Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle?

[spree2kawhi]

There is nothing Randle does better than kat.

This is absolutely true. They might do a trade to save money, but we have to up the offer.

Absolutely false. This season Randle did 2 things better and is almost equal rebounder.


They are very close production wise. The question is what is more important to this team 3 point shooting and free throw shooting or.... play making? If the shooting and the extra spacing it would provide is more important, is it important enough to justify the extra salary that you have to trade out for Kat?

Chucking?

The numbers are misleading. Towns is the better and more efficient scorer and the better and more willing passer. How can you not see that?


Career stats:

Towns 22.9 ppg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%, 10.8 rpg
Randle 19.1 ppg, 47 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 9.4 rpg

I mean, come on. You‘re really trying too hard now.


Edit: What’s pathetic even: You’ve selected Towns playoff numbers vs Randle’s regular season. Towns averaged 21.8 ppg over the year. And how you can even attempt to twist these numbers in your favor given that KAT has a **** 44 3P% on the year is beyond me. Forty-four. He’s so much better, it’s ridiculous.

What’s your agenda? Towns > Randle. Easy.

[aggo]

This is absolutely true. They might do a trade to save money, but we have to up the offer.

Absolutely false. This season Randle did 2 things better and is almost equal rebounder.


They are very close production wise. The question is what is more important to this team 3 point shooting and free throw shooting or.... play making? If the shooting and the extra spacing it would provide is more important, is it important enough to justify the extra salary that you have to trade out for Kat?

Chucking?

The numbers are misleading. Towns is the better and more efficient scorer and the better and more willing passer. How can you not see that?


Career stats:

Towns 22.9 ppg, 50 FG%, 39.8 3P%, 10.8 rpg
Randle 19.1 ppg, 47 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 9.4 rpg

I mean, come on. You‘re really trying too hard now.

dont ask him to show the playoff stats

[spree2kawhi]

Absolutely false. This season Randle did 2 things better and is almost equal rebounder.


They are very close production wise. The question is what is more important to this team 3 point shooting and free throw shooting or.... play making? If the shooting and the extra spacing it would provide is more important, is it important enough to justify the extra salary that you have to trade out for Kat?

Chucking?

The numbers are misleading. Towns is the better and more efficient scorer and the better and more willing passer. How can you not see that?


Career stats:

Towns 22.9 ppg, 50 FG%, 39.8 3P%, 10.8 rpg
Randle 19.1 ppg, 47 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 9.4 rpg

I mean, come on. You‘re really trying too hard now.

dont ask him to show the playoff stats

Just edited. See above. Ridiculous.

[spree2kawhi]

This is absolutely true. They might do a trade to save money, but we have to up the offer.

Absolutely false. This season Randle did 2 things better and is almost equal rebounder.


They are very close production wise. The question is what is more important to this team 3 point shooting and free throw shooting or.... play making? If the shooting and the extra spacing it would provide is more important, is it important enough to justify the extra salary that you have to trade out for Kat?

Chucking?

The numbers are misleading. Towns is the better and more efficient scorer and the better and more willing passer. How can you not see that?


Career stats:

Towns 22.9 ppg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%, 10.8 rpg
Randle 19.1 ppg, 47 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 9.4 rpg

I mean, come on. You‘re really trying too hard now.


Edit: What’s pathetic even: You’ve selected Towns playoff numbers vs Randle’s regular season. Towns averaged 21.8 ppg over the year. And how you can even attempt to twist these numbers in your favor given that KAT has a **** 44 3P% on the year is beyond me. Forty-four. He’s so much better, it’s ridiculous.

What’s your agenda? Towns > Randle. Easy.

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[seren]

Kat could be the last piece for a contender. Not sure we have enough if you take out Randle and put Kat in and face the restrictions of second apron

[RHODEY]

This is absolutely true. They might do a trade to save money, but we have to up the offer.

Absolutely false. This season Randle did 2 things better and is almost equal rebounder.


They are very close production wise. The question is what is more important to this team 3 point shooting and free throw shooting or.... play making? If the shooting and the extra spacing it would provide is more important, is it important enough to justify the extra salary that you have to tra[img]de out for Kat?

Chucking? [/img]

The numbers are misleading. Towns is the better and more efficient scorer and the better and more willing passer. How can you not see that?


Career stats:

Towns 22.9 ppg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%, 10.8 rpg
Randle 19.1 ppg, 47 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 9.4 rpg

I mean, come on. You‘re really trying too hard now.


Edit: What’s pathetic even: You’ve selected Towns playoff numbers vs Randle’s regular season. Towns averaged 21.8 ppg over the year. And how you can even attempt to twist these numbers in your favor given that KAT has a **** 44 3P% on the year is beyond me. Forty-four. He’s so much better, it’s ridiculous.

What’s your agenda? Towns > Randle. Easy.

Nah his impact on winning historically seems less despite the higher efficiency. Randle led his team to the playoffs as the best player. When has Towns done that?

Towns has looked good this season. But he's not really hands down better than Randle in any area except when it comes to shooting efficiency. So you listing stats to show he's a more efficient shooter is redundant. Where are the stats to say he's a better playmaker.....?

And he's still soft and corny, does that vibe with our identity as a gritty team.


That said I might consider him just because of the shooting because it would open up the floor for us, but to me its not an obvious upgrade outside of that.

[spree2kawhi]

Absolutely false. This season Randle did 2 things better and is almost equal rebounder.


They are very close production wise. The question is what is more important to this team 3 point shooting and free throw shooting or.... play making? If the shooting and the extra spacing it would provide is more important, is it important enough to justify the extra salary that you have to tra[img]de out for Kat?

Chucking? [/img]

The numbers are misleading. Towns is the better and more efficient scorer and the better and more willing passer. How can you not see that?


Career stats:

Towns 22.9 ppg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%, 10.8 rpg
Randle 19.1 ppg, 47 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 9.4 rpg

I mean, come on. You‘re really trying too hard now.


Edit: What’s pathetic even: You’ve selected Towns playoff numbers vs Randle’s regular season. Towns averaged 21.8 ppg over the year. And how you can even attempt to twist these numbers in your favor given that KAT has a **** 44 3P% on the year is beyond me. Forty-four. He’s so much better, it’s ridiculous.

What’s your agenda? Towns > Randle. Easy.

Nah his impact on winning historically seems less despite the higher efficiency. Randle led his team to the playoffs as the best player. When has Towns done that?

Towns has looked good this season. But he's not really hands down better than Randle in any area except when it comes to shooting efficiency. So you listing stats to show he's a more efficient shooter is redundant. Where are the stats to say he's a better playmaker.....?

And he's still soft and corny, does that vibe with our identity as a gritty team.


That said I might consider him just because of the shooting because it would open up the floor for us, but to me its not an obvious upgrade outside of that.

I don’t think it’s a matter of taste or preference but really an objectively clear edge that Towns has. Size, shooting, decision making, the numbers even etc.

There are no stats that you can pull out to show the quality of his passes or playmaking when the skill is to not stop the ball. It is basketball IQ, of which the other player in question has only very little. Towns is a very willing passer. He moves the ball.

I guess we won’t settle this, but let me say that I think it’s because you’re refusing to see it.

[RHODEY]

Chucking? [/img]

The numbers are misleading. Towns is the better and more efficient scorer and the better and more willing passer. How can you not see that?


Career stats:

Towns 22.9 ppg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%, 10.8 rpg
Randle 19.1 ppg, 47 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 9.4 rpg

I mean, come on. You‘re really trying too hard now.


Edit: What’s pathetic even: You’ve selected Towns playoff numbers vs Randle’s regular season. Towns averaged 21.8 ppg over the year. And how you can even attempt to twist these numbers in your favor given that KAT has a **** 44 3P% on the year is beyond me. Forty-four. He’s so much better, it’s ridiculous.

What’s your agenda? Towns > Randle. Easy.

Nah his impact on winning historically seems less despite the higher efficiency. Randle led his team to the playoffs as the best player. When has Towns done that?

Towns has looked good this season. But he's not really hands down better than Randle in any area except when it comes to shooting efficiency. So you listing stats to show he's a more efficient shooter is redundant. Where are the stats to say he's a better playmaker.....?

And he's still soft and corny, does that vibe with our identity as a gritty team.


That said I might consider him just because of the shooting because it would open up the floor for us, but to me its not an obvious upgrade outside of that.

I don’t think it’s a matter of taste or preference but really an objectively clear edge that Towns has. Size, shooting, decision making, the numbers even etc.

There are no stats that you can pull out to show the quality of his passes or playmaking when the skill is to not stop the ball. It is basketball IQ, of which the other player in question has only very little. Towns is a very willing passer. He moves the ball.

I guess we won’t settle this, but let me say that I think it’s because you’re refusing to see it.

Size - ok he's 2 inches taller and so?

Shooting - already mentioned

decision making - ehh they are almost dead even here , Towns gives you 2.7 TO's a game Randle 2.8 over his career.

The numbers - Randle had a higher scoring average and 66 percent more Assists a game. He's a WAY better play-maker than towns

Historically neither have exhibited high bball IQ's but both have shown the ability to improve.


Sorry , but I don't buy that Towns is vastly superior overall.

[KOA]

Nah his impact on winning historically seems less despite the higher efficiency. Randle led his team to the playoffs as the best player. When has Towns done that?

Towns has looked good this season. But he's not really hands down better than Randle in any area except when it comes to shooting efficiency. So you listing stats to show he's a more efficient shooter is redundant. Where are the stats to say he's a better playmaker.....?

And he's still soft and corny, does that vibe with our identity as a gritty team.


That said I might consider him just because of the shooting because it would open up the floor for us, but to me its not an obvious upgrade outside of that.

I don’t think it’s a matter of taste or preference but really an objectively clear edge that Towns has. Size, shooting, decision making, the numbers even etc.

There are no stats that you can pull out to show the quality of his passes or playmaking when the skill is to not stop the ball. It is basketball IQ, of which the other player in question has only very little. Towns is a very willing passer. He moves the ball.

I guess we won’t settle this, but let me say that I think it’s because you’re refusing to see it.

Size - ok he's 2 inches taller and so?

Shooting - already mentioned

decision making - ehh they are almost dead even here , Towns gives you 2.7 TO's a game Randle 2.8 over his career.

The numbers - Randle had a higher scoring average and 66 percent more Assists a game. He's a WAY better play-maker than towns

Historically neither have exhibited high bball IQ's but both have shown the ability to improve.


Sorry , but I don't buy that Towns is vastly superior overall.

It really isn’t close… KAT has a career 62% TS vs Randles 56%. Just how big of a difference is that? Well for comparison, the most efficient scorer the Knicks have had in decades is Brunson at 59%.

Then when you look at playoff efficiency, the disparity just widens.

That being said, given the contract situations, Towns isn’t the answer.

Would love to get someone on a cheaper contract that can provide more efficient scoring than what Randle gives. Maybe we can get someone like Reid from Minnesota with all their cap issues.

[RHODEY]

I don’t think it’s a matter of taste or preference but really an objectively clear edge that Towns has. Size, shooting, decision making, the numbers even etc.

There are no stats that you can pull out to show the quality of his passes or playmaking when the skill is to not stop the ball. It is basketball IQ, of which the other player in question has only very little. Towns is a very willing passer. He moves the ball.

I guess we won’t settle this, but let me say that I think it’s because you’re refusing to see it.

Size - ok he's 2 inches taller and so?

Shooting - already mentioned

decision making - ehh they are almost dead even here , Towns gives you 2.7 TO's a game Randle 2.8 over his career.

The numbers - Randle had a higher scoring average and 66 percent more Assists a game. He's a WAY better play-maker than towns

Historically neither have exhibited high bball IQ's but both have shown the ability to improve.


Sorry , but I don't buy that Towns is vastly superior overall.

It really isn’t close… KAT has a career 62% TS vs Randles 56%. Just how big of a difference is that? Well for comparison, the most efficient scorer the Knicks have had in decades is Brunson at 59%.

Then when you look at playoff efficiency, the disparity just widens.

That being said, given the contract situations, Towns isn’t the answer.

Would love to get someone on a cheaper contract that can provide more efficient scoring than what Randle gives. Maybe we can get someone like Reid from Minnesota with all their cap issues.

When you look at tangible results the disparity narrows...because there is not stat for being soft.

[Wildcat]

This KAT vs. Randle debate will go on forever. Each player offers something different to a squad and are good at what they do. Comes down to preference. Knicks don't have to mimic T-Wolves. Last year we were making fun of them. I prefer bully ball Randle with our current team. That was the missing element. A reliable inside presence. KAT only makes sense if you're actually going to utilize him to his full potential on the offense. I don't know if that's possible under a Thibs offense.

[knicks94]

Am I the only person who saw the title of this thread and originally thought it was about Katt Williams?

[spree2kawhi]

Size - ok he's 2 inches taller and so?

Shooting - already mentioned

decision making - ehh they are almost dead even here , Towns gives you 2.7 TO's a game Randle 2.8 over his career.

The numbers - Randle had a higher scoring average and 66 percent more Assists a game. He's a WAY better play-maker than towns

Historically neither have exhibited high bball IQ's but both have shown the ability to improve.


Sorry , but I don't buy that Towns is vastly superior overall.

It really isn’t close… KAT has a career 62% TS vs Randles 56%. Just how big of a difference is that? Well for comparison, the most efficient scorer the Knicks have had in decades is Brunson at 59%.

Then when you look at playoff efficiency, the disparity just widens.

That being said, given the contract situations, Towns isn’t the answer.

Would love to get someone on a cheaper contract that can provide more efficient scoring than what Randle gives. Maybe we can get someone like Reid from Minnesota with all their cap issues.

When you look at tangible results the disparity narrows...because there is not stat for being soft.

There also is no stat for bad decision making like missing the open man, tunnel vision, overdribbling, ball sticking like gum, fumbles because you dribble into traffic and whatnot. It’s also not like Randle regularly is the toughest competitor out there. That just isn’t the same as working out during the offseason. This is getting embarrassing.

[spree2kawhi]

This KAT vs. Randle debate will go on forever. Each player offers something different to a squad and are good at what they do. Comes down to preference. Knicks don't have to mimic T-Wolves. Last year we were making fun of them. I prefer bully ball Randle with our current team. That was the missing element. A reliable inside presence. KAT only makes sense if you're actually going to utilize him to his full potential on the offense. I don't know if that's possible under a Thibs offense.

That isn’t even true. KAT is much more dominant down low. Towns offers everything Randle does and so much more. It isn’t even close.

[RHODEY]

This KAT vs. Randle debate will go on forever. Each player offers something different to a squad and are good at what they do. Comes down to preference. Knicks don't have to mimic T-Wolves. Last year we were making fun of them. I prefer bully ball Randle with our current team. That was the missing element. A reliable inside presence. KAT only makes sense if you're actually going to utilize him to his full potential on the offense. I don't know if that's possible under a Thibs offense.

That isn’t even true. KAT is much more dominant down low. Towns offers everything Randle does and so much more. It isn’t even close.

Do you have stats to back up your claim that Kat is more dominant down low ?

[spree2kawhi]

This KAT vs. Randle debate will go on forever. Each player offers something different to a squad and are good at what they do. Comes down to preference. Knicks don't have to mimic T-Wolves. Last year we were making fun of them. I prefer bully ball Randle with our current team. That was the missing element. A reliable inside presence. KAT only makes sense if you're actually going to utilize him to his full potential on the offense. I don't know if that's possible under a Thibs offense.

That isn’t even true. KAT is much more dominant down low. Towns offers everything Randle does and so much more. It isn’t even close.

Do you have stats to back up your claim that Kat is more dominant down low ?

Look, I think it is ridiculous to even doubt that, given how he just punished the Nuggets around the basket. The touch and intelligence he has shown in the post while at the same time picking his spots and shots wisely is so much more than what we’ve seen from Randle. It is blatantly clear to a point that I think I’d rather not invest more time into this debate. If had to, I’d look into advanced shooting stats, but given that KAT has by far better shooting numbers across the board even at first glance, I’ll just leave it at that - especially since you’re clearly just in denial and trying to spin it regardless of your obviously failed argument.

Most importantly, Towns has been a or even the key player defensively and offensively in their recent takedown of the defending champions, which makes this whole thing even more laughable. Randle couldn’t even guard Towns around the basket, let alone produce remotely comparable efficiency in any aspect of the game really. Towns would be a major upgrade. Just let it go.

[NowWHYcee7]

Rather go to war with Randle any day of the week

[Wildcat]

This KAT vs. Randle debate will go on forever. Each player offers something different to a squad and are good at what they do. Comes down to preference. Knicks don't have to mimic T-Wolves. Last year we were making fun of them. I prefer bully ball Randle with our current team. That was the missing element. A reliable inside presence. KAT only makes sense if you're actually going to utilize him to his full potential on the offense. I don't know if that's possible under a Thibs offense.

That isn’t even true. KAT is much more dominant down low. Towns offers everything Randle does and so much more. It isn’t even close.

I know your agenda has you disliking Randle, but c'mon, this is a stat that's easily trackable.

FG less than 5 FT away: 218/354 (KAT) | 201/316 (Randle).
FG in the Restricted Area: 196/317 (KAT) | 180/267 (Randle).
FG in The Paint: 112/218 (KAT) | 101/234 (Randle).
Layups: 168/301 (KAT) |169/282 (Randle).
FT: 255/292 (KAT) | 236/302 (Randle).

Take the Assist/TO ratio anyway you like (16.9/11.7 [Randle] to 13.1/12.2 [KAT]).

This with KAT playing 18 more games than him. I'm not even throwing shade on KAT. I like him, but he's not a physical player, so my this comes down to a preference thing. I prefer Randle's style of play in 23/24. It's obvious Randle made a point to play a more physical, interior game this season.

[spree2kawhi]

This KAT vs. Randle debate will go on forever. Each player offers something different to a squad and are good at what they do. Comes down to preference. Knicks don't have to mimic T-Wolves. Last year we were making fun of them. I prefer bully ball Randle with our current team. That was the missing element. A reliable inside presence. KAT only makes sense if you're actually going to utilize him to his full potential on the offense. I don't know if that's possible under a Thibs offense.

That isn’t even true. KAT is much more dominant down low. Towns offers everything Randle does and so much more. It isn’t even close.

I know your agenda has you disliking Randle, but c'mon, this is a stat that's easily trackable.

FG less than 5 FT away: 218/354 (KAT) | 201/316 (Randle).
FG in the Restricted Area: 196/317 (KAT) | 180/267 (Randle).
FG in The Paint: 112/218 (KAT) | 101/234 (Randle).
Layups: 168/301 (KAT) |169/282 (Randle).
FT: 255/292 (KAT) | 236/302 (Randle).

Take the Assist/TO ratio anyway you like (16.9/11.7 [Randle] to 13.1/12.2 [KAT]).

This with KAT playing 18 more games than him. I'm not even throwing shade on KAT. I like him, but he's not a physical player, so my this comes down to a preference thing. I prefer Randle's style of play in 23/24. It's obvious Randle made a point to play a more physical, interior game this season.

How the hell do you come away under the impression that Randle could be any more dominant or a meaningfully more positive presence down low?

[god shammgod]

they're in the wcf. they aint trading him. this thread is pointless.