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ATL - OKC - TOR 

Post#1 » by Thaddy » Sun May 19, 2024 11:52 pm

Toronto:
Hunter
PHI 2025 1st (from OKC)

OKC:
Okongwu

ATL:
Brown
OKC 2025 1st

OKC fills their center issue with a young C that can also extend the floor. They gain defense and rebounding. Chet is built to be more of a 5 and they could have issues in the playoffs if they can't counter against Jokic, KAT, Wemby and other offensive Cs in their conference. Poeltl might be the best fit for them but it would need an overpay to be worthwhile for Toronto.

Toronto gets a pick for taking a bad contract in Hunter. But he's still a useful big man shooter. They can compete and tank if they fall below expectations. They would have 2 first rounders next year.

Atlanta makes room for Sarr in the front court and clear salary to avoid the tax apron. This would the MLE available for upgrading their bench. They also get a pick, this means they can compete while also building for the future.

Toronto:
Poeltl - Olynyk
Barnes - Hunter
Barrett
Dick - Agbaji
Quickely

OKC:
Okongwu
Holmgren
Williams - Dort
SGA - Joe
Giddey - Wallace

Hawks:
Capela
Sarr
Johnson - Griffin
Murray - Bogdanovic
Young - Bufkin
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Re: ATL - OKC - TOR 

Post#2 » by Ball4life32 » Mon May 20, 2024 12:05 am

No for Atlanta. Not attaching Okongwu to get rid of Hunter….and Atlanta only gets probably a late 1st & 1 yr of Brown’s overpaid contract? Don’t think Hunter’s value is that far in the gutter and fine keeping him if it was that negative. And Johnson/Sarr/Capela would not be all starting together. Hawks are most likely going to try to move Capela to save money and I wouldn’t doubt Murray for draft competition as well. Don’t think anyone gives a 1st for Brown.
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Post#3 » by Thaddy » Mon May 20, 2024 12:15 am

Ball4life32 wrote:No for Atlanta. Hawks are not going to attach Okongwu to get rid of Hunter while only getting a late 1st & 1 yr of Brown’s overpaid contract. Don’t think Hunter’s value is that far in the gutter and fine keeping him. And Johnson/Sarr/Capela would not be all starting together. Hawks are most likely going to try to move Capela to save money and I wouldn’t doubt Murray for draft competition as well. Don’t think anyone gives a 1st for Brown.

Brown wouldn't suit up for the Hawks. He would have his final year declined immediately after the trade. Young's size is a problem and having an oversized front court with several rim protectors mitigates that issue.

The second tax apron is a problem for the Hawks (?) so dumping nearly 30M in salary would give them their MLE back and more trade flexibility.
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Post#4 » by jayjaysee » Mon May 20, 2024 12:16 am

I know I’m in the minority, but I don’t think Atlanta does OKC’s deal?

But if they do, they don’t do Toronto’s deal.

Brown actually makes more than Hunter next year... Dumping OO should be all it takes to avoid the tax. No idea what the roster looks like in eighteen months anyways.
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Post#5 » by jayjaysee » Mon May 20, 2024 12:17 am

Thaddy wrote:
Ball4life32 wrote:No for Atlanta. Hawks are not going to attach Okongwu to get rid of Hunter while only getting a late 1st & 1 yr of Brown’s overpaid contract. Don’t think Hunter’s value is that far in the gutter and fine keeping him. And Johnson/Sarr/Capela would not be all starting together. Hawks are most likely going to try to move Capela to save money and I wouldn’t doubt Murray for draft competition as well. Don’t think anyone gives a 1st for Brown.

Brown wouldn't suit up for the Hawks. He would have his final year declined immediately after the trade. Young's size is a problem and having an oversized front court with several rim protectors mitigates that issue.

The second tax apron is a problem for the Hawks (?) so dumping nearly 30M in salary would give them their MLE back and more trade flexibility.


Toronto should just renounce Brown and take Hunter into cap space then? Salary is guaranteed once it is needed for matching in a trade, changed last cba..
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Post#6 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon May 20, 2024 12:18 am

Yeah I’d do that for OKC
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Post#7 » by Ball4life32 » Mon May 20, 2024 12:23 am

Thaddy wrote:
Ball4life32 wrote:No for Atlanta. Hawks are not going to attach Okongwu to get rid of Hunter while only getting a late 1st & 1 yr of Brown’s overpaid contract. Don’t think Hunter’s value is that far in the gutter and fine keeping him. And Johnson/Sarr/Capela would not be all starting together. Hawks are most likely going to try to move Capela to save money and I wouldn’t doubt Murray for draft competition as well. Don’t think anyone gives a 1st for Brown.

Brown wouldn't suit up for the Hawks. He would have his final year declined immediately after the trade. Young's size is a problem and having an oversized front court with several rim protectors mitigates that issue.

The second tax apron is a problem for the Hawks (?) so dumping nearly 30M in salary would give them their MLE back and more trade flexibility.

I agree on bigger lineup but not enough shooting with that trio… I would be shocked if Capela is not gone. But definitely not trading Hunter + Okongwu for one most likely pick in 20s next year. Hunter 15.6 / 3.9 on .595 ts%, injury prone yes but still wouldn’t attach any asset at this point to get rid of him. Hawks can save money other ways.
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Post#8 » by jayu70 » Mon May 20, 2024 12:26 am

Ball4life32 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
Ball4life32 wrote:No for Atlanta. Hawks are not going to attach Okongwu to get rid of Hunter while only getting a late 1st & 1 yr of Brown’s overpaid contract. Don’t think Hunter’s value is that far in the gutter and fine keeping him. And Johnson/Sarr/Capela would not be all starting together. Hawks are most likely going to try to move Capela to save money and I wouldn’t doubt Murray for draft competition as well. Don’t think anyone gives a 1st for Brown.

Brown wouldn't suit up for the Hawks. He would have his final year declined immediately after the trade. Young's size is a problem and having an oversized front court with several rim protectors mitigates that issue.

The second tax apron is a problem for the Hawks (?) so dumping nearly 30M in salary would give them their MLE back and more trade flexibility.

I agree on bigger lineup but not enough shooting with that trio… I would be shocked if Capela is not gone. But definitely not trading Hunter + Okongwu for one most likely pick in 20s next year. Hunter 15.6 / 3.9 on .595 ts%, injury prone yes but still wouldn’t attach any asset at this point to get rid of him. Hawks can save money other ways.

Brown's contract has to he guaranteed to be traded, so there's no cost saving to the Hawks.
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Post#9 » by Godaddycurse » Mon May 20, 2024 12:29 am

jayu70 wrote:
Ball4life32 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Brown wouldn't suit up for the Hawks. He would have his final year declined immediately after the trade. Young's size is a problem and having an oversized front court with several rim protectors mitigates that issue.

The second tax apron is a problem for the Hawks (?) so dumping nearly 30M in salary would give them their MLE back and more trade flexibility.

I agree on bigger lineup but not enough shooting with that trio… I would be shocked if Capela is not gone. But definitely not trading Hunter + Okongwu for one most likely pick in 20s next year. Hunter 15.6 / 3.9 on .595 ts%, injury prone yes but still wouldn’t attach any asset at this point to get rid of him. Hawks can save money other ways.

Brown's contract has to he guaranteed to be traded, so there's no cost saving to the Hawks.


Just waive brown first and toronto can absorb hunter into space.

Agree atlanta shouldn't pay to dump hunter. Capela is the obvious candidate to be traded to save space
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Post#10 » by jayu70 » Mon May 20, 2024 12:31 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Ball4life32 wrote:I agree on bigger lineup but not enough shooting with that trio… I would be shocked if Capela is not gone. But definitely not trading Hunter + Okongwu for one most likely pick in 20s next year. Hunter 15.6 / 3.9 on .595 ts%, injury prone yes but still wouldn’t attach any asset at this point to get rid of him. Hawks can save money other ways.

Brown's contract has to he guaranteed to be traded, so there's no cost saving to the Hawks.


Just waive brown first and toronto can absorb hunter into space.

Agree atlanta shouldn't pay to dump hunter. Capela is the obvious candidate to be traded to save space

What's the cost? Don't see the Hawks paying OO for a move like this.
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Post#11 » by dms269 » Mon May 20, 2024 12:32 am

Atlanta would not attach OO to dump Hunter and only get back a late 20s pick.

Like many others had said, Capela is probably going to be moved to save money that way.

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Post#12 » by Godaddycurse » Mon May 20, 2024 12:34 am

jayu70 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Brown's contract has to he guaranteed to be traded, so there's no cost saving to the Hawks.


Just waive brown first and toronto can absorb hunter into space.

Agree atlanta shouldn't pay to dump hunter. Capela is the obvious candidate to be traded to save space

What's the cost? Don't see the Hawks paying OO for a move like this.


Id expect 2nds at most to pay to dump Capela. He can still give 20+ min/game to the right team (e.g. okc)
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Post#13 » by jayu70 » Mon May 20, 2024 12:54 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Just waive brown first and toronto can absorb hunter into space.

Agree atlanta shouldn't pay to dump hunter. Capela is the obvious candidate to be traded to save space

What's the cost? Don't see the Hawks paying OO for a move like this.


Id expect 2nds at most to pay to dump Capela. He can still give 20+ min/game to the right team (e.g. okc)

OP was talking Hunter
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Post#14 » by Godaddycurse » Mon May 20, 2024 12:55 am

jayu70 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
jayu70 wrote:What's the cost? Don't see the Hawks paying OO for a move like this.


Id expect 2nds at most to pay to dump Capela. He can still give 20+ min/game to the right team (e.g. okc)

OP was talking Hunter


Oops i misunderstood. 2nds to a late 1st per OP but im lower on Hunter than others
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Post#15 » by MessiahUjiri » Mon May 20, 2024 2:55 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Just waive brown first and toronto can absorb hunter into space.

Agree atlanta shouldn't pay to dump hunter. Capela is the obvious candidate to be traded to save space

What's the cost? Don't see the Hawks paying OO for a move like this.


Id expect 2nds at most to pay to dump Capela. He can still give 20+ min/game to the right team (e.g. okc)



Yeah I see the OKC Capela deal as a much nicer move for ATL (and also for OKC).

And then you can take that ~late 1st from the Capela deal and move Hunter for something that fits. Maybe Brown, but ideally better than that.

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