Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[dakomish23]

Tyus Jones is a UFA. I don't see it possible we can get him unless he takes an exception we can offer - idk if we even have any. I haven't looked at our cap sheet or the CBA rules for where we are.

**** man. This guy would have been perfect here

Not sure why you keep bringing up Tyus.

He’s a small PG who doesnt defend well. He can facilitate and backup Jalen but they wouldn’t be able to play together much, if at all. Seems like a waste of resources.

Any guard we get should be able to play some 1 and 2, or else they’re stuck only playing 12 mpg behind Jalen.

Same thing with backup PF. If Precious could shoot he’d be a perfect backup 4/5, but he cant. While Mitch can only play the 5. Obi couldn’t play the 5 with his lack of rebounding/defense, so he was stuck behind Julius exclusively.

Easier said than done, but we need more versatile players.

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He can def play next to Jalen for spurts. This myth that he can't is debunked by the fact we play small guards next to Brunson plenty.

He's a good shooter, floor general & can let Brunson play off the ball so he doesn't have to go hard core ISO every time to get his FGA

[Wildcat]

Why not start Caruso over Donte then?

I love me some Ragu, but if we have Jalen, Julius, and OG starting those are 3 good offensive options.

Donte really took off once Julius and OG went down. Before that he was barely averaging 10 ppg.

Caruso could play the D/3 role at SG and Donte becomes 6th man offensive sparkplug.

Alex is not mid. He’s a 6’5” elite defender who has some PG skills and can shoot 40% from 3. He’s basically the guard version of OG.

Donte was averaging 15 PPG with JB, Randle, and OG. 13 PPG game before the OG trade. Donte also spreads the fall a bit more than Alex. I prefer Donte as 2-guard.

Those Donte averages are slightly skewed because of his big 38 pt game at the end of December (the day we traded RJ and IQ for OG, who wasnt with us yet) and his 28 and 33 pt games at the end of January (when Julius and OG were already out).

Point is Donte leveled up after Julius and OG went down. He had a solid January with them and the team was winning, but his minutes/role was a bit sporadic.

Caruso is a better defender than Donte, while still providing similar shooting, so he may theoretically fit better with the starters while Donte cooks bench units. Alex can play with Jalen and Donte too, so they’d share all of the guard minutes.

Just a thought. Maybe Ragu can get back to focusing on defense more again this season with less offensive load, but Alex is elite as is.

Jalen
Alex
OG
Julius
Isaiah

Donte
Josh
Bojan
Mitch

That’s a pretty damn good and balanced 9 man, assuming Deuce goes out for Alex and no other moves are made.

Alex, OG, and Isaiah are all in the top 6 of Defensive EPM in the whole league, and they’d be starting for us.

Negative on the December numbers, correct on the January numbers. Those numbers were from January 1st to January 30th. Here's another angle. Donte being able to cook out there makes it easier for the offense. In the month of January (not counting the last 2 games), Randle had 6 30 point games and Jalen had 7 30 point games (and 1 40 point game). It was already a nightmare to double off Randle/JB, but add Donte to the mix -- particularly this deadeye version of himself -- and I'm completely sold.

No question about Alex's defense, but I didn't look at the starting lineup in January and thought our defense was terrible. But I also don't think Alex will get the same respect on offense like Donte does from opposing teams.

[TrueWarrior]

Tyus Jones is a UFA. I don't see it possible we can get him unless he takes an exception we can offer - idk if we even have any. I haven't looked at our cap sheet or the CBA rules for where we are.

**** man. This guy would have been perfect here

Not sure why you keep bringing up Tyus.

He’s a small PG who doesnt defend well. He can facilitate and backup Jalen but they wouldn’t be able to play together much, if at all. Seems like a waste of resources.

Any guard we get should be able to play some 1 and 2, or else they’re stuck only playing 12 mpg behind Jalen.

Same thing with backup PF. If Precious could shoot he’d be a perfect backup 4/5, but he cant. While Mitch can only play the 5. Obi couldn’t play the 5 with his lack of rebounding/defense, so he was stuck behind Julius exclusively.

Easier said than done, but we need more versatile players.

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He can def play next to Jalen for spurts. This myth that he can't is debunked by the fact we play small guards next to Brunson plenty.

He's a good shooter, floor general & can let Brunson play off the ball so he doesn't have to go hard core ISO every time to get his FGA

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

According to EPM above, he was only in the 3rd percentile for defense this season.

His offense was 88th percentile, which is great, but he was non existent on defense.

His past RAPTOR numbers confirm the same, as he was always negative on defense there besides one season 7 years ago.

Cant just post highlights man. Tyus is a good player, but not really the best fit here unless he’s happy playing 15 mpg. I definitely would not want him and Jalen playing together for longer than a couple minutes sometimes.

[dakomish23]

Not sure why you keep bringing up Tyus.

He’s a small PG who doesnt defend well. He can facilitate and backup Jalen but they wouldn’t be able to play together much, if at all. Seems like a waste of resources.

Any guard we get should be able to play some 1 and 2, or else they’re stuck only playing 12 mpg behind Jalen.

Same thing with backup PF. If Precious could shoot he’d be a perfect backup 4/5, but he cant. While Mitch can only play the 5. Obi couldn’t play the 5 with his lack of rebounding/defense, so he was stuck behind Julius exclusively.

Easier said than done, but we need more versatile players.

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He can def play next to Jalen for spurts. This myth that he can't is debunked by the fact we play small guards next to Brunson plenty.

He's a good shooter, floor general & can let Brunson play off the ball so he doesn't have to go hard core ISO every time to get his FGA

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

According to EPM above, he was only in the 3rd percentile for defense this season.

His offense was 88th percentile, which is great, but he was non existent on defense.

His past RAPTOR numbers confirm the same, as he was always negative on defense there besides one season 7 years ago.

Cant just post highlights man. Tyus is a good player, but not really the best fit here unless he’s happy playing 15 mpg. I definitely would not want him and Jalen playing together for longer than a couple minutes sometimes.

So don't believe what we see with our own eyes? It is not uncommon for the eye test to not line up with the advanced stats

[Knicksfan1992]

I love Caruso and i've been pushing for him throughout this thread but comparing his shooting to DDV is utterly insane and disingenuous. Given the difficulty of shots DDV had to take and make at times this season, he was one of the best shooters in the league full stop. Caruso is a fine shooter but he's not bending the defense the same as DDV. Not even close tbh.

[TrueWarrior]

I love Caruso and i've been pushing for him throughout this thread but comparing his shooting to DDV is utterly insane and disingenuous. Given the difficulty of shots DDV had to take and make at times this season, he was one of the best shooters in the league full stop. Caruso is a fine shooter but he's not bending the defense the same as DDV. Not even close tbh.

Obviously Donte is a better shooter since he does it on higher volume and difficulty. Alex still shot 41% from 3 this year on 4.7 attempts, compared to Donte’s 40% on 8.7 attempts.

Im just making an argument for starting Alex if we got him, because he would balance the lineup better than if he came off the bench.

Donte will only be the 3rd/4th option as a starter with a healthy lineup, sharing with OG basically, but off the bench he would be the 1st/2nd option depending on who he’s out there with.

We should all agree that Alex is a better defender than Donte and Deuce. They are solid, but Alex is All NBA defense for a reason. He’s Marcus Smart level.

So it depends what we need more in the starting unit, offense or defense. We can make arguments for both. Donte would play with the starters plenty too.

Alex would defend the best guard, OG would defend the best wing/forward, and Isaiah/Mitch man the paint. That’s about as good of defenders as we could put next to Jalen and Julius.

[Ma10]

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And defensive second this year, just saying!

[HarthorneWingo]

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He can def play next to Jalen for spurts. This myth that he can't is debunked by the fact we play small guards next to Brunson plenty.

He's a good shooter, floor general & can let Brunson play off the ball so he doesn't have to go hard core ISO every time to get his FGA

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

According to EPM above, he was only in the 3rd percentile for defense this season.

His offense was 88th percentile, which is great, but he was non existent on defense.

His past RAPTOR numbers confirm the same, as he was always negative on defense there besides one season 7 years ago.

Cant just post highlights man. Tyus is a good player, but not really the best fit here unless he’s happy playing 15 mpg. I definitely would not want him and Jalen playing together for longer than a couple minutes sometimes.

So don't believe what we see with our own eyes? It is not uncommon for the eye test to not line up with the advanced stats

I pulled up a 2024 free agent list and saw Tyus's name on it. He would be an excellent choice.

[Knicksfan1992]

I love Caruso and i've been pushing for him throughout this thread but comparing his shooting to DDV is utterly insane and disingenuous. Given the difficulty of shots DDV had to take and make at times this season, he was one of the best shooters in the league full stop. Caruso is a fine shooter but he's not bending the defense the same as DDV. Not even close tbh.

Obviously Donte is a better shooter since he does it on higher volume and difficulty. Alex still shot 41% from 3 this year on 4.7 attempts, compared to Donte’s 40% on 8.7 attempts.

Im just making an argument for starting Alex if we got him, because he would balance the lineup better than if he came off the bench.

Donte will only be the 3rd/4th option as a starter with a healthy lineup, sharing with OG basically, but off the bench he would be the 1st/2nd option depending on who he out there with.

We should all agree that Alex is a better defender than Donte and Deuce. They are solid, but Alex is All NBA defense for a reason. He’s Marcus Smart level.

So it depends what we need more in the starting unit, offense or defense. We can make arguments for both, but Alex and Donte would play equally with the starters.

Alex would defend the best guard, OG would defend the best wing/forward, and Isaiah/Mitch man the paint. That’s about as good of defenders as we could put next to Jalen and Julius.

I agree, for the most part, I made a similar case for Caruso earlier in the thread. However, I think you can make an argument that DDV’s dynamic off-ball threat is more important to the starting lineup functioning well than Caruso’s defense would be. Especially if Mitch and OG are locked in starters going into next year.

Plus Thibs has his favorites when it comes to closing (Brunson/Randle and a lot of times Hart) but he generally rides the hot hands to close games anyway so who starts doesn’t really end up mattering.

I do think people generally balk at the idea of giving up multiple picks for defense first guards/wings because it's hard to see the tangible effects of it, people tend to use wing defense as a way to prop up mid or sub-elite players who aren’t actually all that impactful on that end but are passable, and it’s been generally determined that it’s the least impactful part of a basketball team but, I do think Caruso fits the exception to this. Almost every impact metric has his defense as being elite as it gets. I laid out the metrics a few pages ago but a lot of them paint him as an OG level defender.

I also understand the argument that he provides a lot of overlap with our other guys and that it’s “not worth it”. I would contend that the Knicks need to just look for impact guys around Brunson. Whether that be an established star or guys whose games seemingly enhance other stars around them. We don’t really need “inning eaters” anymore. Think about how the Warriors built around Steph…. Draymond may not be a star in every situation but, with Steph, specifically, they were a lightning rod for each other. Same with Rodman w/Jordan and Pippen. I see Caruso in a similar mold where, yeah on his face he’s a 10ppg 20-30 minute guy but his impact goes WAY beyond that.

[3toheadmelo]

fk them hustle guys we got plenty of them, we need some offensive players. we should be looking at the following players that will probably be available this summer

donovan mitchell
brandon ingram
paul george
dejounte murray
collin sexton
bones hyland (potential to be high upside)

[3toheadmelo]

we should also be looking to move mitch. the guy is just injury prone. you can't rely on him anymore

[Meat]

fk them hustle guys we got plenty of them, we need some offensive players. we should be looking at the following players that will probably be available this summer

donovan mitchell
brandon ingram
paul george
dejounte murray
collin sexton
bones hyland (potential to be high upside)

sexton could be such a brilliant 6th man.

[HarthorneWingo]

fk them hustle guys we got plenty of them, we need some offensive players. we should be looking at the following players that will probably be available this summer

donovan mitchell
brandon ingram
paul george
dejounte murray
collin sexton
bones hyland (potential to be high upside)

How about just adding Randle and OG?

[WargamesX]

we should also be looking to move mitch. the guy is just injury prone. you can't rely on him anymore

But when he is even semi-healthy he can go toe to toe with Embiid. A lot of bigs can’t say that even at 100%.

[WargamesX]

Side note are there any half way decent backup PG’s out there? Tyus is probably gonna cost too much, but we need somebody who can let Brunson sit about 8-12 minutes a game and the offense doesn’t devolve to everyone for themselves.

[3toheadmelo]

fk them hustle guys we got plenty of them, we need some offensive players. we should be looking at the following players that will probably be available this summer

donovan mitchell
brandon ingram
paul george
dejounte murray
collin sexton
bones hyland (potential to be high upside)

How about just adding Randle and OG?

my plan would be to add one of those players with randle and og. extra insurance on offense in case one of them goes down with an injury again. although some of these guys have injury risks as well admittingly.

[RHODEY]

fk them hustle guys we got plenty of them, we need some offensive players. we should be looking at the following players that will probably be available this summer

donovan mitchell
brandon ingram
paul george
dejounte murray
collin sexton
bones hyland (potential to be high upside)

Agree ...how many hustle guys do we want to keep stacking on this team? We have Hart, We have Ragu, we had Grimes, now we want to add another 6'4" defensive specialist?

[3toheadmelo]

we should also be looking to move mitch. the guy is just injury prone. you can't rely on him anymore

But when he is even semi-healthy he can go toe to toe with Embiid. A lot of bigs can’t say that even at 100%.

it doesnt seem like he can even stay semi healhy anymore. that's the problem.

[kNicksGmen]

any thoughts on revisiting a murray trade? i know it's not perfect for a bunch of reasons... but i think it could be one of the better realistic options out there - depending on price obviously (which has gone up). i still wonder how the season plays out had we have been able to get him.

my concern with him isn't fit as much as his personality working with our group. brunson can play off ball and then you always have 1 of brunson or murray on the court at all times. murray runs the bench unit with deuce, divo, hart and mitch. can mix and match the rotation and closing lineup depending on who's hot and the matchup.

[HarthorneWingo]

fk them hustle guys we got plenty of them, we need some offensive players. we should be looking at the following players that will probably be available this summer

donovan mitchell
brandon ingram
paul george
dejounte murray
collin sexton
bones hyland (potential to be high upside)

How about just adding Randle and OG?

my plan would be to add one of those players with randle and og. extra insurance on offense in case one of them goes down with an injury again. although some of these guys have injury risks as well admittingly.

Acquiring one of those guys will mean gutting the bench. I would look to just add some bench help like maybe Oubre and Tyus.

I don't know that our cap situation will allow us to bring in a player that makes that much money. Plus, we have iHart who we need to sign along with the other guys. Where's the cap space coming from? And what are you willing to give up in contracts in order to make a deal like that work?