Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[DayofMourning]

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

You've got to admit - most of our moves for the last few years have been QUESTIONABLE to put it politly.

If you analyze them one by one, you'd think this front office is pretty clueless honestly.

Lowry trade - disaster
Duncan contract - disaster
Herro contract - disaster
Rozier trade - looks iffy


Our best move were basically drafting some good kids (Jovic and Jamie), getting some nice minimum guys (Love, Highsmith)...and, what else?

Lowry trade lead to the #1 seed and a missed 3pter away from a finals appearance. Lets not overreact.

Tough point to argue there carnageta. Lowry shot like 30% from the field those playoffs. He was a MAJOR reason we didnt go to the Finals.

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- Butler needs to play more in the regular season, if he has to take games off to make it through the season you shouldn't be asking for a max extension.

- Miami currently has nearly 50 million dollars tied up into 2 3pt shooters (Robinson and Herro) who are negatives on the defensive end. To me this is the biggest issue on the roster.

- Try to keep both Jovic and Jaquez Jr unless you're getting a new whale, that's 40% of your future starting lineup and expectations are that they'll be average or better players.

- Miami let their starting 27-year-old PG from a finals team walk for 11 million per year and replaced him with a 23-million-dollar PG who cost them the assets of a 30 million dollar expiring contract AND a 1st round. Although Vincent probably is overpaid it wasn't by much, he fit a role that needed to be filled and once again... 11 million dollars for a guy Miami was starting and doing what they wanted him to do.

Here's a thought, build a team around Butler and Bam until you have a new guy added to them or replacing Butler? Get a 2 guard who can shoot 3s AND guard (I might be able to live with a Rozier/Richardson backcourt until a better SG is acquired). How about a defensive center to replace your defensive center when he's not on the court?

I think a little retooling is needed.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Counting chickens before their hatched.

If Im paying max, it aint to Pascal **** Siakam.

Boston winning in 5 would not be a shocker.

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

Rather have Siakam than all of those players as well, but Pascal also made a significant amount more than each of those guys.

Siakam - 38m
Herro - 27m
Rozier - 22m
Duncan - 18m


In an ideal world you would want to replace Rozier and Duncan (40m salary) with a guy like Siakam.

Siakam wants the max this summer too right?

[carnageta]

You've got to admit - most of our moves for the last few years have been QUESTIONABLE to put it politly.

If you analyze them one by one, you'd think this front office is pretty clueless honestly.

Lowry trade - disaster
Duncan contract - disaster
Herro contract - disaster
Rozier trade - looks iffy


Our best move were basically drafting some good kids (Jovic and Jamie), getting some nice minimum guys (Love, Highsmith)...and, what else?

Lowry trade lead to the #1 seed and a missed 3pter away from a finals appearance. Lets not overreact.

Tough point to argue there carnageta. Lowry shot like 30% from the field those playoffs. He was a MAJOR reason we didnt go to the Finals.

Yeah unfortunately he was injured when the playoffs started. But he kept us afloat that year. Bam missed like 26 games. Butler missed 15+. We won games with Lowry leading the way with Yurt7 and PJ Tucker as the 2nd and 3rd best players. We probably don't get the first seed without him.

Hindsight is 20/20, and when we initially acquired Lowry the consensus was that we came out ahead. It's easy to look back afterwards and say 'the FO shat the bed'. Jimmy wanted Lowry, and Lowry was also a 2-way borderline all-star caliber player. He really well off of a cliff this season, hence why we traded him for Rozier.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Only thing the Pacers have shown us is that you can never predict injury so always do what you can to have the best team out there and the best star talent out there. Dont wish injury on anyone but if Jokic were playing on a sprained ankle like Jimmy last season and they were without their Herro wherever that lands in the Nuggets hierarchy we might’ve beat them last year; especially if you just reversed the injuries

[carnageta]

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

Rather have Siakam than all of those players as well, but Pascal also made a significant amount more than each of those guys.

Siakam - 38m
Herro - 27m
Rozier - 22m
Duncan - 18m


In an ideal world you would want to replace Rozier and Duncan (40m salary) with a guy like Siakam.

Siakam wants the max this summer too right?

Yes he does, and imagine we had traded our assets for him and then given him the max? The outrage here would be otherworldly.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Rather have Siakam than all of those players as well, but Pascal also made a significant amount more than each of those guys.

Siakam - 38m
Herro - 27m
Rozier - 22m
Duncan - 18m


In an ideal world you would want to replace Rozier and Duncan (40m salary) with a guy like Siakam.

Siakam wants the max this summer too right?

Yes he does, and imagine we had traded our assets for him and then given him the max? The outrage here would be otherworldly.

I’d be sick personally lol

[RexBoyWonder]

Siakam wants the max this summer too right?

Yes he does, and imagine we had traded our assets for him and then given him the max? The outrage here would be otherworldly.

I’d be sick personally lol

I'd don't even like Siakem or his game, and don't think he's a good fit with Bam and Jimmy.

But it's easy to show he's a better asset to a team trying to win (even on his max) then Duncan + Herro on their current contracts.

So why would there be this otherworldly outrage?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yes he does, and imagine we had traded our assets for him and then given him the max? The outrage here would be otherworldly.

I’d be sick personally lol

I'd don't even like Siakem or his game, and don't think he's a good fit with Bam and Jimmy.

But it's easy to show he's a better asset to a team trying to win (even on his max) then Duncan + Herro on their current contracts.

So why would there be this otherworldly outrage?

His max is something like $50M a year I’m assuming and we would’ve sent all our assets out on top of that to get him and like you said he’s a terrible fit with Jimmy and Bam. If Spo couldn’t find a way to make it work we’d be screwed in the present and future

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

MLE this summer or no?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Bridges wouldn’t shock me then they can complete the Villanova reunion.

[twix2500]

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Bridges wouldn’t shock me then they can complete the Villanova reunion.

[carnageta]

IDK about ya'll, but the Knicks with Brunson, Hart, Mikal Bridges, and OG Anunoby would be legit in the East. That team could give Boston a run for their money.

[Kobewade11]

Cavs may be sleeper to pursue Mikal Bridges and team with Mitchell

[Hoops3355]

People dreaming about Bagless Pascal... come on boys get off the rails. He's horrible fit.

The org is gonna run it back you guys know exactly what's happening. They aren't going to extend Jimmy though which will be the story. The reality is we really didn't get to see Terry at his best. Another year of Bam working on that 3 and just general bag. I can see Spo just salivating. Along with internal development. JJJ taking Caleb's minutes. Add 2 6'10'' who don't have sandbags for feet and see what you can do. The East is still very much there for the taking.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Cavs may be sleeper to pursue Mikal Bridges and team with Mitchell

I could definitely see Garland and Allen heading to BK.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Cavs may be sleeper to pursue Mikal Bridges and team with Mitchell

I could definitely see Garland and Allen heading to BK.

They better be getting more than Bridges then lol

[twix2500]

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- You don't need whales, but they sure can make life a lot easier!

- Butler needs to play more in the regular season, if he has to take games off to make it through the season you shouldn't be asking for a max extension.

- Miami currently has nearly 50 million dollars tied up into 2 3pt shooters (Robinson and Herro) who are negatives on the defensive end. To me this is the biggest issue on the roster.

- Try to keep both Jovic and Jaquez Jr unless you're getting a new whale, that's 40% of your future starting lineup and expectations are that they'll be average or better players.

- Miami let their starting 27-year-old PG from a finals team walk for 11 million per year and replaced him with a 23-million-dollar PG who cost them the assets of a 30 million dollar expiring contract AND a 1st round. Although Vincent probably is overpaid it wasn't by much, he fit a role that needed to be filled and once again... 11 million dollars for a guy Miami was starting and doing what they wanted him to do.

Here's a thought, build a team around Butler and Bam until you have a new guy added to them or replacing Butler? Get a 2 guard who can shoot 3s AND guard (I might be able to live with a Rozier/Richardson backcourt until a better SG is acquired). How about a defensive center to replace your defensive center when he's not on the court?

I think a little retooling is needed.

Pacers and Knicks are not the blueprint. They are a 7th and 8th seed in a healthy east.