Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[Beenie]

Rockets offered Jalen Green and several 1sts to the Nets (the Nets picks in the harden trade) for Bridges and they turned it down

That was in-season.

I wonder if they were presented with the same package today if they would have a change of heart.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Rockets offered Jalen Green and several 1sts to the Nets (the Nets picks in the harden trade) for Bridges and they turned it down

That was in-season.

I wonder if they were presented with the same package today if they would have a change of heart.

Possibly, just goes to show you there are some bad execs out there. Rockets for even offering that, Nets for turning it down. Have to take advantage of that

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[SA37]

league average TS% (for a guard) was 57%. Herro shot 56%. With a smarter shot selection Herro could definitely improve his TS%.

Well, here's to season 6 to hope for that change to finally happen!

How many more years do I have to keep reading about how these big changes are coming for Herro? Is it possible? Yes! Is it probable at this point... probably not, at least not in Miami.

The Heat aren't helping the process by putting the ball in his hands. The less he handles the ball, the better.

100%. He simply does not have the skills to be a full-time primary ball handler.

[SA37]

Vucevic and Caruso seem like more realistic targets to go after considering what we have to work with in trade. Riley telegraphed the offseason. He’s looking to strengthen the bench and get the right pieces around Bam and Butler. Going for a 43 million dollar Trae Young imo is not what he has in mind based off those comments.

I think sometimes people underestimate how big of an impact simply having a deep bench of quality well rounded players can have on a team's success.

I mean we’ve seen what happens just by adding good functional role players like Tucker, Iguodala, and Crowder has done. Problem is we’ve been stuck by not having the money to pay such good role players beyond a year or two. We have 50 million tied up on Herro and Robinson alone. I think there would be more value in having 4 mid level style role players for that amount.

Tucker and Crowder will be available this summer, fwiw.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Rockets offered Jalen Green and several 1sts to the Nets (the Nets picks in the harden trade) for Bridges and they turned it down

They have a good chance at adding a decent player this offseason with the monster expiring of Simmons. I would have taken the Rockets deal though but maybe they don't like Jalen Green. BK is a darkhorse to make a big trade happen. They have some recently young drafted players(Whitehead and Clowney, , picks, and 40 million of Simmons expiring to put in play.

Yea they might make a play for Trae

[SA37]

Rockets offered Jalen Green and several 1sts to the Nets (the Nets picks in the harden trade) for Bridges and they turned it down

They have a good chance at adding a decent player this offseason with the monster expiring of Simmons. I would have taken the Rockets deal though but maybe they don't like Jalen Green. BK is a darkhorse to make a big trade happen. They have some recently young drafted players(Whitehead and Clowney, , picks, and 40 million of Simmons expiring to put in play.

I know Houston had a great run towards the end of the season and Green played very well, but I don't blame the Nets for passing, especially with Cam Thomas on the roster. And, if that offer is actually correct, what does that say about what Houston thinks of Bridges relative to Green?

High-scoring guards are a dime a dozen, but excellent 2-way players are hard to find. Green is the first, Bridges is the latter.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Heat twitter loves to peddle in these type of jump through hoop trade scenarios. Ain’t no damn protections getting lifted. Feel like this is a every year thing. Can’t wait to finally pay out OKC so we can stop peddling in this. The Lakers trade sucks too btw.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Rockets offered Jalen Green and several 1sts to the Nets (the Nets picks in the harden trade) for Bridges and they turned it down

They have a good chance at adding a decent player this offseason with the monster expiring of Simmons. I would have taken the Rockets deal though but maybe they don't like Jalen Green. BK is a darkhorse to make a big trade happen. They have some recently young drafted players(Whitehead and Clowney, , picks, and 40 million of Simmons expiring to put in play.

I know Houston had a great run towards the end of the season and Green played very well, but I don't blame the Nets for passing, especially with Cam Thomas on the roster. And, if that offer is actually correct, what does that say about what Houston thinks of Bridges relative to Green?

High-scoring guards are a dime a dozen, but excellent 2-way players are hard to find. Green is the first, Bridges is the latter.

So you trade you future all star level 3 level scorer that fits the timeline of your other young guys perfectly and is also currently your best player more than likely at 21 years old this season and several 1st to get Mikal Bridges who will be a 28 year old role player next season, what is that getting you realistically? You just traded majority of your assets and a big part of your future for a role player and now have him FVV and Dillon brooks on the books for $90M, you’re not winning anything with that, you might sneak in the play in tourney at 10

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Heat twitter loves to peddle in these type of jump through hoop trade scenarios. Ain’t no damn protections getting lifted. Feel like this is a every year thing. Can’t wait to finally pay out OKC so we can stop peddling in this. The Lakers trade sucks too btw.

And there isn’t a Caruso and Vucevic trade happening either my guy but they’re all options worth discussing. If the Cavs were down to send Mitchell here but they wanted a specific pick and we had to send out a 2nd to lift protections you don’t think Miami is doing that? If not Pat might be more washed than we all thought, and trust me deep down we all think it

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I actually don’t mind bridges, I think he’s a douche when
You’re playing against him but I’d trade Herro and a 1st to get him here in a heartbeat, especially if we had a Trae or Mitchell here which he would fit perfectly with in the backcourt. Unfortunately he’s INSANELY overvalued while
Proving to be nothing more than a 3 and D guy on winning teams

[SA37]

They have a good chance at adding a decent player this offseason with the monster expiring of Simmons. I would have taken the Rockets deal though but maybe they don't like Jalen Green. BK is a darkhorse to make a big trade happen. They have some recently young drafted players(Whitehead and Clowney, , picks, and 40 million of Simmons expiring to put in play.

I know Houston had a great run towards the end of the season and Green played very well, but I don't blame the Nets for passing, especially with Cam Thomas on the roster. And, if that offer is actually correct, what does that say about what Houston thinks of Bridges relative to Green?

High-scoring guards are a dime a dozen, but excellent 2-way players are hard to find. Green is the first, Bridges is the latter.

So you trade you future all star level 3 level scorer that fits the timeline of your other young guys perfectly and is also currently your best player more than likely at 21 years old this season and several 1st to get Mikal Bridges who will be a 28 year old role player next season, what is that getting you realistically? You just traded majority of your assets and a big part of your future for a role player and now have him FVV and Dillon brooks on the books for $90M, you’re not winning anything with that, you might sneak in the play in tourney at 10

Meh, the idea of having 4-5 guys all in their early 20s and growing and playing together and turning into contenders is usually more of a fantasy than reality. OKC has been the exception to that, but then we saw what happened in their first go at it with Westbrook, Ibaka, Durant, and Harden.

Young teams don't usually win. You need experienced guys, and Bridges fits that better than Green.

Sengun (21) - Adams (30) - Landale (28)
Smith (21) - Jeff Green (ancient)
Bridges (28) - Thompson (21)
Brooks (28) - Whitmore (21)
FVV (30) - ???

That team is basically a backup PG away from having incredible depth + a fabulous mix of young/experience.

I'd go into FA and grab PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder, or Robert Convington to replace Jeff Green and then hunt for a backup PG.

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Heat twitter loves to peddle in these type of jump through hoop trade scenarios. Ain’t no damn protections getting lifted. Feel like this is a every year thing. Can’t wait to finally pay out OKC so we can stop peddling in this. The Lakers trade sucks too btw.

And there isn’t a Caruso and Vucevic trade happening either my guy but they’re all options worth discussing. If the Cavs were down to send Mitchell here but they wanted a specific pick and we had to send out a 2nd to lift protections you don’t think Miami is doing that? If not Pat might be more washed than we all thought, and trust me deep down we all think it

It’s not that i think Pat is washed. I just think we are handcuffed due to previous trades that were made and some bad contracts that were given out. If we really want to be players in this star trade market we need a lot more than what we currently have.

For me this only happens if you trade Butler for picks. Our cap situation is also garbage as well. The reasons are right in front of your face on why we continue to lose out in these big deals.

The path to trading for Vucevic and Caruso seems alot more realistic considering both players are in their 30’s and Caruso is an upcoming free agent. The price for these players does not involve the magical draft pick trade hoops like some of these other proposed deals.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Considering Chicago’s very big Serbian community I could see them gushing at the chance of getting someone like Jovic in a possible rebuild. Between Herro and Jovic I feel like we have the basis of getting something big done with the Bulls. Whether it be straight up or involving a third team. For me Chicago’s non existent window has closed and that means cashing in on players like Vucevic and Caruso for younger players on there new time line.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I know Houston had a great run towards the end of the season and Green played very well, but I don't blame the Nets for passing, especially with Cam Thomas on the roster. And, if that offer is actually correct, what does that say about what Houston thinks of Bridges relative to Green?

High-scoring guards are a dime a dozen, but excellent 2-way players are hard to find. Green is the first, Bridges is the latter.

So you trade you future all star level 3 level scorer that fits the timeline of your other young guys perfectly and is also currently your best player more than likely at 21 years old this season and several 1st to get Mikal Bridges who will be a 28 year old role player next season, what is that getting you realistically? You just traded majority of your assets and a big part of your future for a role player and now have him FVV and Dillon brooks on the books for $90M, you’re not winning anything with that, you might sneak in the play in tourney at 10

Meh, the idea of having 4-5 guys all in their early 20s and growing and playing together and turning into contenders is usually more of a fantasy than reality. OKC has been the exception to that, but then we saw what happened in their first go at it with Westbrook, Ibaka, Durant, and Harden.

Young teams don't usually win. You need experienced guys, and Bridges fits that better than Green.

Sengun (21) - Adams (30) - Landale (28)
Smith (21) - Jeff Green (ancient)
Bridges (28) - Thompson (21)
Brooks (28) - Whitmore (21)
FVV (30) - ???

That team is basically a backup PG away from having incredible depth + a fabulous mix of young/experience.

I'd go into FA and grab PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder, or Robert Convington to replace Jeff Green and then hunt for a backup PG.

You let them grow and gain experience together GS did it; OKC didn’t work out because bad executive decisions to let Harden go.

That team is literally a play in team at best, why would you send your 22 year old arguably best player and picks away for that? That just doesn’t make sense. Mikal bridges and FVV are going to lead you to a championship? Sengun is nice but he’s not at that level either

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat twitter loves to peddle in these type of jump through hoop trade scenarios. Ain’t no damn protections getting lifted. Feel like this is a every year thing. Can’t wait to finally pay out OKC so we can stop peddling in this. The Lakers trade sucks too btw.

And there isn’t a Caruso and Vucevic trade happening either my guy but they’re all options worth discussing. If the Cavs were down to send Mitchell here but they wanted a specific pick and we had to send out a 2nd to lift protections you don’t think Miami is doing that? If not Pat might be more washed than we all thought, and trust me deep down we all think it

It’s not that i think Pat is washed. I just think we are handcuffed due to previous trades that were made and some bad contracts that were given out. If we really want to be players in this star trade market we need a lot more than what we currently have.

For me this only happens if you trade Butler for picks. Our cap situation is also garbage as well. The reasons are right in front of your face on why we continue to lose out in these big deals.

The path to trading for Vucevic and Caruso seems alot more realistic considering both players are in their 30’s and Caruso is an upcoming free agent. The price for these players does not involve the magical draft pick trade hoops like some of these other proposed deals.

You just these me bad FO decisions that tell us our front office isn’t good.

Bulls wanted 2 1sts minimum for Caruso at the deadline, reports are they still want to compete next year. Vucevic doesn’t fit what Spo wants, regardless of what we may want or like Spo doesn’t. I wouldn’t mind the trade, I just don’t see it happening for several reason. Hell they may have a higher price tag on Caruso than Atlanta has on Trae, we already know the Nets value a much lesser player in Bridges more than the Hawks value Trae.

Maybe we need to trade for JG if that offer for Bridges was legit.

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The Bulls have this same line of thinking and also want him back, it’s said they both want to compete next year. You can’t do anything about players and organizations being delusional to a fault. Caruso impacts winning more than Herro, they have a far better version of Herro in Lavine. It’s rumored they both think it’s time to move on but that doesn’t mean a deal will get done.

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The Bulls have this same line of thinking and also want him back, it’s said they both want to compete next year. You can’t do anything about players and organizations being delusional to a fault. Caruso impacts winning more than Herro, they have a far better version of Herro in Lavine. It’s rumored they both think it’s time to move on but that doesn’t mean a deal will get done.

DeRozan looking to cash in on one last big pay day and the Bulls are probably the only team that can offer that to him. I hate being caught between a rock and a hard place. Phuck man. I still think Herro and Jovic are players that would interest the Bulls with the hope of moving on from LaVine and drafting a Center at 11 moving on from Vucevic.

[SA37]

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So you trade you future all star level 3 level scorer that fits the timeline of your other young guys perfectly and is also currently your best player more than likely at 21 years old this season and several 1st to get Mikal Bridges who will be a 28 year old role player next season, what is that getting you realistically? You just traded majority of your assets and a big part of your future for a role player and now have him FVV and Dillon brooks on the books for $90M, you’re not winning anything with that, you might sneak in the play in tourney at 10

Meh, the idea of having 4-5 guys all in their early 20s and growing and playing together and turning into contenders is usually more of a fantasy than reality. OKC has been the exception to that, but then we saw what happened in their first go at it with Westbrook, Ibaka, Durant, and Harden.

Young teams don't usually win. You need experienced guys, and Bridges fits that better than Green.

Sengun (21) - Adams (30) - Landale (28)
Smith (21) - Jeff Green (ancient)
Bridges (28) - Thompson (21)
Brooks (28) - Whitmore (21)
FVV (30) - ???

That team is basically a backup PG away from having incredible depth + a fabulous mix of young/experience.

I'd go into FA and grab PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder, or Robert Convington to replace Jeff Green and then hunt for a backup PG.

You let them grow and gain experience together GS did it; OKC didn’t work out because bad executive decisions to let Harden go.

That team is literally a play in team at best, why would you send your 22 year old arguably best player and picks away for that? That just doesn’t make sense. Mikal bridges and FVV are going to lead you to a championship? Sengun is nice but he’s not at that level either

Golden St is a good example of it working out, but that is the exception, not the rule, imo. Recall the Mavs (Kidd, Mashburn, Jackson), the Clippers (Miles, Richardson, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand), the Bulls (Chandler, Curry, Crawford), Boston (Pierce, Walker) + (Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins), Minnesota (Garnett, Marbury, Gugliotta, Joe Smith), Milwuakee (Glenn Robinson, Ray Allen, Vin Baker)...etc.

I get where you're coming from, but I think your "window" is a decade, but most teams can only be expected to play in a window of ~3-5 years, and Bridges would fit there with Brooks and FVV. And certainly there is a risk that Green blows up and Bridges never becomes the guy Houston thinks he could be and Houston never produces a championship with a roster sans Green.

In any case, they apparently made a huge bid to try to go with Bridges.

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The Bulls have this same line of thinking and also want him back, it’s said they both want to compete next year. You can’t do anything about players and organizations being delusional to a fault. Caruso impacts winning more than Herro, they have a far better version of Herro in Lavine. It’s rumored they both think it’s time to move on but that doesn’t mean a deal will get done.

DeRozan looking to cash in on one last big pay day and the Bulls are probably the only team that can offer that to him. I hate being caught between a rock and a hard place. Phuck man. I still think Herro and Jovic are players that would interest the Bulls with the hope of moving on from LaVine and drafting a Center at 11 moving on from Vucevic.

I’d be happy to get Lavine, just hate having to pray for players to stay healthy all the time tbh lol. Just over that. Would be the best guard we’ve had since Wade though