Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[Frichuela]

If SAS wants to get the #2 pick (to take Topic or Zach R.), I think a deal can be had. The baseline compensation is a future first to move up in that portion of the draft. Would you take a future first in a trade down from 2 to 4?

Yep. This trade is quite a plausible scenario if SAS is in love with someone at #2...

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how about 2 & 26 (plus 51 if necessary) for the Blazers' 7, 14, 34 & 40??

[DCZards]

If SAS wants to get the #2 pick (to take Topic or Zach R.), I think a deal can be had. The baseline compensation is a future first to move up in that portion of the draft. Would you take a future first in a trade down from 2 to 4?

Yep. This trade is quite a plausible scenario if SAS is in love with someone at #2...

…SA would only make the trade if they were convinced that Houston is going to take the guy they want with the third pick. Otherwise, SA takes their guy with #4.

[AFM]

If SAS wants to get the #2 pick (to take Topic or Zach R.), I think a deal can be had. The baseline compensation is a future first to move up in that portion of the draft. Would you take a future first in a trade down from 2 to 4?

Yep. This trade is quite a plausible scenario if SAS is in love with someone at #2...

On the contrary if an org like SAS wants someone at #2 desperately we should just draft that prospect ourselves...

[9 and 20]

Saw the discussion on the trade board about a Kuz/Giddey swap.

Is this getting us to 30 wins - Giddey/Poole/Kispert/Deni/Clingan, plus Bilal on the bench? Could tank the end of the season to get us below 30 and in high lottery range.

[tontoz]

If SAS wants to get the #2 pick (to take Topic or Zach R.), I think a deal can be had. The baseline compensation is a future first to move up in that portion of the draft. Would you take a future first in a trade down from 2 to 4?

Yep. This trade is quite a plausible scenario if SAS is in love with someone at #2...

On the contrary if an org like SAS wants someone at #2 desperately we should just draft that prospect ourselves...

That's the first thing that came to mind for me.

[tontoz]

Saw the discussion on the trade board about a Kuz/Giddey swap.

Is this getting us to 30 wins - Giddey/Poole/Kispert/Deni/Clingan, plus Bilal on the bench? Could tank the end of the season to get us below 30 and in high lottery range.

Not interested in Giddey. He's been in the league 3 years and still can't shoot. Not very athletic either.

[badinage]

I’d like to have him. He can play. And he moves the ball.

A change of scenery would be good for him. Before the not-scandal, he was playing very well.

I especially like the idea of a trade if we go for a forward or center in the draft.

[penbeast0]

Saw the discussion on the trade board about a Kuz/Giddey swap.

Is this getting us to 30 wins - Giddey/Poole/Kispert/Deni/Clingan, plus Bilal on the bench? Could tank the end of the season to get us below 30 and in high lottery range.

Hopefully not; I want to tank and get a centerpiece and Poole is not that.

That said, in 3 years, Giddey has a chance to improve to a good starter; Kuzma will be starting his NBA decline. That age difference is the key for me.

[tontoz]

I’d like to have him. He can play. And he moves the ball.

A change of scenery would be good for him. Before the not-scandal, he was playing very well.

I especially like the idea of a trade if we go for a forward or center in the draft.

No, he really wasn't. His best month of the season by far was in March long after the investigation.

The first 18 games of the year he was averaging 12 pts 4 assists with a sub 50% TS. December was better but still weak. I watched OKC several times on LP.

[NatP4]

I still like Jovic+#15+filler for Kuzma.

Jovic was 4th in EPM for u21 players this year behind Wemby, Lively, and Amen Thompson. Has the size to play PF moving forward.

Jovic per 36 age 20(896 minutes): 14.1 points 7.7 rebounds 3.6 assists 1.0 steals 0.6 blocks 58.3% TS

Avdija per 36 age 20(1257 minutes): 9.8 points 7.5 rebounds 1.8 assists 0.9 steals 0.4 blocks 51.5% TS

3 Serbian players on the roster after you take Topic to pair with Vukcevic and Jovic.

#15 overall all but ensures that you can take Pacome Dadiet, even after he rises up the boards in June (after the global combine in Italy). #26 is either Daron Holmes or KJ Simpson for me. I'm trading up a few spots to get Holmes if he ends up going in the 15-25 range before our pick.

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Saw the discussion on the trade board about a Kuz/Giddey swap.

Is this getting us to 30 wins - Giddey/Poole/Kispert/Deni/Clingan, plus Bilal on the bench? Could tank the end of the season to get us below 30 and in high lottery range.

Not interested in Giddey. He's been in the league 3 years and still can't shoot. Not very athletic either.

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He's as good a shooter as Kuz -- & better by far at everything else.

I'd make that trade in a minute!

[tontoz]

Giddey coming off the bench now because Dallas wasn't guarding him. over the last 4 games he has played 12 minutes per game.

[gambitx777]

Giddey coming off the bench now because Dallas wasn't guarding him. over the last 4 games he has played 12 minutes per game.

In today's NBA if you can't hold a defender attention you can't play in the play offs.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

What about a Tyus S&T with Spurs?

SA is looking for a vet PG that can run the team and feed Wembanyama. They have Tre Jones, but Tyus is better. If they dont trade for Trea Young, this could fill their need. Even if they draft a rookie pg, a high assist low TO vet like Jones is good to have for a young team with playoff aspirations. They'd have a PG depth of the Jones brothers + rookie, if they draft a PG.

SA is under the cap, so they can take Jones without us taking back salary. SA in addition to their two 1st round picks also has two 2nd rounders 35 & 48. They address their PG need, Wizards get high 2nd rounder for Tyus to add a good young prospect to help continue their rebuild. Tyus goes to lead a talented young team for a playoff push & play with his brother.

Maybe work in Johnny Davis who is best served IMO for a fresh start. They have PG Blake Wesley from same draft not doing much with them, but might have some upside, and would get buried if they draft another PG.

Tyus (S&T) + Johnny Davis + pick 51 for Wesley + picks 35 & 48.

[tontoz]

What about a Tyus S&T with Spurs?

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The Spurs already have his brother Tre. Same story good on offense lousy on D. They have two picks in the top 10 one of them is sure to be a pg.

[nate33]

Saw the discussion on the trade board about a Kuz/Giddey swap.

Is this getting us to 30 wins - Giddey/Poole/Kispert/Deni/Clingan, plus Bilal on the bench? Could tank the end of the season to get us below 30 and in high lottery range.

Not interested in Giddey. He's been in the league 3 years and still can't shoot. Not very athletic either.

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He's as good a shooter as Kuz

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement that reveals a total absence of experience watching Giddey. Giddey is a terrible shooter and only shoots WIDE OPEN shots that opposing defenses intentionally yield because they would rather have Giddey shoot wide open than anyone else shoot a contested shot.

Giddey's rebounding is also inflated because he plays the power forward position by default since OKC plays small. It also matters that their center is about 195 pounds and can't rebound very well, allowing more rebounds to fall to Giddey.

Giddey is an exceptional passer, but that's really all he is good at. He is a terrible shooter and a bad defender. He doesn't get to the free throw line and he can't break his man down off the dribble His passing skills are nice in a "connector" role, but that's just not enough to be worth enduring his negative impact on spacing and defense. Basically, he needs the ball in his hands to be effective, but he is not effective enough with the ball in his hands to be better than other options. There's a reason he is being played off the floor in the playoffs.

Kuzma is unquestionably a better and more useful player than Giddey. Any trade for Giddey is a bet that he'll get better in the future. He is still very young. But ultimately, I don't think his upside is very high. If he can improve his 3-point shot enough that defenses need to guard him, it may open a pathway for him to be a secondary-attack threat against an off-balance defense, but that's still not that great of an outcome. He would be a below-average defender and an average at best offensive player.

[DCZards]

I’m sure OKC wished they had Kuz in the series against Dallas rather than Giddey. OKC desperately needed another big body to help on the boards (where they got crushed) and could have used another offensive threat to take some of the load and attention off of SGA.

Giddey gives them neither of those things while Kuz would have helped in both areas.

In addition, Kuz would have given the young Thunder team a vet with a ring and championship experience.

[gesa2]

Darryl Morey historically has pursued stars and scrubs as a team building model. I can’t see him valuing Kuz unless everything falls apart with his other plans, and that would happen well after the draft

Philly has to fill out the roster with some role players. The only guys they actually have under contract for next year are Embiid, Reed and Council and the latter two are cheap.

Right. Honestly we are perfect trade partners. Philly doesn’t have a lot of trade assets and are in win now mode. They’re not going to get a superstar for the #16 pick. But they can get Kuzma, who is in his prime in a good contract, has experience playing for a championship team, and is a versatile player who would be a perfect 3rd scorer with Embiid and Maxey.

As far as role players, we can throw in any of Jones (S&T), Shamet, Holmes, Bagley, if they want.

But they have no matching salary for Kuz, so they’re not just trading the pick but all of their cap space too. They’ve been setting this up for the last 2 years, not gonna use it for this crew without trying free agency first

[mhd]

My latest:

Wiz trades: Kuzma+Davis+26 for 11+15+Gabe Vincent+Lonzo (expiring)+Vanderbilt (expiring)
Chicago trades: Lonzo (expiring)+11 for Kuzma+17
Miami trades: Robinson+15 for Davis
Lakers trade: Vincent+Vanderbilt+17 for Robinson+26

Why for the Wizards?
1). They move up from 26 to 15 in essence while also getting 11 to take more bites at the apple for getting young talent. They are the NBA's feeder team for unwanted contracts (in this case, Gabe Vincent's bad deal).

Why for the Bulls?
1). Well, they don't seem to want to rebuild. Kuzma gets them a productive player at the cost of the unreliable Lonzo, while moving down 6 slots in the draft.

Why for the Heat?
1). Simple. They duck the tax big time. The cost of shedding salary to duck the tax is a mid first rounder (See the Kemba Walker trade from years ago from Boston).
2). Maybe Davis shows sometime other than being the big time bust that he's been in Washington.

Why for the Lakers?
1). They rid themselves of Vincent while getting a sharpshooter in Duncan Robinson. Moving down from 17 to 26 in this draft isn't that big of a difference.