Joel Embiid Hypothetical Trade Thread

[eyeatoma]

I would trade him for Banchero + WCJ, but Orlando obviously ain't trading Paolo.

Would you trade Embiid for Allen+Mobley+some picks???

Make Mobley our starting 5, then you have Allen+ cap space+ million picks to build the rest of the team.

That for sure would be a very bright future for the next decade. If i was still playing, Il'do that in a heartbeat in 2K and see what i can build lol.

LOL at all these theoretical trades. None of these would be ones that Morey would take. Need an all-nba player in return, with a young up and coming star at minimum.

Obviously Morey won't do that trade genius. He's here for win now only. He doesn't have time to wait 5+ years to build something.

I'm just asking if people around here would consider doing something like that, to me it's intriguing to make a move like this.

That being sayed, i don't think there is many teams trading you an All-NBA player PLUS an young All-Star for Embiid at 31 years old coming from multiple injuries and Playoffs meltdowns.

Embiid is 30 and not 31. No, nobody would do that trade, because you don't trade an MVP for that crap, genius.

[Jhawk03]

LOL at all these theoretical trades. None of these would be ones that Morey would take. Need an all-nba player in return, with a young up and coming star at minimum.

Obviously Morey won't do that trade genius. He's here for win now only. He doesn't have time to wait 5+ years to build something.

I'm just asking if people around here would consider doing something like that, to me it's intriguing to make a move like this.

That being sayed, i don't think there is many teams trading you an All-NBA player PLUS an young All-Star for Embiid at 31 years old coming from multiple injuries and Playoffs meltdowns.

Embiid is 30 and not 31. No, nobody would do that trade, because you don't trade an MVP for that crap, genius.

Arguing the difference between Embiid being 30 vs 31 is like arguing the difference between your ex girlfriend and your hand. Either way your're not getting laid. What's the difference between Embiid and AD for that matter?

At any rate, unless this thread is a wild attempt at a genuine discussion of Joel's "trade value", which is a perfectly fine idea to discuss, the actual reality leading to ideas like trading Embiid for Booker straight up are making this thread reach troll levels... and like I'll continue to say... I have NO INTEREST in giving ANY TEAM a championship, and you guys need to get your head outta your ass if you think for one second that the team that receives Joel in a trade won't win a title in your lifetime.

Now if Silver the Snake would wink gift us the next Wemby four years from now by the sixers trading Embiid I'd probably do it... reluctantly.

[elchengue20]

Embiid is going to be 31 in the Playoffs, you know, when it really matters.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid is going to be 31 in the Playoffs, you know, when it really matters.

Bro stop this ****. Plenty of player go until they're 38-39. You're debating semantics here. Embiid can easily go until 36-37 if he decides to take care of his body. Lots of players converted to a vegan diet etc. to help their body. You're not making a point here.

[Iverson Armband]

Obviously Morey won't do that trade genius. He's here for win now only. He doesn't have time to wait 5+ years to build something.

I'm just asking if people around here would consider doing something like that, to me it's intriguing to make a move like this.

That being sayed, i don't think there is many teams trading you an All-NBA player PLUS an young All-Star for Embiid at 31 years old coming from multiple injuries and Playoffs meltdowns.

Embiid is 30 and not 31. No, nobody would do that trade, because you don't trade an MVP for that crap, genius.

Arguing the difference between Embiid being 30 vs 31 is like arguing the difference between your ex girlfriend and your hand. Either way your're not getting laid. What's the difference between Embiid and AD for that matter?

At any rate, unless this thread is a wild attempt at a genuine discussion of Joel's "trade value", which is a perfectly fine idea to discuss, the actual reality leading to ideas like trading Embiid for Booker straight up are making this thread reach troll levels... and like I'll continue to say... I have NO INTEREST in giving ANY TEAM a championship, and you guys need to get your head outta your ass if you think for one second that the team that receives Joel in a trade won't win a title in your lifetime.

Now if Silver the Snake would wink gift us the next Wemby four years from now by the sixers trading Embiid I'd probably do it... reluctantly.

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid is 30 and not 31. No, nobody would do that trade, because you don't trade an MVP for that crap, genius.

Arguing the difference between Embiid being 30 vs 31 is like arguing the difference between your ex girlfriend and your hand. Either way your're not getting laid. What's the difference between Embiid and AD for that matter?

At any rate, unless this thread is a wild attempt at a genuine discussion of Joel's "trade value", which is a perfectly fine idea to discuss, the actual reality leading to ideas like trading Embiid for Booker straight up are making this thread reach troll levels... and like I'll continue to say... I have NO INTEREST in giving ANY TEAM a championship, and you guys need to get your head outta your ass if you think for one second that the team that receives Joel in a trade won't win a title in your lifetime.

Now if Silver the Snake would wink gift us the next Wemby four years from now by the sixers trading Embiid I'd probably do it... reluctantly.

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

Based on the fact that if he is healthy for one post season he likely makes the finals. He's the best player in the EAST easily, and at worst is a top 2 player league wide. This year he was clearly the best player in the league prior to getting injured during the season and despite his injuries, had the highest point average, PER, and on/OFF percentage during the playoffs.

[Ferry Avenue]

Nah Booker isn't the answer.

Also not a great fit next to Maxey, that building block ain't leading you anywhere.

What definitely isn’t the answer is a team that revolves offensively around Joel Embiid. If you can acquire and afford a player who supplants Embiid from that role without trading Embiid, then so be it. Otherwise you have to trade Embiid to accomplish it.

Right now Joel Embiid’s role on the team is the limiting factor in its success. If he continues in that role the team will have a ceiling on its championship aspirations that falls well below a championship.

[eyeatoma]

Nah Booker isn't the answer.

Also not a great fit next to Maxey, that building block ain't leading you anywhere.

What definitely isn’t the answer is a team that revolves offensively around Joel Embiid. If you can acquire and afford a player who supplants Embiid from that role without trading Embiid, then so be it. Otherwise you have to trade Embiid to accomplish it.

Right now Joel Embiid’s role on the team is the limiting factor in its success. If he continues in that role the team will have a ceiling on its championship aspirations that falls well below a championship.

Why do you think it's not the answer. Embid was not the problem during the playoffs.

[Ferry Avenue]

Arguing the difference between Embiid being 30 vs 31 is like arguing the difference between your ex girlfriend and your hand. Either way your're not getting laid. What's the difference between Embiid and AD for that matter?

At any rate, unless this thread is a wild attempt at a genuine discussion of Joel's "trade value", which is a perfectly fine idea to discuss, the actual reality leading to ideas like trading Embiid for Booker straight up are making this thread reach troll levels... and like I'll continue to say... I have NO INTEREST in giving ANY TEAM a championship, and you guys need to get your head outta your ass if you think for one second that the team that receives Joel in a trade won't win a title in your lifetime.

Now if Silver the Snake would wink gift us the next Wemby four years from now by the sixers trading Embiid I'd probably do it... reluctantly.

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

Based on the fact that if he is healthy for one post season he likely makes the finals. He's the best player in the EAST easily, and at worst is a top 2 player league wide. This year he was clearly the best player in the league prior to getting injured during the season and despite his injuries, had the highest point average, PER, and on/OFF percentage during the playoffs.

Those statistics are meaningless, because analogously there could in theory be an NFL team that runs the ball predominantly whose running back will accumulate stellar statistics because of it, yet that team in all likelihood will be dominated in the playoffs by opposing teams with the league’s best quarterbacks that feature the passing game.

We’re at five years in a row now of Joel Embiid’s being ousted from the playoffs by teams spearheaded by three-level scorers who can create their own shot. That’s more than enough of a sample size to determine that the Sixers’ offense should not revolve around him, and that their offense needs to revolve around such a player instead, as well.

[eyeatoma]

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

Based on the fact that if he is healthy for one post season he likely makes the finals. He's the best player in the EAST easily, and at worst is a top 2 player league wide. This year he was clearly the best player in the league prior to getting injured during the season and despite his injuries, had the highest point average, PER, and on/OFF percentage during the playoffs.

Those statistics are meaningless, because analogously there could in theory be an NFL team that runs the ball predominantly whose running back will accumulate stellar statistics because of it, yet that team in all likelihood will be dominated in the playoffs by opposing teams with the league’s best quarterbacks that feature the passing game.

We’re at five years in a row now of Joel Embiid’s being ousted from the playoffs by teams spearheaded by three-level scorers who can create their own shot. That’s more than enough of a sample size to determine that the Sixers’ offense should not revolve around him, and that their offense needs to revolve around such a player instead, as well.

Right so let's just ignore the grand canyon sized chasm when he goes to the bench durin the playoffs, or that fact that anyone besides Maxey could hit a shot. Or the fact that Tobias Harris who has been with the team every year has come up small, and had 0 points in game 6. LOL.

[Ferry Avenue]

Based on the fact that if he is healthy for one post season he likely makes the finals. He's the best player in the EAST easily, and at worst is a top 2 player league wide. This year he was clearly the best player in the league prior to getting injured during the season and despite his injuries, had the highest point average, PER, and on/OFF percentage during the playoffs.

Those statistics are meaningless, because analogously there could in theory be an NFL team that runs the ball predominantly whose running back will accumulate stellar statistics because of it, yet that team in all likelihood will be dominated in the playoffs by opposing teams with the league’s best quarterbacks that feature the passing game.

We’re at five years in a row now of Joel Embiid’s being ousted from the playoffs by teams spearheaded by three-level scorers who can create their own shot. That’s more than enough of a sample size to determine that the Sixers’ offense should not revolve around him, and that their offense needs to revolve around such a player instead, as well.

Right so let's just ignore the grand canyon sized chasm when he goes to the bench durin the playoffs, or that fact that anyone besides Maxey could hit a shot. Or the fact that Tobias Harris who has been with the team every year has come up small, and had 0 points in game 6. LOL.

If you can acquire enough surrounding talent that it equals the presence of a three-level scorer who can create his own shot, then so be it. That’s unlikely however, and it’s also unlikely that you’ll get all those pistons firing at the necessary level every time you need them to.

This is the equivalent of an NFL team with an inadequate quarterback, trying to surround him with enough talent that it compensates for it. The message boards for such a team would sound a lot like this one. “All we need is a better offensive line, better receivers, a better running back, and a better defense.” Yeah, good luck with that.

[Iverson Armband]

Arguing the difference between Embiid being 30 vs 31 is like arguing the difference between your ex girlfriend and your hand. Either way your're not getting laid. What's the difference between Embiid and AD for that matter?

At any rate, unless this thread is a wild attempt at a genuine discussion of Joel's "trade value", which is a perfectly fine idea to discuss, the actual reality leading to ideas like trading Embiid for Booker straight up are making this thread reach troll levels... and like I'll continue to say... I have NO INTEREST in giving ANY TEAM a championship, and you guys need to get your head outta your ass if you think for one second that the team that receives Joel in a trade won't win a title in your lifetime.

Now if Silver the Snake would wink gift us the next Wemby four years from now by the sixers trading Embiid I'd probably do it... reluctantly.

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

Based on the fact that if he is healthy for one post season he likely makes the finals. He's the best player in the EAST easily, and at worst is a top 2 player league wide. This year he was clearly the best player in the league prior to getting injured during the season and despite his injuries, had the highest point average, PER, and on/OFF percentage during the playoffs.

Honestly, I’m done going back and forth with you on Embiid. The proof is in the pudding, dude just can’t get it done in the playoffs. I really don’t care if it’s because of injury or whatever else excuse you want to conjure up in your brain, the fact is it hasn’t happened PERIOD. And likely won’t if he doesn’t make some serious changes. Keep wishing upon a star though.

[elchengue20]

Embiid is going to be 31 in the Playoffs, you know, when it really matters.

Bro stop this ****. Plenty of player go until they're 38-39. You're debating semantics here. Embiid can easily go until 36-37 if he decides to take care of his body. Lots of players converted to a vegan diet etc. to help their body. You're not making a point here.

This must be one of the most delusional takes ive seen in a long time around here.

Im not debating semantics, they guy is going to be 31 next Playoff run and has never had a healthy season in his carreer. Thinking hes likely to have left 5+ years of elite level its just absurd. Best case scenario he gives us 2 or 3 more years, then hes going to decline fast (while earning supermax money).

And the other problem is that, even at his peak form, Embiid has strugled a lot offensively when it really matters. He has not proven to be a reliable #1 at all. Also he has not ECF nevermind Finals experience. So basically you are relying on a short window with a guy who probably still has some growing pains to face.

Sorry if some of us have critical thinking and we wonder if maybe thats not a great plan. You just are a Embiid fanboy it seems. Im a Sixers fan.

[mjkvol]

Embiid is going to be 31 in the Playoffs, you know, when it really matters.

Bro stop this ****. Plenty of player go until they're 38-39. You're debating semantics here. Embiid can easily go until 36-37 if he decides to take care of his body. Lots of players converted to a vegan diet etc. to help their body. You're not making a point here.

This must be one of the most delusional takes ive seen in a long time around here.

Im not debating semantics, they guy is going to be 31 next Playoff run and has never had a healthy season in his carreer. Thinking hes likely to have left 5+ years of elite level its just absurd. Best case scenario he gives us 2 or 3 more years, then hes going to decline fast (while earning supermax money).

And the other problem is that, even at his peak form, Embiid has strugled a lot offensively when it really matters. He has not proven to be a reliable #1 at all. Also he has not ECF nevermind Finals experience. So basically you are relying on a short window with a guy who probably still has some growing pains to face.

Sorry if some of us have critical thinking and we wonder if maybe thats not a great plan. You just are a Embiid fanboy it seems. Im a Sixers fan.

My hope is that as he ages Embiid changes his mindset to being more like Duncan or better yet Dirk in the latter part of his career, becoming more of a complimentary player than the "#1" that everyone believes he has to be.

This is a huge reason why I'd like to see Morey focus the team building on putting together a group that doesn't rely on Embiid on both ends to survive, one that won't self-destruct when this imaginary 'window' is 'closed', but is built to grow and last.

If Embiid continues to train and focus his game like he has been, I would agree with you that the decline will be fast and ugly. My hope for him and the Sixers is that he's smarter than that.

[elchengue20]

Nah Booker isn't the answer.

Also not a great fit next to Maxey, that building block ain't leading you anywhere.

What definitely isn’t the answer is a team that revolves offensively around Joel Embiid. If you can acquire and afford a player who supplants Embiid from that role without trading Embiid, then so be it. Otherwise you have to trade Embiid to accomplish it.

Right now Joel Embiid’s role on the team is the limiting factor in its success. If he continues in that role the team will have a ceiling on its championship aspirations that falls well below a championship.

Why do you think it's not the answer. Embid was not the problem during the playoffs.

Sure buddy, our franchise player having 0 points 4th quarter meltdowns was not a problem at all. You can really win a championship that way.

[elchengue20]

Bro stop this ****. Plenty of player go until they're 38-39. You're debating semantics here. Embiid can easily go until 36-37 if he decides to take care of his body. Lots of players converted to a vegan diet etc. to help their body. You're not making a point here.

This must be one of the most delusional takes ive seen in a long time around here.

Im not debating semantics, they guy is going to be 31 next Playoff run and has never had a healthy season in his carreer. Thinking hes likely to have left 5+ years of elite level its just absurd. Best case scenario he gives us 2 or 3 more years, then hes going to decline fast (while earning supermax money).

And the other problem is that, even at his peak form, Embiid has strugled a lot offensively when it really matters. He has not proven to be a reliable #1 at all. Also he has not ECF nevermind Finals experience. So basically you are relying on a short window with a guy who probably still has some growing pains to face.

Sorry if some of us have critical thinking and we wonder if maybe thats not a great plan. You just are a Embiid fanboy it seems. Im a Sixers fan.

My hope is that as he ages Embiid changes his mindset to being more like Duncan or better yet Dirk in the latter part of his career, becoming more of a complimentary player than the "#1" that everyone believes he has to be.

This is a huge reason why I'd like to see Morey focus the team building on putting together a group that doesn't rely on Embiid on both ends to survive, one that won't self-destruct when this imaginary 'window' is 'closed', but is built to grow and last.

If Embiid continues to train and focus his game like he has been, I would agree with you that the decline will be fast and ugly. My hope for him and the Sixers is that he's smarter than that.

Sure he should focus more on defense and rebounding and on offense take what the defense gives him, but i don't think he can change the reckless way he plays. Duncan never played like that. And those things are very difficult to change at 30+years old.

Also Duncan took paycuts, he was not earning top money later on his carrer and the Spurs assembled a crazy team, got lucky with Khawi, had studs in Parker and Ginobli, HOF coaching, insane chemistry, multiple championship experience, it's nearly impossible to replicate that.

Dirk had 1 crazy run being the alpha and then the Mavs dissparead. I guess that's our only hope. We have a short window for that. Also Dirk always had much more of a finesse game, for logical reasons, and never had many health concerns.

Embiid, in this pace and space era, is going to start to have issues being run off the floor often in a couple of seasons when he starts declining a bit.

[Ferry Avenue]

Embiid is going to be 31 in the Playoffs, you know, when it really matters.

Bro stop this ****. Plenty of player go until they're 38-39. You're debating semantics here. Embiid can easily go until 36-37 if he decides to take care of his body. Lots of players converted to a vegan diet etc. to help their body. You're not making a point here.

This must be one of the most delusional takes ive seen in a long time around here.

Im not debating semantics, they guy is going to be 31 next Playoff run and has never had a healthy season in his carreer. Thinking hes likely to have left 5+ years of elite level its just absurd. Best case scenario he gives us 2 or 3 more years, then hes going to decline fast (while earning supermax money).

And the other problem is that, even at his peak form, Embiid has strugled a lot offensively when it really matters. He has not proven to be a reliable #1 at all. Also he has not ECF nevermind Finals experience. So basically you are relying on a short window with a guy who probably still has some growing pains to face.

Sorry if some of us have critical thinking and we wonder if maybe thats not a great plan. You just are a Embiid fanboy it seems. Im a Sixers fan.

And all of that, as well as the stuff I've said above here, focuses exclusively on Embiid's inadequacy in his role on the team in a physical sense. If we venture into the realm of his leadership and his emotional effect on the team, with him again being the player the team is organized around, we're in another territory altogether, and one that based on his history argues as well for his being supplanted by a player who is not only a three-level scorer who can create his own shot, but also one who functions as an emotional team leader.

Watch how Jalen Brunson plays and you'll see the kind of player I'm talking about here. He's a three-level scorer who can create his own shot AND the emotional leader of his team. I submit that generates a completely different identity for the Knicks than what the Sixers have. They're the toughest team in the league in large part because the guy leading them is highly driven and determined night in night out, and his physical performance is almost always consistent with that. You won't see Brunson taking the court with Embiid's periodic lethargy. Brunson could be blind and crippled and he wouldn't be an emotional ball and chain on his team.

[Mik317]

The Knicks also won two games last series with Brunson playing like hot ass.

But I guess he just willed the rest of the team into hitting shots and getting boards.

should have willed the team to beat the Pacers last night too....guess he ran out of emotional leader juice.

Biid is not a firey rah rah type guy. He lets his poor play and glass bones body get to his head too often. It is what it is.

The fact is that at this very moment in time and with what one can "predict" via FA, whats "realistically" available in trades, and certain facts...our best chance remains with Biid as a focus player IMO. Hell for the first time since Jimmy , he has a costar capable to carrying on nights in which he does go comatose. I just think there are other ways to solve our woes beyond the constant thirst for the nuclear start over option. Again this is the first offseason in a while that I haven't gone into with dread due to how the playoffs ended. I don't have much faith in Morey based off of his past moves but we didn't lose that series due to Biid or Maxey..both guys played well all things considered and since those two are probably the only locks to be back...thats hell of a lot better than past years of wondering if Ben would start shooting or if we should max out Harden.

Biid alone has made up a consistent 50 win team. We could not win at all without him this year. And the moment he sat in the playoffs...we **** became the worst team ever somehow. Has had flaws...and sometimes tough ones to overcome....and I get it the same song and dance every year gets old..so I get the angst but as of this very moment...I don't see any package that makes sense to trade him and even some of the ones I think won't get offered don't really move the needle any further than hoping for a flukey ass run w/ Biid. Chet and picks is cool but is Chet really a guy you build around and our recent luck of high draft picks doesn't exactly brim with confidence either...there is a chance we trade Biid for that package and Chet is Abraham Noel at best and we draft a bunch of Ben Simmons...and even if Biid doesn't win we will still be in the same or worse spot.

IMO you don't trade stars unless they ask to be traded....this weird fear of losing value is misguided imo. Biid is more valuable to us than he is to other teams at this stage even with his playoff demons. If he falls off a cliff..who gives a ****. I also think even a gimpy Biid raises a floor enough plus I think he'd simply retire anyway lol.

[eyeatoma]

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

Based on the fact that if he is healthy for one post season he likely makes the finals. He's the best player in the EAST easily, and at worst is a top 2 player league wide. This year he was clearly the best player in the league prior to getting injured during the season and despite his injuries, had the highest point average, PER, and on/OFF percentage during the playoffs.

Honestly, I’m done going back and forth with you on Embiid. The proof is in the pudding, dude just can’t get it done in the playoffs. I really don’t care if it’s because of injury or whatever else excuse you want to conjure up in your brain, the fact is it hasn’t happened PERIOD. And likely won’t if he doesn’t make some serious changes. Keep wishing upon a star though.

I've been waiting for you to say that a long time. We clearly don't agree, yet you just like to post your sarcastic comments every time I share something. It's probably for the best we don't interact with each other. Clearly neither one of us is able to convince the other. See ya...

[eyeatoma]

The Knicks also won two games last series with Brunson playing like hot ass.

But I guess he just willed the rest of the team into hitting shots and getting boards.

should have willed the team to beat the Pacers last night too....guess he ran out of emotional leader juice.

Biid is not a firey rah rah type guy. He lets his poor play and glass bones body get to his head too often. It is what it is.

The fact is that at this very moment in time and with what one can "predict" via FA, whats "realistically" available in trades, and certain facts...our best chance remains with Biid as a focus player IMO. Hell for the first time since Jimmy , he has a costar capable to carrying on nights in which he does go comatose. I just think there are other ways to solve our woes beyond the constant thirst for the nuclear start over option. Again this is the first offseason in a while that I haven't gone into with dread due to how the playoffs ended. I don't have much faith in Morey based off of his past moves but we didn't lose that series due to Biid or Maxey..both guys played well all things considered and since those two are probably the only locks to be back...thats hell of a lot better than past years of wondering if Ben would start shooting or if we should max out Harden.

Biid alone has made up a consistent 50 win team. We could not win at all without him this year. And the moment he sat in the playoffs...we **** became the worst team ever somehow. Has had flaws...and sometimes tough ones to overcome....and I get it the same song and dance every year gets old..so I get the angst but as of this very moment...I don't see any package that makes sense to trade him and even some of the ones I think won't get offered don't really move the needle any further than hoping for a flukey ass run w/ Biid. Chet and picks is cool but is Chet really a guy you build around and our recent luck of high draft picks doesn't exactly brim with confidence either...there is a chance we trade Biid for that package and Chet is Abraham Noel at best and we draft a bunch of Ben Simmons...and even if Biid doesn't win we will still be in the same or worse spot.

IMO you don't trade stars unless they ask to be traded....this weird fear of losing value is misguided imo. Biid is more valuable to us than he is to other teams at this stage even with his playoff demons. If he falls off a cliff..who gives a ****. I also think even a gimpy Biid raises a floor enough plus I think he'd simply retire anyway lol.

This always this. I'd rather be having higher odds of winning a chip, than feeling all warm and fuzzy because my superstar isn't injury prone. Only with that alternate, I don't have a superstar and have a much lower, or basically non-existant chance of winning.