Hawks Can't Rebuild/Reboot anytime soon

[tbhawksfan1]

The above said, I think there is zero chance that Resseler does that. He will keep Trae, cut cost using CC maybe move Murry in a salary lateral move and draft #1 for the hopium. The cheap, treadmill way that keeps butts in seats and Resseler making money

[Jamaaliver]

Hawks are going no where with what we have. CC is no longer a starter. Hunter is maybe a #5 starter. Trae and Murray didn't work. OO hasn't shown that he can be an effective starter and he really is too short to play C. Doesn't have the game to play PF. Only if he plays next to the perfect partner in the front court will he be a good starter

Jalen is looking great but he really needs to play a big SF...this team really does need to be completely rebuilt

It's ugly and frightening, but what we've been watching is worse. At least a rebuild has some entertainment value and hopium

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

Watching the Knicks and Pacers stumble their way through the playoffs, I fully believe this Hawks team is more talented than either of those teams.

• Quin Snyder is on par with any of the remaining coaches still in the postseason.
  
• Trae is at least as good as Ty Haliburton and Jalen Brunson.
  
• Jalen Johnson is the 3rd best Forward in the East.
  
• Okongwu is as good of a big off the bench as Naz Reid.
  
• Bogdan Bogdanovic was the real 6th man of the year by almost every advanced metric last season.
  
• And we're about to add an elite young player through the draft.

There is work to do, but too much talent on this team to simply give up after a bad, injury-plagued season.

[tbhawksfan1]

Hawks are going no where with what we have. CC is no longer a starter. Hunter is maybe a #5 starter. Trae and Murray didn't work. OO hasn't shown that he can be an effective starter and he really is too short to play C. Doesn't have the game to play PF. Only if he plays next to the perfect partner in the front court will he be a good starter

Jalen is looking great but he really needs to play a big SF...this team really does need to be completely rebuilt

It's ugly and frightening, but what we've been watching is worse. At least a rebuild has some entertainment value and hopium

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

Watching the Knicks and Pacers stumble their way through the playoffs, I fully believe this Hawks team is more talented than either of those teams.

• Quin Snyder is on par with any of the remaining coaches still in the postseason.
  
• Trae is at least as good as Ty Haliburton and Jalen Brunson.
  
• Jalen Johnson is the 3rd best Forward in the East.
  
• Okongwu is as good of a big off the bench as Naz Reid.
  
• Bogdan Bogdanovic was the real 6th man of the year by almost every advanced metric last season.
  
• And we're about to add an elite young player through the draft.

There is work to do, but too much talent on this team to simply give up after a bad, injury-plagued season.

I agree that the team is way more talented than the result, but it's the result that counts. The result has sucked for the last two seasons. What makes you think that this group minus CC and plus #1 pick is going to change the script?

[Jamaaliver]

I agree that the team is way more talented than the result, but it's the result that counts. The result has sucked for the last two seasons.

What makes you think that this group minus CC and plus #1 pick is going to change the script?

It's a great question, brother. And it's because we actually know what our issues are.
Ironically, I was usually pretty low on the Hawks for most of the 2010s. Mainly because we had mediocre coaching and lacked elite talent.

Those are no longer the issues.

Our problems are straightforward:

1. Trae and Dejounte do not pair well.

Spoiler:

Every advanced metric tells us that when they share the court, the team is worse. Turns out having two, undersized, ball-dominant point guards on the court at the same time is a bad idea. It undermines them on offense and leaves us too small on defense. Jalen Johnson can serve as the secondary creator moving forward. This team needs an over sized, floor spacing, low usage, hyper defender next to their elite offensive engine.

2. Clint Capela's limited offense killed us this year.

Spoiler:

Quin's offense had Capela engaged in dribble hand offs near the top of the key. None of that plays to Clint's strengths. He's a poor passer, poor shooter and can't dribble. Worse than that, his at rim finishing declined... greatly. He fumbled passes. He blew contested layups. He missed open dunks. He rarely passed after offensive rebounds. This team needs a Center with a different skill set in the starting 5.

Read on Twitter

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3. Poor forward depth really cost us.

Spoiler:

Hawks were ravaged by injuries in the front court. Hunter is limited and injury prone. Saddiq is limited. Jalen isn't a shooter. Moving on from Saddiq Bey and DeAndre Hunter for role players that can shoot, defend, pass, screen at higher level is pretty key.

4. The locker room is a mess.

Spoiler:

Trae is a great offensive player. But a terrible leader. It's clear that the vibes are worse when he's around. The team needs to fill roster spots 8-12 with vocal, upbeat, positive vets to set the tone.

These are concerns that are easily addressed.

Dejounte is in his prime, on an attractive, long term contract. Trading him should be easy.
Free Agents like Nic Batum or Kyle Anderson would do wonders on the court and in the locker room. They provide defense, shooting, depth and leadership.
Okongwu has earned the chance to start at Center. And he’s looked great playing next to Jalen Johnson as a starter.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

[tbhawksfan1]

I agree that the team is way more talented than the result, but it's the result that counts. The result has sucked for the last two seasons.

What makes you think that this group minus CC and plus #1 pick is going to change the script?

It's a great question, brother. And it's because we actually know what our issues are.
Ironically, I was usually pretty low on the Hawks for most of the 2010s. Mainly because we had mediocre coaching and lacked elite talent.

Those are no longer the issues.

Our problems are straightforward:

1. Trae and Dejounte do not pair well.

Spoiler:

Every advanced metric tells us that when they share the court, the team is worse. Turns out having two, undersized, ball-dominant point guards on the court at the same time is a bad idea. It undermines them on offense and leaves us too small on defense. Jalen Johnson can serve as the secondary creator moving forward. This team needs an over sized, floor spacing, low usage, hyper defender next to their elite offensive engine.

2. Clint Capela's limited offense killed us this year.

Spoiler:

Quin's offense had Capela engaged in dribble hand offs near the top of the key. None of that plays to Clint's strengths. He's a poor passer, poor shooter and can't dribble. Worse than that, his at rim finishing declined... greatly. He fumbled passes. He blew contested layups. He missed open dunks. He rarely passed after offensive rebounds. This team needs a Center with a different skill set in the starting 5.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

3. Poor forward depth really cost us.

Spoiler:

Hawks were ravaged by injuries in the front court. Hunter is limited and injury prone. Saddiq is limited. Jalen isn't a shooter. Moving on from Saddiq Bey and DeAndre Hunter for role players that can shoot, defend, pass, screen at higher level is pretty key.

4. The locker room is a mess.

Spoiler:

Trae is a great offensive player. But a terrible leader. It's clear that the vibes are worse when he's around. The team needs to fill roster spots 8-12 with vocal, upbeat, positive vets to set the tone.

These are concerns that are easily addressed.

Dejounte is in his prime, on an attractive, long term contract.
Okongwu has earned the chance to start at Center. And he’s looked great playing next to Jalen Johnson.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Free Agents like Nic Batum or Kyle Anderson would do wonders on the court and in the locker room.

Absolutely agree with #1, #2 and #3. Disagree with #4. You can't have your best player needing a bunch of back up players on the team to be leaders. If Trae can't be a leader then that is a HUGE problem

[tbhawksfan1]

I agree that the team is way more talented than the result, but it's the result that counts. The result has sucked for the last two seasons.

What makes you think that this group minus CC and plus #1 pick is going to change the script?

It's a great question, brother. And it's because we actually know what our issues are.
Ironically, I was usually pretty low on the Hawks for most of the 2010s. Mainly because we had mediocre coaching and lacked elite talent.

Those are no longer the issues.

Our problems are straightforward:

1. Trae and Dejounte do not pair well.

Spoiler:

Every advanced metric tells us that when they share the court, the team is worse. Turns out having two, undersized, ball-dominant point guards on the court at the same time is a bad idea. It undermines them on offense and leaves us too small on defense. Jalen Johnson can serve as the secondary creator moving forward. This team needs an over sized, floor spacing, low usage, hyper defender next to their elite offensive engine.

2. Clint Capela's limited offense killed us this year.

Spoiler:

Quin's offense had Capela engaged in dribble hand offs near the top of the key. None of that plays to Clint's strengths. He's a poor passer, poor shooter and can't dribble. Worse than that, his at rim finishing declined... greatly. He fumbled passes. He blew contested layups. He missed open dunks. He rarely passed after offensive rebounds. This team needs a Center with a different skill set in the starting 5.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

3. Poor forward depth really cost us.

Spoiler:

Hawks were ravaged by injuries in the front court. Hunter is limited and injury prone. Saddiq is limited. Jalen isn't a shooter. Moving on from Saddiq Bey and DeAndre Hunter for role players that can shoot, defend, pass, screen at higher level is pretty key.

4. The locker room is a mess.

Spoiler:

Trae is a great offensive player. But a terrible leader. It's clear that the vibes are worse when he's around. The team needs to fill roster spots 8-12 with vocal, upbeat, positive vets to set the tone.

These are concerns that are easily addressed.

Dejounte is in his prime, on an attractive, long term contract.
Okongwu has earned the chance to start at Center. And he’s looked great playing next to Jalen Johnson.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Free Agents like Nic Batum or Kyle Anderson would do wonders on the court and in the locker room.

Absolutely agree with #1, #2 and #3. Disagree with #4. You can't have your best player needing a bunch of back up players on the team to be leaders. If Trae can't be a leader then that is a HUGE problem

I actually like Murray more than Trae because Murray clearly showed that he knows how to get the team involved. The ball moved. The D improved. The O suffered but that is because Trae is a GOAT type offensive player. The Heat clearly showed that it's easy to shut him down though. Trae is by far more talented, but totally flawed as a leader and his size is a HUGE problem.

Move Trae and surround Murray with better players is the way to go

[tbhawksfan1]

I agree that the team is way more talented than the result, but it's the result that counts. The result has sucked for the last two seasons.

What makes you think that this group minus CC and plus #1 pick is going to change the script?

It's a great question, brother. And it's because we actually know what our issues are.
Ironically, I was usually pretty low on the Hawks for most of the 2010s. Mainly because we had mediocre coaching and lacked elite talent.

Those are no longer the issues.

Our problems are straightforward:

1. Trae and Dejounte do not pair well.

Spoiler:

Every advanced metric tells us that when they share the court, the team is worse. Turns out having two, undersized, ball-dominant point guards on the court at the same time is a bad idea. It undermines them on offense and leaves us too small on defense. Jalen Johnson can serve as the secondary creator moving forward. This team needs an over sized, floor spacing, low usage, hyper defender next to their elite offensive engine.

2. Clint Capela's limited offense killed us this year.

Spoiler:

Quin's offense had Capela engaged in dribble hand offs near the top of the key. None of that plays to Clint's strengths. He's a poor passer, poor shooter and can't dribble. Worse than that, his at rim finishing declined... greatly. He fumbled passes. He blew contested layups. He missed open dunks. He rarely passed after offensive rebounds. This team needs a Center with a different skill set in the starting 5.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

3. Poor forward depth really cost us.

Spoiler:

Hawks were ravaged by injuries in the front court. Hunter is limited and injury prone. Saddiq is limited. Jalen isn't a shooter. Moving on from Saddiq Bey and DeAndre Hunter for role players that can shoot, defend, pass, screen at higher level is pretty key.

4. The locker room is a mess.

Spoiler:

Trae is a great offensive player. But a terrible leader. It's clear that the vibes are worse when he's around. The team needs to fill roster spots 8-12 with vocal, upbeat, positive vets to set the tone.

These are concerns that are easily addressed.

Dejounte is in his prime, on an attractive, long term contract. Trading him should be easy.
Free Agents like Nic Batum or Kyle Anderson would do wonders on the court and in the locker room. They provide defense, shooting, depth and leadership.
Okongwu has earned the chance to start at Center. And he’s looked great playing next to Jalen Johnson as a starter.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

I was so happy when the Hawks hired Snyder. So far though I am very disappointed with his ability to get this talented team to play well though. I think that the combination of Trae's heliocentric play and Snyder's emphasis on P&R is not working and I've seen no adjustment to solve the problem

Hawks have a good offensive rating, but are easy to shut down when teams want to. Last two season's records are all the proof we need that it's not working

[Jamaaliver]

I actually like Murray more than Trae because Murray clearly showed that he knows how to get the team involved. The ball moved. The D improved. The O suffered but that is because Trae is a GOAT type offensive player. The Heat clearly showed that it's easy to shut him down though. Trae is by far more talented, but totally flawed as a leader and his size is a HUGE problem.

Move Trae and surround Murray with better players is the way to go

I definitely get the concerns regarding Trae.

I will say, that Heat series was more about poor coaching than anything else. Spoelstra has owned McMillan in head to head matchups over the years.

And even ahead of the 2022 playoffs, The Athletic mentioned that Hawks Front Office feared McMillan would get outcoached. Factor in that we had little time to prepare for the series because of the Play-In Games and, well, that whole series was a mess.

I just can't walk away from an elite player in his prime because he's a poor leader...most of the top players around this league are also poor leaders.

Spoiler:

Harden, Kyrie, Luka, Durant.

Giannis and Anthony Edwards are strong Alpha Dogs that guys want to run through a wall for. The rest of these guys are just good at basketball.

[tbhawksfan1]

I actually like Murray more than Trae because Murray clearly showed that he knows how to get the team involved. The ball moved. The D improved. The O suffered but that is because Trae is a GOAT type offensive player. The Heat clearly showed that it's easy to shut him down though. Trae is by far more talented, but totally flawed as a leader and his size is a HUGE problem.

Move Trae and surround Murray with better players is the way to go

I definitely get the concerns regarding Trae.

I will say, that Heat series was more about poor coaching than anything else. Spoelstra has owned McMillan in head to head matchups over the years.

And even ahead of the 2022 playoffs, The Athletic mentioned that Hawks Front Office feared McMillan would get outcoached. Factor in that we had little time to prepare for the series because of the Play-In Games and, well, that whole series was a mess.

I just can't walk away from an elite player in his prime because he's a poor leader...most of the top players around this league are also poor leaders.

Spoiler:

Harden, Kyrie, Luka, Durant.

Giannis and Anthony Edwards are strong Alpha Dogs that guys want to run through a wall for. The rest of these guys are just good at basketball.

Yeah, but being a leader is part of the deal. You can't be the best player on the team and no one wants to follow. You have to be able to be good and bring your team along. Trae has shown zero ability or even desire to do that

A vet off the bench isn't going to solve the problem

[jayu70]

Hawks are going no where with what we have. CC is no longer a starter. Hunter is maybe a #5 starter. Trae and Murray didn't work. OO hasn't shown that he can be an effective starter and he really is too short to play C. Doesn't have the game to play PF. Only if he plays next to the perfect partner in the front court will he be a good starter

Jalen is looking great but he really needs to play a big SF...this team really does need to be completely rebuilt

It's ugly and frightening, but what we've been watching is worse. At least a rebuild has some entertainment value and hopium

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

Watching the Knicks and Pacers stumble their way through the playoffs, I fully believe this Hawks team is more talented than either of those teams.

• Quin Snyder is on par with any of the remaining coaches still in the postseason.
  
• Trae is at least as good as Ty Haliburton and Jalen Brunson.
  
• Jalen Johnson is the 3rd best Forward in the East.
  
• Okongwu is as good of a big off the bench as Naz Reid.
  
• Bogdan Bogdanovic was the real 6th man of the year by almost every advanced metric last season.
  
• And we're about to add an elite young player through the draft.

There is work to do, but too much talent on this team to simply give up after a bad, injury-plagued season.

I agree that the team is way more talented than the result, but it's the result that counts. The result has sucked for the last two seasons. What makes you think that this group minus CC and plus #1 pick is going to change the script?

That's just it....and again: picking #1 or #10 does not absolve the front office via the owner from addressing the depth and overall talent on the rest of the roster. Can't have another Wes Mathews type as our big FA signing this offseason and be talking 'avoiding the playin'. There is a $23 million TPE and $12 mil MLE just sitting, watching and waiting to don a Hawks jersey.