skill.
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Post#536 » by Negrodamus » Sat May 18, 2024 4:54 am

Kobblehead wrote:I know that you should scout the player, not the jersey, but why don't any of these Pepperdine guys pan out?

I thought both Kessler Edwards and Maxwell Lewis were solid prospects with great size and skill.


Not being able to single-handedly lift a Romar coaches team to a winning record should be a major black mark on your draft resume. Even Markelle couldn’t and he put up insane numbers.
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Post#537 » by Kobblehead » Sat May 18, 2024 11:14 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:I’d be obsessed with us drafting Tristan da Silva if he were a better rebounder.

If none of the freshman fall and Shannon is viewed as too incendiary to draft, I would be fine with Tristan da Silva.

He's in that 6'9" 220 size range that is coveted in the PF spot. A natural replacement for Harris and Batum. He has a projectable jumper and he moves the ball well.

With two straight seasons averaging over 15 ppg, I feel confident in him being able to be one of the 4-6 guys that you need that can produce double digit scoring in the playoffs.
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Post#538 » by Kobblehead » Sat May 18, 2024 11:22 am

Zaccharie Risacher rising to #1 is really rough. I legitimately think he compares to Kevin Knox.
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Post#539 » by youngcrev » Sat May 18, 2024 7:10 pm

Tidjane Salaun looks intriguing
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