Which star would you be trying to get for the Jazz?

[AingesBurner]

I mean, this is kind of true, but Sexton and Markkanen are also going to hate playing here and end up playing with minimal passion if our goal is "let's just miss the playoffs and hope we get really lucky!"

It will also reduce their value by a good bit, reducing the amount of potential good picks we could have.

The bad odds for the #1 pick do mean that most rebuilds nowadays have to be 5-7 year rebuilds.

The Jazz also owe a top 10 protected pick next year and top 8 the year after so they would have to do aggressive post ASB tanking two years in a row.

Over the last twenty years, most championship teams built their rosters through trades and FA. The Warriors and Spurs being the outliers, but the Warriors won with their own stars who were selected at 7, 12, and in the 2nd round. The draft is a crap shoot and good scouting is more important than top picks.

Okay, but like

Who are the Jazz going to possibly get through trade or free agency.

Jerami Grant or Zach LaVine look like the best case scenarios right now.

It doesn’t have to be right now.

[Mr Loggins]

would the jazz feel comfortable giving Lauri the max next season and counting him as a foundational player?

[HadAnEffectHere]

would the jazz feel comfortable giving Lauri the max next season and counting him as a foundational player?

If the Jazz don't get four quality picks for Lauri, they'll keep give him the max.

He's not going to be a foundational player unless Collin Sexton turns into Jalen Brunson, but the Jazz will just keep him until they get a good offer or are forced to trade him.

[AingesBurner]

would the jazz feel comfortable giving Lauri the max next season and counting him as a foundational player?

If the Jazz don't get four quality picks for Lauri, they'll keep give him the max.

He's not going to be a foundational player unless Collin Sexton turns into Jalen Brunson, but the Jazz will just keep him until they get a good offer or are forced to trade him.

The Jazz don’t need to trade him because his game will age nicely but they need to start building a competitive team by next year. They have the assets to get deals done. If we can’t a star player this year then you trade Clarkson, Collins, and Sexton (if you can get a tasty first).

[Wolverine]

Giddey - when he had the ball in his hands was solid. Could be had for cheap

[Catchall]

Jazz really need more talent on rookie-scale and, more importantly, long-term team control. They need to keep drafting to build their foundation. Then they can look at adding a star.

If you look at Dallas, for example, every move they make is enabled by the fact that they have Luka. They can add Kyrie, add Derrick Lively, add PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. The Jazz don't have a foundation to build from.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jazz really need more talent on rookie-scale and, more importantly, long-term team control. They need to keep drafting to build their foundation. Then they can look at adding a star.

If you look at Dallas, for example, every move they make is enabled by the fact that they have Luka. They can add Kyrie, add Derrick Lively, add PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. The Jazz don't have a foundation to build from.

I mean, drafting a superstar is the path to contention, yes, but drafting a superstar prospect will probably take 3-4 years at least and probably closer to 7-9 years and then they'll need another 2-5 years to become a superstar.

[BigJimFinn]

Jazz really need more talent on rookie-scale and, more importantly, long-term team control. They need to keep drafting to build their foundation. Then they can look at adding a star.

If you look at Dallas, for example, every move they make is enabled by the fact that they have Luka. They can add Kyrie, add Derrick Lively, add PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. The Jazz don't have a foundation to build from.

I mean, drafting a superstar is the path to contention, yes, but drafting a superstar prospect will probably take 3-4 years at least and probably closer to 7-9 years and then they'll need another 2-5 years to become a superstar.

Looking at the teams that featured in the second round, Indiana seems the most feasible model for Utah.
That would mean trading Sexton (and obviously Collins and Clarkson if you can) with distant picks for guys that could become the next Hali, ie. recent lottery picks who haven't made a breakthrough yet, possibly due to being behind an established guy on their current team. For the right guy who is already looking good, like Hali was at Sac, you could even trade Lauri.
This would also help Jazz into better drafting positions for a couple years, while playing a lot of young guys to choose the ones worth developing, but the time span to being good could be 2-3 years shorter than by going full scorched earth with draft assets only.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jazz really need more talent on rookie-scale and, more importantly, long-term team control. They need to keep drafting to build their foundation. Then they can look at adding a star.

If you look at Dallas, for example, every move they make is enabled by the fact that they have Luka. They can add Kyrie, add Derrick Lively, add PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. The Jazz don't have a foundation to build from.

I mean, drafting a superstar is the path to contention, yes, but drafting a superstar prospect will probably take 3-4 years at least and probably closer to 7-9 years and then they'll need another 2-5 years to become a superstar.

Looking at the teams that featured in the second round, Indiana seems the most feasible model for Utah.
That would mean trading Sexton (and obviously Collins and Clarkson if you can) with distant picks for guys that could become the next Hali, ie. recent lottery picks who haven't made a breakthrough yet, possibly due to being behind an established guy on their current team. For the right guy who is already looking good, like Hali was at Sac, you could even trade Lauri.
This would also help Jazz into better drafting positions for a couple years, while playing a lot of young guys to choose the ones worth developing, but the time span to being good could be 2-3 years shorter than by going full scorched earth with draft assets only.

The Pacers are a so so team that has gotten to the ECF off of pure injury luck, there is no model.

[BigJimFinn]

I mean, drafting a superstar is the path to contention, yes, but drafting a superstar prospect will probably take 3-4 years at least and probably closer to 7-9 years and then they'll need another 2-5 years to become a superstar.

Looking at the teams that featured in the second round, Indiana seems the most feasible model for Utah.
That would mean trading Sexton (and obviously Collins and Clarkson if you can) with distant picks for guys that could become the next Hali, ie. recent lottery picks who haven't made a breakthrough yet, possibly due to being behind an established guy on their current team. For the right guy who is already looking good, like Hali was at Sac, you could even trade Lauri.
This would also help Jazz into better drafting positions for a couple years, while playing a lot of young guys to choose the ones worth developing, but the time span to being good could be 2-3 years shorter than by going full scorched earth with draft assets only.

The Pacers are a so so team that has gotten to the ECF off of pure injury luck, there is no model.

Yet they have found a top-10 young franchise player, which I understood to be your question.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Looking at the teams that featured in the second round, Indiana seems the most feasible model for Utah.
That would mean trading Sexton (and obviously Collins and Clarkson if you can) with distant picks for guys that could become the next Hali, ie. recent lottery picks who haven't made a breakthrough yet, possibly due to being behind an established guy on their current team. For the right guy who is already looking good, like Hali was at Sac, you could even trade Lauri.
This would also help Jazz into better drafting positions for a couple years, while playing a lot of young guys to choose the ones worth developing, but the time span to being good could be 2-3 years shorter than by going full scorched earth with draft assets only.

The Pacers are a so so team that has gotten to the ECF off of pure injury luck, there is no model.

Yet they have found a top-10 young franchise player, which I understood to be your question.

That's a good point and sorry for misinterpreting your post, but I don't know how likely that is to find...

You basically need a team to have two extremely high level prospects who don't fit at all together.

There are some guys who will be traded due to being a bad fit this summer (Jarrett Allen, Darius Garland, Brandon Ingram, Dejounte Murray), but none of those guys are good or young enough to suggest they could develop into a high-tier star.

[BigJimFinn]

The Pacers are a so so team that has gotten to the ECF off of pure injury luck, there is no model.

Yet they have found a top-10 young franchise player, which I understood to be your question.

That's a good point and sorry for misinterpreting your post, but I don't know how likely that is to find...

You basically need a team to have two extremely high level prospects who don't fit at all together.

There are some guys who will be traded due to being a bad fit this summer (Jarrett Allen, Darius Garland, Brandon Ingram, Dejounte Murray), but none of those guys are good or young enough to suggest they could develop into a high-tier star.

Agreed that none of those are true star level players, and trading a lot of assets for one of those could lead to a trap of overpaying to keep them. That's why I'd rather bet on some guys still on their rookie deal with real growth potential remaining. I don't think a path exists where Jazz are likely to get a real franchise star anytime soon, but this plan at least would retain flexibility.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Yet they have found a top-10 young franchise player, which I understood to be your question.

That's a good point and sorry for misinterpreting your post, but I don't know how likely that is to find...

You basically need a team to have two extremely high level prospects who don't fit at all together.

There are some guys who will be traded due to being a bad fit this summer (Jarrett Allen, Darius Garland, Brandon Ingram, Dejounte Murray), but none of those guys are good or young enough to suggest they could develop into a high-tier star.

Agreed that none of those are true star level players, and trading a lot of assets for one of those could lead to a trap of overpaying to keep them. That's why I'd rather bet on some guys still on their rookie deal with real growth potential remaining. I don't think a path exists where Jazz are likely to get a real franchise star anytime soon, but this plan at least would retain flexibility.

It's hard to see any guy still on their rookie deal with upside whose team would want to move other than Dyson Daniels.

Like... Maybe Ausar Thompson, Jarace Walker, and Anthony Black are available? I wouldn't think so without Lauri in the trade and I don't know if Ausar or Jarace have much upside.

Maybe Cason Wallace is gettable if the Jazz blow the Thunder away with an offer? But Cason's ceiling is probably Jrue Holiday and not a superstar.

Jaden Ivey and Bennedict Mathurin are probably available, but they've been so bad that it's hard to project them as future superstars.

Jalen Green and Josh Giddey are probably available, but again, hard to project those guys being top 25 players in the NBA at this point.

[dr0welf]

I would look to help some of the other teams in their rebuild by trading some of our picks for their players. Go after Anfernee Simons in Portland as I don't think he fits in their new timeline. Go after Cade Cunningham as he will be needing star money before they are ready with a supporting team for him. And maybe go after Embiid in Philadelphia as they start a needed rebuild.

Could cost us 4 first for Embiid, 2 and a swap for Cade, and a first for Simons?? As long as we don't lose Sexton and Markkanen we would have a pretty solid team with a legit star in Embiid, Allstar in Markkanen, and Sexton, Cade, and Simons all with potential to be all stars. Including 3 firsts in this draft it could help someone like Philly kickstart a rebuild.

[Inigo Montoya]

There is no way we can get all these players and still retain Markkanen and Sexton, not to mention that two of them are probably off the market anyway.

Embiid is the Sixers' cornerstone and as long as they're not tearing it all down he's going to stay there. Since they are looking to reload with a lot of free cap space, he's not a realistic target.

Cunningham is similarly the cornerstone of the Pistons, even though they are awful. They desperately need more talent and there is no way they are letting him walk, they will gladly pay him.

Simons is not really a star. Nice player, but he just might be what Keyonte will be in 3-4 years. I don't think the fit is ideal and he won't be changing the Jazz's trajectory.

Sad to say but the Jazz should get any star they can, beggars can't be choosers. Trae Young has a lot of negatives (contract, bad defense, bad shot selection and inefficiency) but he can pass and run a team, and could elevate Markkanen's game and get everyone easy shots. I won't be thrilled with a trade for Young (especially since I don't know what the eventual cost will be) but I'd understand it. And with a different environment and a different coach maybe some of his bad shot selection could be coached away and it will also make him more efficient.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I have serious reservations about trading for Trae Young.

First, with his contract and an extended Markkanen, you are now building around the edges with supporting players.

Second, his defense is really bad. Who will play alongside him to counter that?

Third, do the Jazz become the Hawks after the trade? A team that makes the playoffs, but barely and loses in the first round.

[dr0welf]

Trae is not the answer. And yes the three I suggested are long shots at best. But all three make since to be traded on a business perspective. Embiid only has a few good years left. Unless they can swing for Butler and someone else their is no way to get him enough solid support while he's still a cornerstone. Best bet would cash in now and start a rebuild.

Detroit should add some top level players around Cade. He will get paid and then demand a trade because Detroit will fail at adding the right people around him.

Simmons is not a star but is a decent player that could possibly be had. And would fit well with the group after the trades IMHO.

Trae Young will be a difficult player to build a championship team around. His defense makes John Collins look like Rudy Gobert. If you wanted to go with a team like the old Houston team where you don't worry about defense and just outshoot everyone then he would fit well.

[AingesBurner]

My assumed offseason:

Dump Collins into space with a pick
Renounce FAs
Offer OG 32-35/year for 4 years
Trade for Murray
R&E Lauri at slight team discount
Re-sign Dunn

Murray-George-OG-Lauri-Kessler

Playoff team and has enough picks for one more potential move next offseason

[AingesBurner]

UTA out: Collins, #10, #29, #32, best of the 25 picks, 2nd best of the 27 picks, best of the 26 swap, and 2nds
Utah in: Murray

Chicago out: Vuc and Caruso
Chicago in: Collins, #29, #32, and a future 2nd

ATL out: Murray
ATL in: Vuc, Caruso, #10, best 25 pick, 2nd best 27 pick, best 26 swap, and a future 2nd

[Inigo Montoya]

UTA out: Collins, #10, #29, #32, best of the 25 picks, 2nd best of the 27 picks, best of the 26 swap, and 2nds
Utah in: Murray

Absolutely not. This is a massive overpayment for Murray. I'd lead an armed revolt if it happens.