The Bulls have this same line of thinking and also want him back, it’s said they both want to compete next year. You can’t do anything about players and organizations being delusional to a fault. Caruso impacts winning more than Herro, they have a far better version of Herro in Lavine. It’s rumored they both think it’s time to move on but that doesn’t mean a deal will get done.
DeRozan looking to cash in on one last big pay day and the Bulls are probably the only team that can offer that to him. I hate being caught between a rock and a hard place. Phuck man. I still think Herro and Jovic are players that would interest the Bulls with the hope of moving on from LaVine and drafting a Center at 11 moving on from Vucevic.
I’d be happy to get Lavine, just hate having to pray for players to stay healthy all the time tbh lol. Just over that. Would be the best guard we’ve had since Wade though
Just that Klutch issue though. Maybe we can facilitate something on a 3 way deal. I feel like after what Herro did to them they would be highly interested in having him replace LaVine. Pistons are the last team to have interest in LaVine and could be a perfect third team to take on his salary.
Just reading through some Spurs forums and apparently they hate dealing with Klutch just as much as we do lol. One wrote about Keldon Johnson that they can't wait to get rid of the last Klutch client they have there hahaha. Makes it almost a little comical of the recent rumblings of Garland to the Spurs.
Feel like the Spurs are smokescreening a bit about the lack of interest in Trae Young. Young just recently left Klutch for CAA. I think they have Mitchell at the top of there list then comes Trae Young. If the Cavs patch things up with Klutch then they can trade Mitchell to the Spurs for Keldon Johnson, pieces, and a good amount of draft picks.
SA37 wrote: Meh, the idea of having 4-5 guys all in their early 20s and growing and playing together and turning into contenders is usually more of a fantasy than reality. OKC has been the exception to that, but then we saw what happened in their first go at it with Westbrook, Ibaka, Durant, and Harden.
Young teams don't usually win. You need experienced guys, and Bridges fits that better than Green.
Sengun (21) - Adams (30) - Landale (28) Smith (21) - Jeff Green (ancient) Bridges (28) - Thompson (21) Brooks (28) - Whitmore (21) FVV (30) - ???
That team is basically a backup PG away from having incredible depth + a fabulous mix of young/experience.
I'd go into FA and grab PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder, or Robert Convington to replace Jeff Green and then hunt for a backup PG.
You let them grow and gain experience together GS did it; OKC didn’t work out because bad executive decisions to let Harden go.
That team is literally a play in team at best, why would you send your 22 year old arguably best player and picks away for that? That just doesn’t make sense. Mikal bridges and FVV are going to lead you to a championship? Sengun is nice but he’s not at that level either
Golden St is a good example of it working out, but that is the exception, not the rule, imo. Recall the Mavs (Kidd, Mashburn, Jackson), the Clippers (Miles, Richardson, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand), the Bulls (Chandler, Curry, Crawford), Boston (Pierce, Walker) + (Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins), Minnesota (Garnett, Marbury, Gugliotta, Joe Smith), Milwuakee (Glenn Robinson, Ray Allen, Vin Baker)...etc.
I get where you're coming from, but I think your "window" is a decade, but most teams can only be expected to play in a window of ~3-5 years, and Bridges would fit there with Brooks and FVV. And certainly there is a risk that Green blows up and Bridges never becomes the guy Houston thinks he could be and Houston never produces a championship with a roster sans Green.
In any case, they apparently made a huge bid to try to go with Bridges.
I see what you mean, I just don’t think Bridges is the guy you send all that for as he’s not leading you to anything, is that roster much better than what he’s had in Brooklyn? Maybe, but not too much.
JG and 2-3 1sts is the package you should be throwing at Donovan Mitchell type guys, not someone who’s likely the 4th best player MAYBE 3rd on a championship team. Unless you already had those other guys in place and truly believed he was the final piece to put you over the top, then maybe you can justify it.
Actually now that I think about it, if Mitchell asks out he’s likely traded at less value than JG and 3 1sts, he’s definitely traded for less than what Brooklyn has Bridges valued at as we’ve heard they’ve turned down offers of 4 and maybe even 5 1sts for him. Just wild to see how situation and just who’s working your front office have different valuations of players
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Feel like the Spurs are smokescreening a bit about the lack of interest in Trae Young. Young just recently left Klutch for CAA. I think they have Mitchell at the top of there list then comes Trae Young. If the Cavs patch things up with Klutch then they can trade Mitchell to the Spurs for Keldon Johnson, pieces, and a good amount of draft picks.
Apparently they really like the idea of bringing Dejounte back, maybe Hawks just go full blown rebuild this summer with the 1 and maybe 4th and 8 picks lol. They honestly probably should. Keep Jalen Johnson and Onyeka, I’m sure there’s other good young talent already there im forgetting
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Heat twitter loves to peddle in these type of jump through hoop trade scenarios. Ain’t no damn protections getting lifted. Feel like this is a every year thing. Can’t wait to finally pay out OKC so we can stop peddling in this. The Lakers trade sucks too btw.
And there isn’t a Caruso and Vucevic trade happening either my guy but they’re all options worth discussing. If the Cavs were down to send Mitchell here but they wanted a specific pick and we had to send out a 2nd to lift protections you don’t think Miami is doing that? If not Pat might be more washed than we all thought, and trust me deep down we all think it
It’s not that i think Pat is washed. I just think we are handcuffed due to previous trades that were made and some bad contracts that were given out. If we really want to be players in this star trade market we need a lot more than what we currently have.
For me this only happens if you trade Butler for picks. Our cap situation is also garbage as well. The reasons are right in front of your face on why we continue to lose out in these big deals.
The path to trading for Vucevic and Caruso seems alot more realistic considering both players are in their 30’s and Caruso is an upcoming free agent. The price for these players does not involve the magical draft pick trade hoops like some of these other proposed deals.
Man...I swear the more I hear the more I want to go full youth movement and rebuild...
3ammy3uck3ts wrote: And there isn’t a Caruso and Vucevic trade happening either my guy but they’re all options worth discussing. If the Cavs were down to send Mitchell here but they wanted a specific pick and we had to send out a 2nd to lift protections you don’t think Miami is doing that? If not Pat might be more washed than we all thought, and trust me deep down we all think it
It’s not that i think Pat is washed. I just think we are handcuffed due to previous trades that were made and some bad contracts that were given out. If we really want to be players in this star trade market we need a lot more than what we currently have.
For me this only happens if you trade Butler for picks. Our cap situation is also garbage as well. The reasons are right in front of your face on why we continue to lose out in these big deals.
The path to trading for Vucevic and Caruso seems alot more realistic considering both players are in their 30’s and Caruso is an upcoming free agent. The price for these players does not involve the magical draft pick trade hoops like some of these other proposed deals.
Man...I swear the more I hear the more I want to go full youth movement and rebuild...
What are we even doing at this point........
Been eyeballing the Pistons roster and wonder if we have a move of Herro to the Pistons for Beef Stew and other pieces. They had interest in LaVine last year. Maybe a possible 3 teamer that gets us Stew and moves LaVine to the Pistons and Herro to the Bulls? I'm highly intrigued by Stewart's fit with Bam and added much needed toughness to the front court. Looks like he added a 3 ball to his game too.
Funny this article has 1.Mitchell 2.Caruso and 3. Beef Stew as top 3 trade targets. Instead of Vucevic give me Beef Stew all day with Caruso included. 3 team trade between Bulls, Pistons, and Heat.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote: And there isn’t a Caruso and Vucevic trade happening either my guy but they’re all options worth discussing. If the Cavs were down to send Mitchell here but they wanted a specific pick and we had to send out a 2nd to lift protections you don’t think Miami is doing that? If not Pat might be more washed than we all thought, and trust me deep down we all think it
It’s not that i think Pat is washed. I just think we are handcuffed due to previous trades that were made and some bad contracts that were given out. If we really want to be players in this star trade market we need a lot more than what we currently have.
For me this only happens if you trade Butler for picks. Our cap situation is also garbage as well. The reasons are right in front of your face on why we continue to lose out in these big deals.
The path to trading for Vucevic and Caruso seems alot more realistic considering both players are in their 30’s and Caruso is an upcoming free agent. The price for these players does not involve the magical draft pick trade hoops like some of these other proposed deals.
Man...I swear the more I hear the more I want to go full youth movement and rebuild...
What are we even doing at this point........
Yeah, until we get our alpha, this team is stuck on mid.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Feel like the Spurs are smokescreening a bit about the lack of interest in Trae Young. Young just recently left Klutch for CAA. I think they have Mitchell at the top of there list then comes Trae Young. If the Cavs patch things up with Klutch then they can trade Mitchell to the Spurs for Keldon Johnson, pieces, and a good amount of draft picks.
Funny this article has 1.Mitchell 2.Caruso and 3. Beef Stew as top 3 trade targets. Instead of Vucevic give me Beef Stew all day with Caruso included. 3 team trade between Bulls, Pistons, and Heat.
we are wasting time if we think we can get Mitchell.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote: You let them grow and gain experience together GS did it; OKC didn’t work out because bad executive decisions to let Harden go.
That team is literally a play in team at best, why would you send your 22 year old arguably best player and picks away for that? That just doesn’t make sense. Mikal bridges and FVV are going to lead you to a championship? Sengun is nice but he’s not at that level either
Golden St is a good example of it working out, but that is the exception, not the rule, imo. Recall the Mavs (Kidd, Mashburn, Jackson), the Clippers (Miles, Richardson, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand), the Bulls (Chandler, Curry, Crawford), Boston (Pierce, Walker) + (Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins), Minnesota (Garnett, Marbury, Gugliotta, Joe Smith), Milwuakee (Glenn Robinson, Ray Allen, Vin Baker)...etc.
I get where you're coming from, but I think your "window" is a decade, but most teams can only be expected to play in a window of ~3-5 years, and Bridges would fit there with Brooks and FVV. And certainly there is a risk that Green blows up and Bridges never becomes the guy Houston thinks he could be and Houston never produces a championship with a roster sans Green.
In any case, they apparently made a huge bid to try to go with Bridges.
I see what you mean, I just don’t think Bridges is the guy you send all that for as he’s not leading you to anything, is that roster much better than what he’s had in Brooklyn? Maybe, but not too much.
JG and 2-3 1sts is the package you should be throwing at Donovan Mitchell type guys, not someone who’s likely the 4th best player MAYBE 3rd on a championship team. Unless you already had those other guys in place and truly believed he was the final piece to put you over the top, then maybe you can justify it.
Actually now that I think about it, if Mitchell asks out he’s likely traded at less value than JG and 3 1sts, he’s definitely traded for less than what Brooklyn has Bridges valued at as we’ve heard they’ve turned down offers of 4 and maybe even 5 1sts for him. Just wild to see how situation and just who’s working your front office have different valuations of players
All I can tell you is Brooklyn apparently turned down that offer and apparently Houston offered it, which means both organizations think much more highly of Bridges than you do. Whether that assessment is correct or not, is another matter. We've seen some pretty crazy trades happen in recent years for guys like Jrue Holiday or Rudy Gobert, both of whom, imo, are vastly overrated, absolutely overpaid role players who are at-best the 3rd options on a contender.
I'd also point out that acquiring stars has its risks. Kevin Durant, James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, and Kyrie Irving have all come with enormous baggage and have not really lifted their respective franchises for a variety of reasons. Ben Simmons is not a star, but is another poisoned chalice that has been involved in big trades.
Sometimes weird, unexpected stuff happens. Did anyone expect Brunson to ever do what he's done in NY? He, DiVincenzo, and Jason Hart aren't your typical Big 3, but damn are they having a run! Look what Derrick White has done in Boston. Look how Coby White exploded in Chicago. Jamal Murray in Denver is another example. Chauncey Billups in Detroit (I mean, generally that whole squad). Look at Orlando's squad this year ffs. How did they finish 5th!?!??! Look at Austin Reaves in LA.
Sometimes you get a player in a different system and surrounded by a more fitting group of role players or next to a different star and magic happens.
Funny this article has 1.Mitchell 2.Caruso and 3. Beef Stew as top 3 trade targets. Instead of Vucevic give me Beef Stew all day with Caruso included. 3 team trade between Bulls, Pistons, and Heat.
we are wasting time if we think we can get Mitchell.
It’s become an exercise in futility year after year considering our assets. It’s time to move on and look for players and situations that are under the radar moves but could help us a ton. We get strung along every offseason until everything dries up and we are just left running it back. Maybe it’s player availability with Dru Smith and Cain that the front office rolls with after they pretend to be able to outbid these teams lol
I want this team to become mean and nastier again. Feel like we’ve become so soft. Not the identity a Heat team should have. Get this team some dogs to compliment Bam and Butler. Isaiah Stewart is a great target to add some of that dynamic to the front line. Devin Carter in the draft to add to the backcourt is another one.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Heat twitter loves to peddle in these type of jump through hoop trade scenarios. Ain’t no damn protections getting lifted. Feel like this is a every year thing. Can’t wait to finally pay out OKC so we can stop peddling in this. The Lakers trade sucks too btw.
And there isn’t a Caruso and Vucevic trade happening either my guy but they’re all options worth discussing. If the Cavs were down to send Mitchell here but they wanted a specific pick and we had to send out a 2nd to lift protections you don’t think Miami is doing that? If not Pat might be more washed than we all thought, and trust me deep down we all think it
It’s not that i think Pat is washed. I just think we are handcuffed due to previous trades that were made and some bad contracts that were given out. If we really want to be players in this star trade market we need a lot more than what we currently have.
For me this only happens if you trade Butler for picks. Our cap situation is also garbage as well. The reasons are right in front of your face on why we continue to lose out in these big deals.
The path to trading for Vucevic and Caruso seems alot more realistic considering both players are in their 30’s and Caruso is an upcoming free agent. The price for these players does not involve the magical draft pick trade hoops like some of these other proposed deals.
I’m just thinking if we honestly are trying to make big moves why in the world did we do the Terry trade? Terry right now won’t get you a first or an expiring. If the idea was to go whale hunting, keeping Lowry for a trade and giving him a one year extension and the pick have more value than Terry. This trade feels like another front office mistake.
contract wrote:I think sometimes people underestimate how big of an impact simply having a deep bench of quality well rounded players can have on a team's success.
I mean we’ve seen what happens just by adding good functional role players like Tucker, Iguodala, and Crowder has done. Problem is we’ve been stuck by not having the money to pay such good role players beyond a year or two. We have 50 million tied up on Herro and Robinson alone. I think there would be more value in having 4 mid level style role players for that amount.
Tucker and Crowder will be available this summer, fwiw.
Tucker is 39 years old. We don't need to get older. And Tucker isn't a dummy. He's opting in on his player option.
Trae Wright Butler Richardson Ingram ??? Bam Highsmith Valanciunas Love
Heat fans say ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! We do NOT want 4 all stars here that actually compliment each other well,‘especially when we have Jamal Cain and Aldones Williams waiting in the pipeline looking to take big steps next season!!!
