Joel Embiid Hypothetical Trade Thread

[Ferry Avenue]

The Knicks also won two games last series with Brunson playing like hot ass.

But I guess he just willed the rest of the team into hitting shots and getting boards.

should have willed the team to beat the Pacers last night too....guess he ran out of emotional leader juice.

Nobody said that having such a player makes you win every game, but if the absence of such a player makes you stall at the first or second round of the playoffs every year, then certainly you need one to win a championship. Study the concept of “necessary but not sufficient.”

[Mik317]

I don't think that is the reason we stall out every year tho.

I think it has simply been team building.

I feel like you can build a team that makes it so Biid doesn't have to be the most important player on both sides of the floor for the team simply function and I feel like the various FOs have failed at that.

Biid has flaws as a player. Some that can tank a game for sure but I feel like you can build with those flaws in mind. His flaws are decision making and stamina (and injury luck but lol). I think you groom Maxey as the closer and get other guys who can actually do **** to lessen the decision making role and you get actual athletes so he doesn't HAVE to be the whole defense...that alone would be a huge help. Now he has to be willing to let this happen and I feel like that is the first big step but still. I don't think Biid not being an outspoken leader who yells and riles up the troops is as high on the list of reasons this team is pain imo.

[76ciology]

I’d like to call it an “alternative engine.” We can eventually make it our primary option, using our Embiid option, which is the superior option, only when the alternative fails or in high-pressure situations. This concept aligns with the idea of anti-fragility.

This is similar to the Celtics’ approach, where they rely on their standard dribble-drive action and three-point shooting offense with a small-ball starting unit. Their superior option is Tatum taking over, even though it is considered less optimal. They also utilize a double-big lineup with Horford and Porzingis, who played a role similar to what Robert Williams did in the past.

Our mindset should focus on how to run a good offense and defense with, and most importantly, without Embiid.

For now, I see the solution as having someone who can play the two-man game with Maxey, making that action our “alternative engine on offense.” Additionally, we need someone who can anchor or at least carry much of Embiid’s defensive load, which would be our “alternative engine on defense.”

From there, Embiid can play within the flow of the game and taking over when needed. And he can rest as much as he wants in the regular season.

Thinking about it, the Spurs had a similar setup during their last few championship runs. They managed Duncan’s load while relying on players like Patty Mills, Splitter, and Diaw to run their offense and beat top teams in the regular season. And when Duncan was in the game, they didn’t just dump the ball to him like during his prime years. Instead, they involved him strategically, especially when the momentum was shifting against them or in high-pressure situations. Additionally, Duncan played alongside Kawhi and Splitter, who significantly helped him on defense.

So yeah, Embiid can play a secondary role in low-pressure or routine situations, stepping up as the primary option on the biggest stage. If he experiences stage fright, our “alternative engine” should be competent enough to keep us competitive and give our opponents a good fight.

[Jhawk03]

Embiid is 30 and not 31. No, nobody would do that trade, because you don't trade an MVP for that crap, genius.

Arguing the difference between Embiid being 30 vs 31 is like arguing the difference between your ex girlfriend and your hand. Either way your're not getting laid. What's the difference between Embiid and AD for that matter?

At any rate, unless this thread is a wild attempt at a genuine discussion of Joel's "trade value", which is a perfectly fine idea to discuss, the actual reality leading to ideas like trading Embiid for Booker straight up are making this thread reach troll levels... and like I'll continue to say... I have NO INTEREST in giving ANY TEAM a championship, and you guys need to get your head outta your ass if you think for one second that the team that receives Joel in a trade won't win a title in your lifetime.

Now if Silver the Snake would wink gift us the next Wemby four years from now by the sixers trading Embiid I'd probably do it... reluctantly.

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

No disrespect, but get your head outta your ass, the team that receives Embiid knows EXACTLY what they're getting, and will implement the following approach...

I’d like to call it an “alternative engine.” We can eventually make it our primary option, using our Embiid option, which is the superior option, only when the alternative fails or in high-pressure situations. This concept aligns with the idea of anti-fragility.

This is similar to the Celtics’ approach, where they rely on their standard dribble-drive action and three-point shooting offense with a small-ball starting unit. Their superior option is Tatum taking over, even though it is considered less optimal. They also utilize a double-big lineup with Horford and Porzingis, who played a role similar to what Robert Williams did in the past.

Our mindset should focus on how to run a good offense and defense with, and most importantly, without Embiid.

For now, I see the solution as having someone who can play the two-man game with Maxey, making that action our “alternative engine on offense.” Additionally, we need someone who can anchor or at least carry much of Embiid’s defensive load, which would be our “alternative engine on defense.”

From there, Embiid can play within the flow of the game and taking over when needed. And he can rest as much as he wants in the regular season.

Thinking about it, the Spurs had a similar setup during their last few championship runs. They managed Duncan’s load while relying on players like Patty Mills, Splitter, and Diaw to run their offense and beat top teams in the regular season. And when Duncan was in the game, they didn’t just dump the ball to him like during his prime years. Instead, they involved him strategically, especially when the momentum was shifting against them or in high-pressure situations. Additionally, Duncan played alongside Kawhi and Splitter, who significantly helped him on defense.

So yeah, Embiid can play a secondary role in low-pressure or routine situations, stepping up as the primary option on the biggest stage. If he experiences stage fright, our “alternative engine” should be competent enough to keep us competitive and give our opponents a good fight.

These ideas among several others posted are the strategies that a competent FO will explore AND execute once pulling the trigger on a Joel trade... thereby making them title favorites and ultimately a championship team. Whatever team that trades for Embiid is not making him the primary option on that team.

The bottom line is, we will never get a fair return by trading Embiid due to the fact that whatever team that's willing to trade for him will have the necessary pieces/draft capital to carry them over the hump and win... something this FO has never been able to do properly around Joel Embiid.

[Iverson Armband]

Arguing the difference between Embiid being 30 vs 31 is like arguing the difference between your ex girlfriend and your hand. Either way your're not getting laid. What's the difference between Embiid and AD for that matter?

At any rate, unless this thread is a wild attempt at a genuine discussion of Joel's "trade value", which is a perfectly fine idea to discuss, the actual reality leading to ideas like trading Embiid for Booker straight up are making this thread reach troll levels... and like I'll continue to say... I have NO INTEREST in giving ANY TEAM a championship, and you guys need to get your head outta your ass if you think for one second that the team that receives Joel in a trade won't win a title in your lifetime.

Now if Silver the Snake would wink gift us the next Wemby four years from now by the sixers trading Embiid I'd probably do it... reluctantly.

Wait, so we’d be gifting any team a championship by trading them Embiid, based off what exactly?? His stellar playoff accomplishments here, or something else?

I understand not wanting to trade him, I really do. But statements like this are complete garbage. Just like “Embiid is a loser”.

No disrespect, but get your head outta your ass, the team that receives Embiid knows EXACTLY what they're getting, and will implement the following approach...

I’d like to call it an “alternative engine.” We can eventually make it our primary option, using our Embiid option, which is the superior option, only when the alternative fails or in high-pressure situations. This concept aligns with the idea of anti-fragility.

This is similar to the Celtics’ approach, where they rely on their standard dribble-drive action and three-point shooting offense with a small-ball starting unit. Their superior option is Tatum taking over, even though it is considered less optimal. They also utilize a double-big lineup with Horford and Porzingis, who played a role similar to what Robert Williams did in the past.

Our mindset should focus on how to run a good offense and defense with, and most importantly, without Embiid.

For now, I see the solution as having someone who can play the two-man game with Maxey, making that action our “alternative engine on offense.” Additionally, we need someone who can anchor or at least carry much of Embiid’s defensive load, which would be our “alternative engine on defense.”

From there, Embiid can play within the flow of the game and taking over when needed. And he can rest as much as he wants in the regular season.

Thinking about it, the Spurs had a similar setup during their last few championship runs. They managed Duncan’s load while relying on players like Patty Mills, Splitter, and Diaw to run their offense and beat top teams in the regular season. And when Duncan was in the game, they didn’t just dump the ball to him like during his prime years. Instead, they involved him strategically, especially when the momentum was shifting against them or in high-pressure situations. Additionally, Duncan played alongside Kawhi and Splitter, who significantly helped him on defense.

So yeah, Embiid can play a secondary role in low-pressure or routine situations, stepping up as the primary option on the biggest stage. If he experiences stage fright, our “alternative engine” should be competent enough to keep us competitive and give our opponents a good fight.

These ideas among several others posted are the strategies that a competent FO will explore AND execute once pulling the trigger on a Joel trade... thereby making them title favorites and ultimately a championship team. Whatever team that trades for Embiid is not making him the primary option on that team.

The bottom line is, we will never get a fair return by trading Embiid due to the fact that whatever team that's willing to trade for him will have the necessary pieces/draft capital to carry them over the hump and win... something this FO has never been able to do properly around Joel Embiid.

I guess the missing piece is you in the Front Office!

[Ferry Avenue]

These ideas among several others posted are the strategies that a competent FO will explore AND execute once pulling the trigger on a Joel trade... thereby making them title favorites and ultimately a championship team. Whatever team that trades for Embiid is not making him the primary option on that team.

The bottom line is, we will never get a fair return by trading Embiid due to the fact that whatever team that's willing to trade for him will have the necessary pieces/draft capital to carry them over the hump and win... something this FO has never been able to do properly around Joel Embiid.

If a team that trades for Embiid wouldn't make him the primary option, then why are the Sixers doing it, and why should the Sixers' personnel effort involve building around Embiid?

[Mik317]

because those teams already have stars in place and we don't and don't have the ammo to get said stars so our best option is to keep trying to find the right set up for Biid?

yeah if we could get Luka for RCIV then sure go do it...but we can't.

Again we have a guy who despite it all has made up a 50 win team damn near solo and despite him being a corpse every playoff the team is still really good when he's on the floor....and yet the idea for some is to trade him for picks and prospects because that will make us better for sure...when the whole reason we are in this position is due to our previous picks and prospects not exactly panning out lol.

[Ferry Avenue]

because those teams already have stars in place and we don't and don't have the ammo to get said stars so our best option is to keep trying to find the right set up for Biid?

Embiid himself is the ammo. That’s a far better option than continuing to try to accomplish something that has been a failure for this long, especially when it doesn’t align with any known, reliable way of winning a championship in the contemporary NBA.

[Mik317]

again I don't think anyone is going to trade a star for Biid because the whole idea would be to add him to said star.

There are no star for star trades in the NBA for that very reason. Stars get traded for packages often containing starters and picks at best. Look at what Dame was traded for and was offered from other teams. I know the response will be but Biid is better than Dame so he should get more...then my response...why would you trade him then lol.

You bandied about trading him for Booker. Why would the Suns trade a guy in his prime who is locked down and plays a hard to fill position? They'd offer KD or Beal and if they had any picks left tho. The Warriors would offer Wiggins and Kuminga and picks tho. Thats the kind of offers you'd get IMO. And lets say you do get Booker?...He has one flukey run in which he went out sad in the finals and you can argue that was more due to CP3 than him as when he got hurt and aged out they haven't been as good. Its just trading Biid to trade him because you don't like him at that point. Team would still be in the same spot of hoping for a magical run due to luck IMO.

I just don't agree that the best option is to basically blow it up yet. Now mind you we are def closer than we have been in the past to that but thats still about a year or two away IMO.

[Negrodamus]

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[Ferry Avenue]

again I don't think anyone is going to trade a star for Biid because the whole idea would be to add him to said star.

There are no star for star trades in the NBA for that very reason. Stars get traded for packages often containing starters and picks at best. Look at what Dame was traded for and was offered from other teams. I know the response will be but Biid is better than Dame so he should get more...then my response...why would you trade him then lol.

You bandied about trading him for Booker. Why would the Suns trade a guy in his prime who is locked down and plays a hard to fill position? They'd offer KD or Beal and if they had any picks left tho. The Warriors would offer Wiggins and Kuminga and picks tho. Thats the kind of offers you'd get IMO. And lets say you do get Booker?...He has one flukey run in which he went out sad in the finals and you can argue that was more due to CP3 than him as when he got hurt and aged out they haven't been as good. Its just trading Biid to trade him because you don't like him at that point. Team would still be in the same spot of hoping for a magical run due to luck IMO.

I just don't agree that the best option is to basically blow it up yet. Now mind you we are def closer than we have been in the past to that but thats still about a year or two away IMO.

Would you trade him for Adebayo and Herro and picks? That kind of trade instantly makes the Sixers’ lineup far more consistent with what wins in the current NBA. You add an athletic center who can run and plays great defense and a three-level scorer who can create his own shot. Now imagine adding Paul George alongside that.

[Mik317]

No I wouldn’t.

The Heat have been a better team without Herro and Bam while good and a great modern day center isn’t good enough. PG also won’t leave LA to play with that as Embiid would be the only reason he left. And even then it would be placing a lot on him and Maxey to be the main offense which is what we don’t really want from PG at this stage of his career.

IMO that team would be a nice solid second round team at best….exactly what we are right now

[phillynative]

I just think it's time for the front office to take the approach they have never done with Embiid . Building a roster that can function on both ends of the floor without him as the main guy. While also optimizing the fit between him and Maxey.

The sixers front office would be silly to build another top heavy roster with oft-injured Embiid as the #1 option going into the playoffs. Bring in players that can rise to the occasion not wither when the lights our brighter .

The last time the sixers had a team like that was 19' and even though the team was talented it was still flawed fit wise with Embiid also not as skilled as he is now. I think you have more leeway with the type of players you can put around Embiid now that hes in his prime and its time to start putting the correct pieces around Maxey.

[eyeatoma]

I just think it's time for the front office to take the approach they have never done with Embiid . Building a roster that can function on both ends of the floor without him as the main guy. While also optimizing the fit between him and Maxey.

The sixers front office would be silly to build another top heavy roster with oft-injured Embiid as the #1 option going into the playoffs. Bring in players that can rise to the occasion not wither when the lights our brighter .

The last time the sixers had a team like that was 19' and even though the team was talented it was still flawed fit wise with Embiid also not as skilled as he is now. I think you have more leeway with the type of players you can put around Embiid now that hes in his prime and its time to start putting the correct pieces around Maxey.

This is the way.

[Ferry Avenue]

I just think it's time for the front office to take the approach they have never done with Embiid . Building a roster that can function on both ends of the floor without him as the main guy. While also optimizing the fit between him and Maxey.

The sixers front office would be silly to build another top heavy roster with oft-injured Embiid as the #1 option going into the playoffs. Bring in players that can rise to the occasion not wither when the lights our brighter .

The last time the sixers had a team like that was 19' and even though the team was talented it was still flawed fit wise with Embiid also not as skilled as he is now. I think you have more leeway with the type of players you can put around Embiid now that hes in his prime and its time to start putting the correct pieces around Maxey.

That sounds great in theory, but the money Embiid is making could very well be prohibitive of it. The player absorbing the greatest percentage of your salary cap should also be the one carrying the team in large part, or else you simply may not have the remaining money sufficient to compensate for the lesser contribution he’s providing. This plan essentially asks Embiid to become more of a “Tobias Harris” — a guy absorbing a ton of salary cap whose contribution isn’t consistent with it.

[FlyingArrow]

I just think it's time for the front office to take the approach they have never done with Embiid . Building a roster that can function on both ends of the floor without him as the main guy. While also optimizing the fit between him and Maxey.

The sixers front office would be silly to build another top heavy roster with oft-injured Embiid as the #1 option going into the playoffs. Bring in players that can rise to the occasion not wither when the lights our brighter .

The last time the sixers had a team like that was 19' and even though the team was talented it was still flawed fit wise with Embiid also not as skilled as he is now. I think you have more leeway with the type of players you can put around Embiid now that hes in his prime and its time to start putting the correct pieces around Maxey.

That sounds great in theory, but the money Embiid is making could very well be prohibitive of it. The player absorbing the greatest percentage of your salary cap should also be the one carrying the team in large part, or else you simply may not have the remaining money sufficient to compensate for the lesser contribution he’s providing. This plan essentially asks Embiid to become more of a “Tobias Harris” — a guy absorbing a ton of salary cap whose contribution isn’t consistent with it.

I'd ask Embiid to be just as big a part of the team but on the defensive side instead of the offense. We've seen highlights of Embiid being insanely impactful on the defensive end. What if he did that all the time? He wouldn't have the energy to do that and score 30+ ppg, but I think we'd be a better team. In short - if Embiid is DPOY, we have a better chance at a championship than if he's MVP.

[Arsenal]

I just think it's time for the front office to take the approach they have never done with Embiid . Building a roster that can function on both ends of the floor without him as the main guy. While also optimizing the fit between him and Maxey.

The sixers front office would be silly to build another top heavy roster with oft-injured Embiid as the #1 option going into the playoffs. Bring in players that can rise to the occasion not wither when the lights our brighter .

The last time the sixers had a team like that was 19' and even though the team was talented it was still flawed fit wise with Embiid also not as skilled as he is now. I think you have more leeway with the type of players you can put around Embiid now that hes in his prime and its time to start putting the correct pieces around Maxey.

That sounds great in theory, but the money Embiid is making could very well be prohibitive of it. The player absorbing the greatest percentage of your salary cap should also be the one carrying the team in large part, or else you simply may not have the remaining money sufficient to compensate for the lesser contribution he’s providing. This plan essentially asks Embiid to become more of a “Tobias Harris” — a guy absorbing a ton of salary cap whose contribution isn’t consistent with it.

Only a complete moron would compare a maxed-out Joel Embiid to a maxed-out Tobias Harris in terms of being a drag on the team's overall salary structure.

[Mik317]

a good way to lower Embiid's offensive load is to have better players around him. Maxey hopefully grows into the closer we desperately need but the main issue is that too many of our sets require Biid to be crucial to them atm. Again this is def in part to Biid thinking he has to be and wanting to be...but its been too predictable and easy to stop in the playoffs because teams simply sell out to not let him get the ball and when he does its late in the shot clock lol. Feels like the FO has taken the wrong message from each of our previous failures. Like Ben was an issue but having big athletic forward who can rebound and defend is still probably the best guy to play the 4 next to Biid. Harden has just as many playoff demons as Biid but having a guy who can play the two man game was helpful just wasn't late career Harden due to his poor finishing and lack of mid range game. IMO you can get poor mans versions of the "best" aspects of previous teams and really build an attack that is at least varied beyond throw the ball to Biid and hope for the best.

[Ferry Avenue]

I just think it's time for the front office to take the approach they have never done with Embiid . Building a roster that can function on both ends of the floor without him as the main guy. While also optimizing the fit between him and Maxey.

The sixers front office would be silly to build another top heavy roster with oft-injured Embiid as the #1 option going into the playoffs. Bring in players that can rise to the occasion not wither when the lights our brighter .

The last time the sixers had a team like that was 19' and even though the team was talented it was still flawed fit wise with Embiid also not as skilled as he is now. I think you have more leeway with the type of players you can put around Embiid now that hes in his prime and its time to start putting the correct pieces around Maxey.

That sounds great in theory, but the money Embiid is making could very well be prohibitive of it. The player absorbing the greatest percentage of your salary cap should also be the one carrying the team in large part, or else you simply may not have the remaining money sufficient to compensate for the lesser contribution he’s providing. This plan essentially asks Embiid to become more of a “Tobias Harris” — a guy absorbing a ton of salary cap whose contribution isn’t consistent with it.

Only a complete moron would compare a maxed-out Joel Embiid to a maxed-out Tobias Harris in terms of being a drag on the team's overall salary structure.

Only a complete moron would demonstrate reading comprehension as poor as yours.

[Ferry Avenue]

I just think it's time for the front office to take the approach they have never done with Embiid . Building a roster that can function on both ends of the floor without him as the main guy. While also optimizing the fit between him and Maxey.

The sixers front office would be silly to build another top heavy roster with oft-injured Embiid as the #1 option going into the playoffs. Bring in players that can rise to the occasion not wither when the lights our brighter .

The last time the sixers had a team like that was 19' and even though the team was talented it was still flawed fit wise with Embiid also not as skilled as he is now. I think you have more leeway with the type of players you can put around Embiid now that hes in his prime and its time to start putting the correct pieces around Maxey.

That sounds great in theory, but the money Embiid is making could very well be prohibitive of it. The player absorbing the greatest percentage of your salary cap should also be the one carrying the team in large part, or else you simply may not have the remaining money sufficient to compensate for the lesser contribution he’s providing. This plan essentially asks Embiid to become more of a “Tobias Harris” — a guy absorbing a ton of salary cap whose contribution isn’t consistent with it.

I'd ask Embiid to be just as big a part of the team but on the defensive side instead of the offense. We've seen highlights of Embiid being insanely impactful on the defensive end. What if he did that all the time? He wouldn't have the energy to do that and score 30+ ppg, but I think we'd be a better team. In short - if Embiid is DPOY, we have a better chance at a championship than if he's MVP.

So then does he take a voluntary pay cut and become paid more along the lines of Rudy Gobert, or does he make the same money and preclude the team from acquiring additional talent just as much as he does now?