OKC - Toronto: Poeltl for Giddey+

[MessiahUjiri]

OKC is widely reported to shop Giddey rather than pay his extension. They need help in their front court.

Toronto is in a rebuild, and wants to accumulate young players and picks. Poeltl was a super impactful player last year, but he’s more valuable to a contender.



Jak Poeltl, ‘24 #19
for
Josh Giddey, ‘24 #12, ‘25 MEM 2nd



Thunder get their starting C. Raptors tank.

OKC has cap room and a heavy bag of 1st rounders left for future moves.

[Godaddycurse]

Theres been a poeltl for giddey thread recently already

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2379767

[Colbinii]

Massive overpay by OKC

[Clav]

So OKC trade the younger player with greater potential than Poeltl, gives Raps contract control and PGoF, yet OKC adds the better pick. Jak can't shoot from range, he solves one part of the problem but doesnt' help spacing so its a hard no from OKC.

[Devilanche]

Value are about equal for the 2 players or giddey worth a tad more for upside.

I don’t believe that OKC should be adding .

If OKC need to add this much probably should consider going for another center instead either via trade or in free agency (as unlikely as that might be for any free agent to choose us)

[oldncreaky]

Theres been a poeltl for giddey thread recently already

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2379767

These threads will be fascinating to revisit in a year, when I suspect Giddey will be a RFA regardless of what team has him at the time -- and the market will weigh in with what he is worth.

For Toronto, I just don't see enough upside in Giddey to justify giving up much for him. I don't think he's good enough to be the lead/best guard on a good team, and both his shot and his D need to take a significant leap for him to become a rotation-level player in the playoffs. Sadly for Giddey, this same logic works with the woeful Pistons as well.

If Toronto is going to tank, might as well trade Poeltl for pure filler and picks -- but I strongly suspect the Toronto FO is going to give the Barnes/Barrett/Quickley core at least a season+ to show if they have any upside and therefore I think any "Toronto trades to tank" ideas are completely unrealistic. Toronto has got some obvious holes (backup PG, another big) and should use the room/assets it has to fix the holes it has rather than creating a new one.

[Texas Chuck]

and both his shot and his D need to take a significant leap for him to become a rotation-level player in the playoffs.

So Dallas rendered him unplayable for sure. Though even with that, OKC wasn't better off when they benched him.

But just as it was important to point out to the poster claiming he couldn't start on anything but the worst team in the league, that he in fact started 80 games for the best team in the West, well it feels important to point out, he was 5th in minutes for the Thunder in round 1. 13/5/3 on 47/50/83 with a very solid defensive rating.

Now that 3-pt shooting is pure sample size, but I have issues personally saying a guy cannot do something, that I literally just saw him do.

The narrative on him based on the Dallas series has just ran away from the reality of the other 84 games he played this year. And if that makes me the only guy not giving up on him, so be it. But I think we are overreacting to one series pretty significantly.

Again, he's not Jalen Brunson, but Jalen Brunson got benched in a Dallas playoff series once after having a good regular season just like Giddey had. It was just a terrible matchup and he got taken out of it.

[MessiahUjiri]

and both his shot and his D need to take a significant leap for him to become a rotation-level player in the playoffs.

So Dallas rendered him unplayable for sure. Though even with that, OKC wasn't better off when they benched him.

But just as it was important to point out to the poster claiming he couldn't start on anything but the worst team in the league, that he in fact started 80 games for the best team in the West, well it feels important to point out, he was 5th in minutes for the Thunder in round 1. 13/5/3 on 47/50/83 with a very solid defensive rating.

Now that 3-pt shooting is pure sample size, but I have issues personally saying a guy cannot do something, that I literally just saw him do.

The narrative on him based on the Dallas series has just ran away from the reality of the other 84 games he played this year. And if that makes me the only guy not giving up on him, so be it. But I think we are overreacting to one series pretty significantly.

Again, he's not Jalen Brunson, but Jalen Brunson got benched in a Dallas playoff series once after having a good regular season just like Giddey had. It was just a terrible matchup and he got taken out of it.

Giddey is clearly a gifted passer, but he doesn’t really bend the defense with any creative dribbling and you likely need another creator guard with him.

Hes a mediocre to average shooter, so teams will just always go under the screen.

He’s not a great finisher or defender.

He’s got good size so he can rebound and run.





So his role is basically a Kyle Anderson type of connector player, who can be played off the court in the closing minutes of a playoff game.

He’s still young, and shows good passion. So he will have demand. But it’s no longer about thinking of him as a “top 6” pick prospect.

[BarbaGrizz]

The trade is Poetl + 2 2nds for Giddey

[islandboy53]

Theres been a poeltl for giddey thread recently already

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2379767

These threads will be fascinating to revisit in a year, when I suspect Giddey will be a RFA regardless of what team has him at the time -- and the market will weigh in with what he is worth.

For Toronto, I just don't see enough upside in Giddey to justify giving up much for him. I don't think he's good enough to be the lead/best guard on a good team, and both his shot and his D need to take a significant leap for him to become a rotation-level player in the playoffs. Sadly for Giddey, this same logic works with the woeful Pistons as well.

If Toronto is going to tank, might as well trade Poeltl for pure filler and picks -- but I strongly suspect the Toronto FO is going to give the Barnes/Barrett/Quickley core at least a season+ to show if they have any upside and therefore I think any "Toronto trades to tank" ideas are completely unrealistic. Toronto has got some obvious holes (backup PG, another big) and should use the room/assets it has to fix the holes it has rather than creating a new one.

Agreed. This core has upside. The question is how much, and how best to grow the rotation along with it. Bottom line, though, Toronto is not tanking, so trades that improve the team around the margins and/or add draft picks using Brown, Boucher or even a Trent sign and trade are far more realistic than shipping out Poeltl or Olynyk.

[Devilanche]

He’s still young, and shows good passion. So he will have demand. But it’s no longer about thinking of him as a “top 6” pick prospect.

I be very surprised if he have anywhere close to top 6 pick value or upside now.

Probably between 4th start to 8th man is his probable final range ?
I don’t think you want him to be your top 3 option but eventually when rotation are shortened in the playoffs I think he’s still going play ?

I could be wrong obviously.

[LightTheBeam]

Not a fan of either player. But certainly don't think Toronto is owed a jump into the lotto. Toronto overpaid for Poeltl but thats not close to his real value.

[Thaddy]

The Raptors are highly unlikely to agree to this deal. The GM and president have made it clear that tanking is not in their plans for next season. Instead, they aim to remain competitive, possibly opting for a strategy similar to the soft tank approach they employed this year. There’s a strong concern within the organization about the negative impact a full-scale tank could have on team culture.

As for Josh Giddey, he’s more of a small forward/power forward hybrid than a traditional guard. His shooting skills don’t meet the standard for guards, and his lateral quickness is lacking. This makes it challenging to classify his potential. Defensively, he’s relatively easy to contain, a switchable big man or power forward can usually handle him without much trouble, given his limited explosiveness and subpar shooting from the corner, where he averages just 36% for his career.

[Tripod]

Raps are not creating a huge hole at C that they have been trying to fill for a few years. They need a good C for the development of IQ and Barnes.

And the last thing the Raps need is a guard who can't shoot or play defense.

Orlando is where Giddey fits. Suggs can take on the defensive responsibilities and Giddey can be the ball handler on offense taking pressure off Banchero and Wagner. And overall, Orlando's team defence helps cover for Giddey.

[wegotthabeet]

The trade is Poetl + 2 2nds for Giddey

Nah zero interest in Giddey. The fit is horrible with the Raps.

Would do Pöltl + #32 + another 2nd for the #12 though.

[giberish]

Poeltl feels like a horrible fit for OKC. A big part of Chet's value is that they can play with everyone at least a bit of a 3-point threat. Chet is their starting center, they don't need another one (a veteran backup center would be useful, but Poeltl's too expensive in both salary and trade value for that lower minutes role).

For OKC, I'd be looking to add a solid vet forward to start next to Williams. Preferably a PF or at least a bigger SF. I wouldn't be looking for a starting center.

Granted I don't really see Giddy on Toronto making sense either. So it's a bad fit both ways.

[Devilanche]

The trade is Poetl + 2 2nds for Giddey

Nah zero interest in Giddey. The fit is horrible with the Raps.

Would do Pöltl + #32 + another 2nd for the #12 though.

Nah no interest in that for #12

[sonictecture]

No interest in Poetl.