Nets- Knicks-Bulls

[drchaos]

Not sure about the draft picks (value) on this one so some feedback would be welcome:

Brooklyn Gets: Lonzo Ball PG (Bulls), Bojan Bogdanovic SF (Knicks), Coby White PG/SG (Bulls), Pick # 13 this year (Bulls)

Brooklyn Gives: Cam Johnson SF (to Knicks), Dorian Finney-Smith PF/SF (to Bulls), Dennis Schroeder PG (to Bulls), Philadelphia 2027 first round pick, protected 1-8 (to Knicks)

Knicks Get: Cam Johnson SF (Nets), Nikola Vucavec C (Bulls), Jevon Carter PG (Bulls), Philadelphia 2027 first round pick, protected 1-8 (Nets)

Knicks Give: Julius Randle PF (to Bulls), Bojan Bogdanovic SF (to Nets), Picks # 24 & 25 this year (to Bulls)

Bulls Get: Julius Randle PF (to Bulls), Dorian Finney-Smith PF/SF (from Nets), Dennis Schroeder PG (from Nets), Picks # 24 & 25 this year (from Knicks)

Bulls Give: Lonzo Ball PG (to Netss), Nikola Vucavec C (to Knicks), Coby White PG/SG (to Nets), Pick # 13 this year (to Nets)

Why for Nets?: Nets are clearing cap space for next Summer while pursuing the youth movement. Bojan brings scoring now and expires at the end of the year. Ball is an expiring contract who puts a band aid on the point guard position for a year but if he does well with a change of scenery the Nets could keep him or trade him at the deadline instead of letting his contract expire. Getting a pick in the middle of the first round this year might help them fill a hole without sacrificing future cap space next Summer.

Why for the Knicks?: Knicks get a young player in Cam Johnson and clear cap by replacing Randle with Vucavec. As a veteran team looking to win now the Knicks don't have room for two rookies and instead get a future pick that could go as high as pick nine overall.

Why for Bulls? : Julius Randle is the best player in the deal and is and can provide leadership. DFS is a solid defender on a great contract. Schroder takes over the point guard position. If they aren't sold on the players available at # 13 maybe getting two players is better than one.

[Texas Chuck]

Seems really bad for the Knicks who get worse players and give up immediate picks for a future one. I don't understand the point for the Bulls. RAndle/DFS are win now players, but now you have no center or PG so you are just treading water, but gave up a lotto pick.

Seems amazing for the Nets though. Dump Johnson's money, and gets White and a lottery pick? But really hard to see the other teams interested at all.

[Colbinii]

There is just no way the off-season goes so poorly where the Knicks make a trade which results in the following:

1) Losing Talent [Randle > Cam Johnson]
2) Adding mediocre long-term salary [Vucevic]
3) Trade current draft picks for future draft picks without a high ceiling [#24 and #25 for 2027 PHI 1st]

New York gets absolutely skewered here.

[drchaos]

Seems really bad for the Knicks who get worse players and give up immediate picks for a future one. I don't understand the point for the Bulls. RAndle/DFS are win now players, but now you have no center or PG so you are just treading water, but gave up a lotto pick.

Seems amazing for the Nets though. Dump Johnson's money, and gets White and a lottery pick? But really hard to see the other teams interested at all.

Thanks for the feedback.

The idea was for the Knicks to get off of Randle's contract and add a younger player in Cam Johnson to replace and aging Bojan.

The Nets can't take Randle if they want to play the free agent game next Summer.

Not really sure where the Bulls are going but I thought they might make a good home for Randle.

Any ideas how to make this trade more interesting for the Knicks and Bulls?

[Colbinii]

Seems really bad for the Knicks who get worse players and give up immediate picks for a future one. I don't understand the point for the Bulls. RAndle/DFS are win now players, but now you have no center or PG so you are just treading water, but gave up a lotto pick.

Seems amazing for the Nets though. Dump Johnson's money, and gets White and a lottery pick? But really hard to see the other teams interested at all.

Thanks for the feedback.

The idea was for the Knicks to get off of Randle's contract and add a younger player in Cam Johnson to replace and aging Bojan.

Huh?

Randle isn't overpaid. He is paid 30 Million next year and is likely an expiring next year. Exactly what money are they "getting off of" when they are then tied to worse players in Vuc and Cam?

Any ideas how to make this trade more interesting for the Knicks and Bulls?

DFS to New York
#25 and Bojan to Brooklyn

Simple, straight to the point, Brooklyn get's a 1st for DFS.

[drchaos]

Seems really bad for the Knicks who get worse players and give up immediate picks for a future one. I don't understand the point for the Bulls. RAndle/DFS are win now players, but now you have no center or PG so you are just treading water, but gave up a lotto pick.

Seems amazing for the Nets though. Dump Johnson's money, and gets White and a lottery pick? But really hard to see the other teams interested at all.

Thanks for the feedback.

The idea was for the Knicks to get off of Randle's contract and add a younger player in Cam Johnson to replace and aging Bojan.

Huh?

Randle isn't overpaid. He is paid 30 Million next year and is likely an expiring next year. Exactly what money are they "getting off of" when they are then tied to worse players in Vuc and Cam?

Any ideas how to make this trade more interesting for the Knicks and Bulls?

DFS to New York
#25 and Bojan to Brooklyn

Simple, straight to the point, Brooklyn get's a 1st for DFS.

How about this?:

Knicks Get: DFS (Nets) Javon Carter (Bulls)
Knicks Give Bojan (to Nets), Pick # 25 (to Bulls)

Nets Get: Coby White (Bulls), Bojan (Knicks), Lonzo Ball (Bulls), Pick # 13 (Bulls)
Nets Give: DFS (to Knicks), Cam Johnson (to Bulls), Dennis Schroeder (to Bulls), Philly 2027 first protected 1-8 (to Bulls)

Bulls Get Cam Johnson (Nets), Dennis Schroeder (Nets), Pick # 25 (Knicks)
Bulls Give: Coby White (to Nets), Lonzo Ball (to Nets), Javon Carter (to Knicks), Pick # 13 to Nets, Philly 2027 first protected 1-8 (Nets)

Why for Knicks?: Get a good defender locked up on a cheap contract in exchange for a late first rounder and an expiring Bojan

Why for Nets?: Clear future draft capital, get younger, and add draft capital

Why for Bulls?: Get a building block in Cam Johnson for an expiring Lonzo Ball

[Colbinii]

Thanks for the feedback.

The idea was for the Knicks to get off of Randle's contract and add a younger player in Cam Johnson to replace and aging Bojan.

Huh?

Randle isn't overpaid. He is paid 30 Million next year and is likely an expiring next year. Exactly what money are they "getting off of" when they are then tied to worse players in Vuc and Cam?

Any ideas how to make this trade more interesting for the Knicks and Bulls?

DFS to New York
#25 and Bojan to Brooklyn

Simple, straight to the point, Brooklyn get's a 1st for DFS.

How about this?:

Knicks Get: DFS (Nets) Javon Carter (Bulls)
Knicks Give Bojan (to Nets), Pick # 25 (to Bulls)

Nets Get: Coby White (Bulls), Bojan (Knicks), Lonzo Ball (Bulls), Pick # 13 (Bulls)
Nets Give: DFS (to Knicks), Cam Johnson (to Bulls), Dennis Schroeder (to Bulls), Philly 2027 first protected 1-8 (to Bulls)

Bulls Get Cam Johnson (Nets), Dennis Schroeder (Nets), Pick # 25 (Knicks)
Bulls Give: Coby White (to Nets), Lonzo Ball (to Nets), Javon Carter (to Knicks), Pick # 13 to Nets, Philly 2027 first protected 1-8 (Nets)

Why for Knicks?: Get a good defender locked up on a cheap contract in exchange for a late first rounder and an expiring Bojan

Why for Nets?: Clear future draft capital, get younger, and add draft capital

Why for Bulls?: Get a building block in Cam Johnson for an expiring Lonzo Ball

Ah, so now the Bulls get skewered. You are trolling at this point. "Get a building block in Cam Johnson for an expiring Lonzo Ball", yet the Bulls trade a younger Coby White AND #13, yet Cam Johnson is the building block? Stop trolling.

You can't actually think Cam Johnson is a better building block than Coby White or Pick #13.

Just take the Bulls out man. DFS for Bojan + #25.

[Colbinii]

If the Bulls really want to turn Ball into Cam Johnson.

Chicago Out: Lonzo Ball [Expiring], Jevon Carter, 2025 POR 1st
Chicago In: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn Out: Cam Johnson, Dorian Finney-Smith
Brooklyn In: Lonzo Ball, Bojan Bogdanovic, #24, 2025 POR 1st

New York Out: Bojan Bogdanovic, #24
New York In: Dorian Finney-Smith, Jevon Carter

Chicago adds Cam Johnson as a glue-guy who can play the 3-4 next to Coby/LaVine/DDR, retaining Pick #13 and Coby White in the process.

Brooklyn Adds 2 1sts, one for Cam Johnson and one for DFS.

New York uses a 1st and expiring to add an impact player in DFS and a stop-gap, back-up PG in Carter.

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls are at #11 so you know.

Too many problems with this anyway. Coby White even staying the same is on a great just signed contract, he is just not the guy the Bulls want to move. If he improves, it's his team. Now with Julius Randle are the Bulls resigning Demar DeRozan, resigning Patrick Williams and are they trading Zach Lavine. The big 3 of those 4 cannot survive with only one basketball. An awful lottery team with locker room problems. And with Drummond a FA, they have no centers. BRILLIANT

DFS solid, what does Torrey Craig do? Does Patrick Williams even play?

What is BRK smoking? They still have Ben Simmons who's games played is a joke so they add on the completely uncertain Lonzo Ball for another $20M. Nuts at best. Lonzo has had 2 1/2 years of not playing, it ain't Chicago that's his problem.

Awful

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, Brooklyn gets cut out in any version of this I picture..