Giddey - Poeltl

[OE_Thunder]

Not the right fit for OKC. They don't want to move Chet from the 5. Chet is the perfect 5, they just need a bigger 4 to clean up some boards.

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[Texas Chuck]

Not the right fit for OKC. They don't want to move Chet from the 5. Chet is the perfect 5, they just need a bigger 4 to clean up some boards.

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I'm not for Poeltl specifically either. But Chet could still play 24 mpg at center and 6 at PF leaving plenty of room for a quality defensive/rebounding center. And I think OKC definitely should look to add a player like that.

Not a lot of great rebounding, stretch 4's in the league and even less that become available for trade. A center who defends and rebounds is a much easier position to fill and because of Chet's versatility its perfectly fine for OKC.

[oldncreaky]

OKC can keep Giddey, and their pick. Hartenstein is available for cap space, which OKC has plenty of. Poeltl is useful in Toronto, which has no plan to tank next year.

Yeah the issue is OKC has other options for a guy who would be a backup for them. Whether its a free agent or a trade that doesn't cost them any kind of real asset.

Not sure I agree Toronto is going to try and be super competitive next year. Or maybe I just can't really see how they can be. Do you expect them to go out and make a major addition?

They had a decent net rating when poeltl/barnes/barret/iq were healthy and playing together. Their lack of bench will probably doom then to 9-12th seed though.

Mostly agree

Big questions for Toronto:
1) what, if anything, do they do to address the still gaping hole at backup PG that has killed their bench for 3 years and counting?
2) What, if anything, will they do to shore up the front line? They looked tiny with Olynyk as their sole big, and injuries happen.

They've got the assets/room to do something (either $30M cap space, or MLE/TPE/Brown/Trent) but Toronto's FO left gaping holes in the roster for 3 straight seasons, so I have little faith they'll address these 2 issues. If they do, they look like a play-in team, give or take.

[docholliday99]

Yeah the issue is OKC has other options for a guy who would be a backup for them. Whether its a free agent or a trade that doesn't cost them any kind of real asset.

Not sure I agree Toronto is going to try and be super competitive next year. Or maybe I just can't really see how they can be. Do you expect them to go out and make a major addition?

They had a decent net rating when poeltl/barnes/barret/iq were healthy and playing together. Their lack of bench will probably doom then to 9-12th seed though.

Mostly agree

Big questions for Toronto:
1) what, if anything, do they do to address the still gaping hole at backup PG that has killed their bench for 3 years and counting?
2) What, if anything, will they do to shore up the front line? They looked tiny with Olynyk as their sole big, and injuries happen.

They've got the assets/room to do something (either $30M cap space, or MLE/TPE/Brown/Trent) but Toronto's FO left gaping holes in the roster for 3 straight seasons, so I have little faith they'll address these 2 issues. If they do, they look like a play-in team, give or take.

I agree, there are too many holes for the team to fill, but that won't happen quickly. For myself, it would make sense to trade Poeltl, as he's the one that balances the roster and allows the Raptors to be close to a .500 club. The team can be competitive, just won't be good like this past year - we can use a top pick in next year's draft.

With Toronto rumored to be picking up Brown's option in order to make a trade, they will be staying above the cap - there's no one to big game hunt anyways.

[AaronB]

They had a decent net rating when poeltl/barnes/barret/iq were healthy and playing together. Their lack of bench will probably doom then to 9-12th seed though.

Mostly agree

Big questions for Toronto:
1) what, if anything, do they do to address the still gaping hole at backup PG that has killed their bench for 3 years and counting?
2) What, if anything, will they do to shore up the front line? They looked tiny with Olynyk as their sole big, and injuries happen.

They've got the assets/room to do something (either $30M cap space, or MLE/TPE/Brown/Trent) but Toronto's FO left gaping holes in the roster for 3 straight seasons, so I have little faith they'll address these 2 issues. If they do, they look like a play-in team, give or take.

I agree, there are too many holes for the team to fill, but that won't happen quickly. For myself, it would make sense to trade Poeltl, as he's the one that balances the roster and allows the Raptors to be close to a .500 club. The team can be competitive, just won't be good like this past year - we can use a top pick in next year's draft.

With Toronto rumored to be picking up Brown's option in order to make a trade, they will be staying above the cap - there's no one to big game hunt anyways.

No playoff team is going to pay a premium for a player (Poeltl) who cannot play the last five minutes of a game due to poor FT shooting.

Maybe in the season, but Toronto seriously overpaid for him and I don't see the opportunity to offload him until the midseason if another team is desperate.

[psman2]

Mostly agree

Big questions for Toronto:
1) what, if anything, do they do to address the still gaping hole at backup PG that has killed their bench for 3 years and counting?
2) What, if anything, will they do to shore up the front line? They looked tiny with Olynyk as their sole big, and injuries happen.

They've got the assets/room to do something (either $30M cap space, or MLE/TPE/Brown/Trent) but Toronto's FO left gaping holes in the roster for 3 straight seasons, so I have little faith they'll address these 2 issues. If they do, they look like a play-in team, give or take.

I agree, there are too many holes for the team to fill, but that won't happen quickly. For myself, it would make sense to trade Poeltl, as he's the one that balances the roster and allows the Raptors to be close to a .500 club. The team can be competitive, just won't be good like this past year - we can use a top pick in next year's draft.

With Toronto rumored to be picking up Brown's option in order to make a trade, they will be staying above the cap - there's no one to big game hunt anyways.

No playoff team is going to pay a premium for a player (Poeltl) who cannot play the last five minutes of a game due to poor FT shooting.

Maybe in the season, but Toronto seriously overpaid for him and I don't see the opportunity to offload him until the midseason if another team is desperate.

I think the disconnect with Poeltl's value is that Toronto ended up giving up pick #8 for him so that equates to his real trade market value as a result in some people's eyes. Where if Toronto ended up giving pick #18 for Poeltl this year then I think most people would be commenting that was a fair trade and likely close to his trade value. Close to the worst case scenario happened for Toronto, but that result shouldn't be setting his current trade value.

[AaronB]

I agree, there are too many holes for the team to fill, but that won't happen quickly. For myself, it would make sense to trade Poeltl, as he's the one that balances the roster and allows the Raptors to be close to a .500 club. The team can be competitive, just won't be good like this past year - we can use a top pick in next year's draft.

With Toronto rumored to be picking up Brown's option in order to make a trade, they will be staying above the cap - there's no one to big game hunt anyways.

No playoff team is going to pay a premium for a player (Poeltl) who cannot play the last five minutes of a game due to poor FT shooting.

Maybe in the season, but Toronto seriously overpaid for him and I don't see the opportunity to offload him until the midseason if another team is desperate.

I think the disconnect with Poeltl's value is that Toronto ended up giving up pick #8 for him so that equates to his real trade market value as a result in some people's eyes. Where if Toronto ended up giving pick #18 for Poeltl this year then I think most people would be commenting that was a fair trade and likely close to his trade value. Close to the worst case scenario happened for Toronto, but that result shouldn't be setting his current trade value.

Obviously, it is just my opinion, but at $20M/year and being unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a game due to poor FT shooting puts Poeltl in the 2nd round pick value or no value range.

Again, I think these $20M/year spots are going to become more valuable in the next year or two as teams optimize to stay under the second-level cap.

In a few years it is all moot as the cap will raise so much that $20M/year will seem small potatoes. Right now it is an issue.

[Texas Chuck]

Well the first 45 minutes matter too. And getting through regular seasons matter.

[OE_Thunder]

Not the right fit for OKC. They don't want to move Chet from the 5. Chet is the perfect 5, they just need a bigger 4 to clean up some boards.

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I'm not for Poeltl specifically either. But Chet could still play 24 mpg at center and 6 at PF leaving plenty of room for a quality defensive/rebounding center. And I think OKC definitely should look to add a player like that.

Not a lot of great rebounding, stretch 4's in the league and even less that become available for trade. A center who defends and rebounds is a much easier position to fill and because of Chet's versatility its perfectly fine for OKC.

I can agree with this, but that center needs to be able to stretch the floor on offense. Basically taking the position of J-Will. Would rather go after Wendall Carter Jr.

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[Texas Chuck]

OKC just lost a series to a team that played two centers that never shoot outside of 4 feet. You don't have to have 5 out just because that's what the team did with its current roster. In addition to liking that style, you also have to consider if getting abused inside and on the glass is sustainable (it is not).

again I wouldn't go for this player, but getting more interior help even if they aren't a 3-pt shooter is something OKC should consider. Carter isn't really much of an upgrade over Williams and I wouldn't bother with that. Look at what your team struggles with and address that as opposed to just trying to find Chet-lite at backup center.

[Godaddycurse]

Obviously, it is just my opinion, but at $20M/year and being unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a game due to poor FT shooting puts Poeltl in the 2nd round pick value or no value range.

At a FT% of 55%, hacking poeltl for free throws would lead to around 1.1 point per possession, which isn't that bad?

[Texas Chuck]

Obviously, it is just my opinion, but at $20M/year and being unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a game due to poor FT shooting puts Poeltl in the 2nd round pick value or no value range.

At a FT% of 55%, hacking poeltl for free throws would lead to around 1.1 point per possession, which isn't that bad?

hack a Lively was a fail for OKC. There is a reason teams really don't do this except as last resort. It's not just a strategy to worry about. If they want to do that and get your team in the bonus and kill their own flow, let them.

[docholliday99]

Not the right fit for OKC. They don't want to move Chet from the 5. Chet is the perfect 5, they just need a bigger 4 to clean up some boards.

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I'm not for Poeltl specifically either. But Chet could still play 24 mpg at center and 6 at PF leaving plenty of room for a quality defensive/rebounding center. And I think OKC definitely should look to add a player like that.

Not a lot of great rebounding, stretch 4's in the league and even less that become available for trade. A center who defends and rebounds is a much easier position to fill and because of Chet's versatility its perfectly fine for OKC.

I can agree with this, but that center needs to be able to stretch the floor on offense. Basically taking the position of J-Will. Would rather go after Wendall Carter Jr.

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Was just going to write this lol. SGA, Dort, J-Will, WCJ and Chet makes a lot of sense. However, with WCJ descending contract at 12 then 11, I would honestly sill consider Poeltl at 20. I like WCJ but he's not the most durable player, missing at minimum 20 games a season. Chet, WCJ, Poeltl would offer a lot of options/looks for the RS and PO.

As a Raptors fan, I have mixed feelings on Giddey but he's an asset and as Texas C pointed out, the Raptors can use as many assets as they can get. Can always let the market dictate his worth next offseason

[AaronB]

Obviously, it is just my opinion, but at $20M/year and being unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a game due to poor FT shooting puts Poeltl in the 2nd round pick value or no value range.

At a FT% of 55%, hacking poeltl for free throws would lead to around 1.1 point per possession, which isn't that bad?

hack a Lively was a fail for OKC. There is a reason teams really don't do this except as last resort. It's not just a strategy to worry about. If they want to do that and get your team in the bonus and kill their own flow, let them.

That is because "hack an X" has almost never worked. However, with low % FT shooters a team is able to defend extremely aggressively at the end of games and not worry about the results.

[jbk1234]

Not the right target for OKC

I think he'd solve some issues, but not ideal, imo, especially with 3 more seasons at $19.5.


Why would TOR pursue Giddey...what would his role be? IQ is a pretty legit PG and shooting might be a bigger issue among their core players. I'm not seeing how Giddey fits.

It is just a guess, but I think the Spurs will offer IQ the MAX within an hour of the tampering window opening.

He is a perfect fit next to VW.

What will Toronto do then?

If anyone offers IQ a max contract, the Raptors should shake his hand, wish him well, and laugh their rear ends off at how dumb that team is.

[Devilanche]

At a FT% of 55%, hacking poeltl for free throws would lead to around 1.1 point per possession, which isn't that bad?

hack a Lively was a fail for OKC. There is a reason teams really don't do this except as last resort. It's not just a strategy to worry about. If they want to do that and get your team in the bonus and kill their own flow, let them.

That is because "hack an X" has almost never worked. However, with low % FT shooters a team is able to defend extremely aggressively at the end of games and not worry about the results.

I don’t think we are closing game off with him .

Probably Chet as 5 still and going small.

[BK_2020]

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[Asif16]

Zero interest in Giddey from the Raptors POV. Just a terrible fit