Free Agency

[LaSheed]

Poole is a sixth man, even played better in Washington as one, I would take on Poole but not for anything more than Ivey

Are you saying you'd trade Ivey for Poole?

Jordan Poole is the most toxic contract in the entire NBA. He's like if you took away Ivey's growth potential, made him somehow an even worse defender and shooter, gave him worse shot selection, and you paid him a near-max deal lol.

No idea why people think he would look better on this team. We're the only team that was more of a disaster than Washington lol. He's a guy that does a lot of one-on-one stuff, just heaving up shots. Up there with Trae for worst defender in the league. Worse 3pt shooter than Ivey last year. Absolutely a terrible fit with Cade in essentially every way. Grimes (if healthy) and Ivey are both better fits and better players (which isn't saying much).

I'd need multiple 1sts just to absorb his money (which obviously makes no sense for WAS). Definitely not giving anything of value.

Dude is a stain on Washington's salary cap for the next 3 years.

BDM LAYING THE POOLE HAMMER!!

[theBigLip]

Poole is a sixth man, even played better in Washington as one, I would take on Poole but not for anything more than Ivey

Are you saying you'd trade Ivey for Poole?

Jordan Poole is the most toxic contract in the entire NBA. He's like if you took away Ivey's growth potential, made him somehow an even worse defender and shooter, gave him worse shot selection, and you paid him a near-max deal lol.

No idea why people think he would look better on this team. We're the only team that was more of a disaster than Washington lol. He's a guy that does a lot of one-on-one stuff, just heaving up shots. Up there with Trae for worst defender in the league. Worse 3pt shooter than Ivey last year. Absolutely a terrible fit with Cade in essentially every way. Grimes (if healthy) and Ivey are both better fits and better players (which isn't saying much).

I'd need multiple 1sts just to absorb his money (which obviously makes no sense for WAS). Definitely not giving anything of value.

Dude is a stain on Washington's salary cap for the next 3 years.

Agreed. Taking on negative contracts needs a LOT of sweetner. And any contract over $25M has to be solid since it takes up so much cap space and handcuffs our flexibility. Grimes for #2 and Poole? I’d have to think about it, but that’s the type of offer it would take.

[Kalamazoo317]

We have enough of a losing culture here without adding players that drip with losing culture, like Poole. I think Washington is too talent needy to trade a top 2 pick (even in this draft) to shed salary anyway. What are they going to use that salary for?

[theBigLip]

We have enough of a losing culture here without adding players that drip with losing culture, like Poole. I think Washington is too talent needy to trade a top 2 pick (even in this draft) to shed salary anyway. What are they going to use that salary for?

Poole has also been around winning culture until that Draymond punch. But yeah, not the risk we need to take.

As for Washington, it’s never too early to get their cap in order. If they can get off Poole’s contract, they should, even for little/no compensation.

[LaSheed]

Man I hope me make it difficult for Denver and KCP

[A_dub06]

Being a pistons fan really is difficult right now and even discussions based on the team quite polarising. It all boils down to how each individual views Cade and whether he is HIM or not. If you think he’s not, you’re most likely in the camp of tear this down again and hope with a new front office a proper rebuild with a plan and direction can take place and if you think Cade is HIM, then you’ll want to simply get whatever the best players that are available to surround and support Cade. With the players that are available, these directions are completely opposite meaning there’s not really a middle ground between the two sides.

[SuperBad]

It’s like 12 hours later but I do not want Poole for Ivey, he would be the only young piece I’m considering trading unless we’re getting back a near all star, that 2# and Sarr don’t really interest me either

[A_dub06]

It’s like 12 hours later but I do not want Poole for Ivey, he would be the only young piece I’m considering trading unless we’re getting back a near all star, that 2# and Sarr don’t really interest me either

The ONLY reason we would be doing a trade for Poole would be to get the #2 pick. They aren’t giving away Avdija to dump pool but in a weak draft maybe the pick as well as giving them either Ivey or Duren.

I’d do it if Sarr was available but not if he wasn’t.

[Neptune]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

[theBigLip]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

I agree on not getting Poole and also not trading Ivey. But Monk is a free agent, so shouldn’t we go after him?

[A_dub06]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

I think you haven’t read through all the posts and you’re missing the context. What I posted was trading Ivey and/or Duren for Poole and the Wizards #2 pick but only if Sarr was available. I believe you it would be hard to find anyone here that wants Poole in any capacity but the prize was Sarr in this circumstance.

[Canadafan]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

How about we trade Ivey+#5 for Markkanen and then sign Monk

[Neptune]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

I agree on not getting Poole and also not trading Ivey. But Monk is a free agent, so shouldn’t we go after him?

Yeah, using the cap space to make our team better is absolutely a great idea. Just keep our assets and let the young guys develop. Let see what we really have here before we trade it and regret it later.

[Neptune]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

I think you haven’t read through all the posts and you’re missing the context. What I posted was trading Ivey and/or Duren for Poole and the Wizards #2 pick but only if Sarr was available. I believe you it would be hard to find anyone here that wants Poole in any capacity but the prize was Sarr in this circumstance.

I'm on the side of proven talent. Sarr is still a question mark. He's not the shooter we need at the 4 and we don't know if he'll be better than Duren or Stewart. So we give up a guy who flashed potential (Ivey) for freaking Jordan Poole (who's a proven sixth man on an insane contract) and a guy who really doesn't fit as the 4 we need in the future (Sarr)?

Wouldn't it be wise to stay at the 5th spot and hope Zaccharie Risacher(who at least projects to be a shooter) drops or trade the pick for someone who we know can shoot at the 3 or 4?

[Neptune]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

How about we trade Ivey+#5 for Markkanen and then sign Monk

Utah would probably ask for more Ivey+#5 for Lauri. You know Utah is always greedy! Lol

[Billl]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

How about we trade Ivey+#5 for Markkanen and then sign Monk

Because utah would hang up the phone laughing? Ivey has late first round pick value right now.

[bstein14]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

How about we trade Ivey+#5 for Markkanen and then sign Monk

Because utah would hang up the phone laughing? Ivey has late first round pick value right now.

I tend to agree after what we've seen from Ivey his pick range for a straight up trade is likely between #19 to mid 20s. I think he still has a lot of upside but he's been wildly inconsistent and the effort/IQ has also been lacking on defense.

[A_dub06]

Monk and Poole? Some people here really make me question there logic in basketball.

You have a guy who played through injuries the whole season and actually showed potential, but folks want to trade him for Monk and freaking Jordan Poole? Why not actually let Ivey develop and continue to build this season with our cap space. We can even trade the pick and use our cap space to get a good proven player, but folks are asking for Monk and freaking Poole. Some of yall are crazy as hell!

I think you haven’t read through all the posts and you’re missing the context. What I posted was trading Ivey and/or Duren for Poole and the Wizards #2 pick but only if Sarr was available. I believe you it would be hard to find anyone here that wants Poole in any capacity but the prize was Sarr in this circumstance.

I'm on the side of proven talent. Sarr is still a question mark. He's not the shooter we need at the 4 and we don't know if he'll be better than Duren or Stewart. So we give up a guy who flashed potential (Ivey) for freaking Jordan Poole (who's a proven sixth man on an insane contract) and a guy who really doesn't fit as the 4 we need in the future (Sarr)?

Wouldn't it be wise to stay at the 5th spot and hope Zaccharie Risacher(who at least projects to be a shooter) drops or trade the pick for someone who we know can shoot at the 3 or 4?

Sarr is a Center not a power forward. He’ll be able to play there in time but for the first couple of seasons he’s a 5. Duren is bad defensively and average-slightly above average on offense. Sarr will come out of the gate with good defence and good form on his outside shot which I think will come round making him a stretch 5. I’d be happier giving up Duren over Ivey since if Ivey can improve his shot he’ll be a productive player but nothing will fix Durens defence, and he will never be a shooter.

Risacher looks more like he just had a hot steak early on with his shooting because his ft% is trash and he shot poorly the last 3rd of the season. He can’t create for himself, he’s not super long or crazy athletic by NBA standards, I don’t know how anyone could say he will be or projects to be a better player than Sarr.

The fact that you think Sarr is a 4 shows you haven’t really done your homework.

[theBigLip]

I think you haven’t read through all the posts and you’re missing the context. What I posted was trading Ivey and/or Duren for Poole and the Wizards #2 pick but only if Sarr was available. I believe you it would be hard to find anyone here that wants Poole in any capacity but the prize was Sarr in this circumstance.

I'm on the side of proven talent. Sarr is still a question mark. He's not the shooter we need at the 4 and we don't know if he'll be better than Duren or Stewart. So we give up a guy who flashed potential (Ivey) for freaking Jordan Poole (who's a proven sixth man on an insane contract) and a guy who really doesn't fit as the 4 we need in the future (Sarr)?

Wouldn't it be wise to stay at the 5th spot and hope Zaccharie Risacher(who at least projects to be a shooter) drops or trade the pick for someone who we know can shoot at the 3 or 4?

Sarr is a Center not a power forward. He’ll be able to play there in time but for the first couple of seasons he’s a 5. Duren is bad defensively and average-slightly above average on offense. Sarr will come out of the gate with good defence and good form on his outside shot which I think will come round making him a stretch 5. I’d be happier giving up Duren over Ivey since if Ivey can improve his shot he’ll be a productive player but nothing will fix Durens defence, and he will never be a shooter.

Risacher looks more like he just had a hot steak early on with his shooting because his ft% is trash and he shot poorly the last 3rd of the season. He can’t create for himself, he’s not super long or crazy athletic by NBA standards, I don’t know how anyone could say he will be or projects to be a better player than Sarr.

The fact that you think Sarr is a 4 shows you haven’t really done your homework.

Maybe you should as well. I was listening to a draft podcast and they said Sarr isn’t strong enough yet to play the 5. He will have to grow into it like Mobley. He plays D but does not have an elite skill at the moment.

[SuperBad]

I want Gnecht or Sheppard preferably, we can still sign Monk, I’d like us to go after Moody as well.