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Re: The CAA Spin Machine 

Post#41 » by god shammgod » Tue May 21, 2024 10:44 pm

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god shammgod wrote:

Agreed, Randle will have to go. I’m not gonna just name a bunch of guys because who knows who’s available or not. When healthy I still don’t think we have enough high level shot creation. It would be nice if the guy could play d too but who knows if we’ll be able to get that. My guess is that they don’t get anyone noteworthy this summer but maybe somebody shakes loose during the season.


Windhorst def thinks we will get someone. Bill Simmons says he thinks it only a matter of time and thinks Mikal Bridges is the ideal fit (I guess all depending on if the Nets can make another move) because keeping Bridges at some of his peak value on a bad team makes no sense for a high end role player.

It doesn't need to be a name star. It could just be someone that is seen as a very effective two-way player in a similar light as OG. Like he's not in the conversation as one of the best players in the league but he's one of the best two-way players and if we determine that players impact to help put us over the top).

I think we def need more size whether thats at guard or at the wing. It doesn't sound like Embiid is realistic anymore especially not with the jump Maxey made this playoffs and Sixers probably try to add to that roster with there space.

I think the mold for the NBA is have two high level offensive players and then have a team structure and identity with the rest of the players that are impactful and buy in.

Suns fizzled out because they had no team...they had 3 high level scorers but didn't have depth or role players.

Mavs playing well - Luka/Kyrie but then have guys like Josh Green, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford/Lively ect
Twolves - Ant/KAT with basically just role players and defenders. Naz Reid type having a big impact
Boston - Tatum/Brown and then to a lesser extent KP (but they got those elite role players like Whie/Jrue

even a team like Indy with Haliburton and Siakam are the two name players but those guys like Turner/Nesmith/McConnell really impacting playoff games.

probably getting something similar with Sixers.

Now obviously if Giannis becomes available sure...but if not I don't know who that player is. Paul George probably would be a good fit but the age and injury concerns worry me. I don't know if there is a younger version of him available but that type of player.


Spot on. The days of 3 superstars taking up 90% of a team's cap are over.

F*ck the Pacers. I don't respect them. But look at the remaining clubs:

Minnesota: Ant-Man, 3 high level bigs, a good PG, young wings.

Dallas: Luka, Kyrie, defenders and shooters

Boston: Tatum, Brown, and a high end supporting cast

It's all about having the most complete team now and not doing what Brooklyn and Phoenix did, just throwing 3 super max contracts together and praying it works. It's not 2010.

This roster is already set even if no moves are made. But obviously, some retooling is in order because Thibs at least needs 9 to 10 guys he can trust to play at all times.


minny will have 3 stars all on max deals next year though. gobert is a star, it's just not on offense. the celtics start 4 guys who have been all-stars and will have the most expensive starting 5 in the history of basketball. they have 4 guys making over 30 this year and in 2 years 2 of those guys will be making 50 each. you guys are kind of twisting the rules to fit this narrative. you can win with 2 or 3 if it's the right players. people point to the suns but maybe that's just a bad threesome and not the example that sets the rule. the clippers looked pretty good when healthy with their big 3. and sure you need good role players but you always needed some of those.
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Re: The CAA Spin Machine 

Post#42 » by MrDollarBills » Tue May 21, 2024 11:03 pm

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Windhorst def thinks we will get someone. Bill Simmons says he thinks it only a matter of time and thinks Mikal Bridges is the ideal fit (I guess all depending on if the Nets can make another move) because keeping Bridges at some of his peak value on a bad team makes no sense for a high end role player.

It doesn't need to be a name star. It could just be someone that is seen as a very effective two-way player in a similar light as OG. Like he's not in the conversation as one of the best players in the league but he's one of the best two-way players and if we determine that players impact to help put us over the top).

I think we def need more size whether thats at guard or at the wing. It doesn't sound like Embiid is realistic anymore especially not with the jump Maxey made this playoffs and Sixers probably try to add to that roster with there space.

I think the mold for the NBA is have two high level offensive players and then have a team structure and identity with the rest of the players that are impactful and buy in.

Suns fizzled out because they had no team...they had 3 high level scorers but didn't have depth or role players.

Mavs playing well - Luka/Kyrie but then have guys like Josh Green, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford/Lively ect
Twolves - Ant/KAT with basically just role players and defenders. Naz Reid type having a big impact
Boston - Tatum/Brown and then to a lesser extent KP (but they got those elite role players like Whie/Jrue

even a team like Indy with Haliburton and Siakam are the two name players but those guys like Turner/Nesmith/McConnell really impacting playoff games.

probably getting something similar with Sixers.

Now obviously if Giannis becomes available sure...but if not I don't know who that player is. Paul George probably would be a good fit but the age and injury concerns worry me. I don't know if there is a younger version of him available but that type of player.


Spot on. The days of 3 superstars taking up 90% of a team's cap are over.

F*ck the Pacers. I don't respect them. But look at the remaining clubs:

Minnesota: Ant-Man, 3 high level bigs, a good PG, young wings.

Dallas: Luka, Kyrie, defenders and shooters

Boston: Tatum, Brown, and a high end supporting cast

It's all about having the most complete team now and not doing what Brooklyn and Phoenix did, just throwing 3 super max contracts together and praying it works. It's not 2010.

This roster is already set even if no moves are made. But obviously, some retooling is in order because Thibs at least needs 9 to 10 guys he can trust to play at all times.


minny will have 3 stars all on max deals next year though. gobert is a star, it's just not on offense. the celtics start 4 guys who have been all-stars and will have the most expensive starting 5 in the history of basketball. they have 4 guys making over 30 this year and in 2 years 2 of those guys will be making 50 each. you guys are kind of twisting the rules to fit this narrative. you can win with 2 or 3 if it's the right players. people point to the suns but maybe that's just a bad threesome and not the example that sets the rule. the clippers looked pretty good when healthy with their big 3. and sure you need good role players but you always needed some of those.


Good points, especially about the Wolves. But regarding the Knicks:

I happen to think that OG is a game changing defensive stud. I may be alone on this, but his ability is star quality. It's just his health I'm concerned about, but otherwise OG's two way impact is insanely good. Ridiculous even.

Randle is an all nba, all star level player.

Brunson is a superstar.

Nova Boys, Mitch, Deuce, Hartenstein, Bojan...excellent supporting cast.

I don't think the Knicks are as far away as you might think, but some housekeeping is definitely on the way.
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Post#43 » by WargamesX » Tue May 21, 2024 11:40 pm

I am not going to lie CAA has me reconsidering my views on nepotism and insider trading….
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Post#44 » by seren » Wed May 22, 2024 12:18 am

CAA has been great for the Knicks. Finally we have some basketball people who actually have connections and can make things happen running the show. As opposed to Phil, posse, Jackson or all the other clueless idiots before him
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Post#45 » by sol537 » Wed May 22, 2024 12:21 am

seren wrote:CAA has been great for the Knicks. Finally we have some basketball people who actually have connections and can make things happen running the show. As opposed to Phil, posse, Jackson or all the other clueless idiots before him


It’s finally time we got some breaks in the back room deals department. Miami, Boston, Lakers, and even GSW have been using questionable means of building their title teams… why not us?
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Post#46 » by Davis18 » Wed May 22, 2024 1:03 am

CAA, Klutch, or AAA doesn't matter as long as they consistently field competitive team.
But it definitely has bad downside if doesn't work.
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Post#47 » by metafisical » Wed May 22, 2024 11:07 pm

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Now before you respond about being a hater, ask yourself why all the positive spin on a bad season? We have a completely injured starting five. We got bounced in the second round. We got beaten by a lower seed. We watched a defensive mastermind fail to tell his guards to go under on TJ McConnell.


Wait, what? How is this a bad season for the Knicks? Untimely injuiries in the playoffs led to the Knicks getting eliminated, not because the Pacers are better than the Knicks. As an outside observer, without the injuries, the Knicks would have the best shot at beating Boston and going to the Finals.

The CAA experiment seems to be working.
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Post#48 » by KnicksGadfly » Thu May 23, 2024 12:02 am

metafisical wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Now before you respond about being a hater, ask yourself why all the positive spin on a bad season? We have a completely injured starting five. We got bounced in the second round. We got beaten by a lower seed. We watched a defensive mastermind fail to tell his guards to go under on TJ McConnell.


Wait, what? How is this a bad season for the Knicks? Untimely injuiries in the playoffs led to the Knicks getting eliminated, not because the Pacers are better than the Knicks. As an outside observer, without the injuries, the Knicks would have the best shot at beating Boston and going to the Finals.

The CAA experiment seems to be working.


This man is only happy when he gets to talk trash about the Knicks. That's all.

If we were on a treadmill, fine. If this happens over and over again...fine. However, it's clear to me that we're making progress and there's a lot more hope and that this is an exciting off-season.

Hell, if the man just wants to be mad, let's just let him. Me and the rest of the Knicks fans got stuff to be excited about.

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Post#49 » by 8516knicks » Thu May 23, 2024 12:07 am

nedleeds wrote:With all the talk of Thibs getting extended (he will) have any of you actually seen how insane the take over is?

Leon is Thibs and Rick Brunson's agent (by proxy and CAA).

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Now before you respond about being a hater, ask yourself why all the positive spin on a bad season? We have a completely injured starting five. We got bounced in the second round. We got beaten by a lower seed. We watched a defensive mastermind fail to tell his guards to go under on TJ McConnell.

I like most of these players actually. But if you think this franchise is being run as a basketball team and not a adjoined business of CAA you are blind.

This franchise is eternally mid, won't win anything, and these players will only get older, more injured and paid more. The CAA coffers will overflow with bad deals, Dolans wallet (which I could give a **** about) will be siphoned 10 blocks down to CAA headquarters.

Eventually Dolan will wake up and realize we're capped out, injured, hopeless, and the bing bong sidewalk fans will realize that being 1st and 2nd round fodder isn't cool, Rose will be fired and our cap will be a graveyard of players on bad deals.


Is this your first year watching the NBA? Do you have any ANY ANY ANY idea how FAR this CAA team of Leon's has raised the KNICKS from the Bowery to Park Avenue? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :roll: :roll: :roll: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :noway: :noway: :noway: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:
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Re: The CAA Spin Machine 

Post#50 » by 8516knicks » Thu May 23, 2024 12:15 am

god shammgod wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Windhorst def thinks we will get someone. Bill Simmons says he thinks it only a matter of time and thinks Mikal Bridges is the ideal fit (I guess all depending on if the Nets can make another move) because keeping Bridges at some of his peak value on a bad team makes no sense for a high end role player.

It doesn't need to be a name star. It could just be someone that is seen as a very effective two-way player in a similar light as OG. Like he's not in the conversation as one of the best players in the league but he's one of the best two-way players and if we determine that players impact to help put us over the top).

I think we def need more size whether thats at guard or at the wing. It doesn't sound like Embiid is realistic anymore especially not with the jump Maxey made this playoffs and Sixers probably try to add to that roster with there space.

I think the mold for the NBA is have two high level offensive players and then have a team structure and identity with the rest of the players that are impactful and buy in.

Suns fizzled out because they had no team...they had 3 high level scorers but didn't have depth or role players.

Mavs playing well - Luka/Kyrie but then have guys like Josh Green, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford/Lively ect
Twolves - Ant/KAT with basically just role players and defenders. Naz Reid type having a big impact
Boston - Tatum/Brown and then to a lesser extent KP (but they got those elite role players like Whie/Jrue

even a team like Indy with Haliburton and Siakam are the two name players but those guys like Turner/Nesmith/McConnell really impacting playoff games.

probably getting something similar with Sixers.

Now obviously if Giannis becomes available sure...but if not I don't know who that player is. Paul George probably would be a good fit but the age and injury concerns worry me. I don't know if there is a younger version of him available but that type of player.


Spot on. The days of 3 superstars taking up 90% of a team's cap are over.

F*ck the Pacers. I don't respect them. But look at the remaining clubs:

Minnesota: Ant-Man, 3 high level bigs, a good PG, young wings.

Dallas: Luka, Kyrie, defenders and shooters

Boston: Tatum, Brown, and a high end supporting cast

It's all about having the most complete team now and not doing what Brooklyn and Phoenix did, just throwing 3 super max contracts together and praying it works. It's not 2010.

This roster is already set even if no moves are made. But obviously, some retooling is in order because Thibs at least needs 9 to 10 guys he can trust to play at all times.


minny will have 3 stars all on max deals next year though. gobert is a star, it's just not on offense. the celtics start 4 guys who have been all-stars and will have the most expensive starting 5 in the history of basketball. they have 4 guys making over 30 this year and in 2 years 2 of those guys will be making 50 each. you guys are kind of twisting the rules to fit this narSeerative. you can win with 2 or 3 if it's the right players. people point to the suns but maybe that's just a bad threesome and not the example that sets the rule. the clippers looked pretty good when healthy with their big 3. and sure you need good role players but you always needed some of those.


Clippers are never healthy. And even when/if they are we are FAR better when we are healthy. See February 2024.
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Post#51 » by nedleeds » Thu May 23, 2024 12:35 pm

8516knicks wrote:
nedleeds wrote:With all the talk of Thibs getting extended (he will) have any of you actually seen how insane the take over is?

Leon is Thibs and Rick Brunson's agent (by proxy and CAA).

Jacob Toppin

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Jalen Brunson

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Josh Hart

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and Julius Randle ... rejoins, after 2 seasons that ended in surgery. Just in time to sign a $181.5 extension this Summer with Sam Rose.

Read on Twitter


Now before you respond about being a hater, ask yourself why all the positive spin on a bad season? We have a completely injured starting five. We got bounced in the second round. We got beaten by a lower seed. We watched a defensive mastermind fail to tell his guards to go under on TJ McConnell.

I like most of these players actually. But if you think this franchise is being run as a basketball team and not a adjoined business of CAA you are blind.

This franchise is eternally mid, won't win anything, and these players will only get older, more injured and paid more. The CAA coffers will overflow with bad deals, Dolans wallet (which I could give a **** about) will be siphoned 10 blocks down to CAA headquarters.

Eventually Dolan will wake up and realize we're capped out, injured, hopeless, and the bing bong sidewalk fans will realize that being 1st and 2nd round fodder isn't cool, Rose will be fired and our cap will be a graveyard of players on bad deals.


Is this your first year watching the NBA? Do you have any ANY ANY ANY idea how FAR this CAA team of Leon's has raised the KNICKS from the Bowery to Park Avenue? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :roll: :roll: :roll: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :noway: :noway: :noway: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Yes. A second round exit in a dogshyte East where 50 wins got you the 2nd seed, which would have been 6th out West. If thats your Park Avenue you must live in a dumpster out back or a cardboard box, you sound like a Kings fan.
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Post#52 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu May 23, 2024 1:11 pm

nedleeds wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
nedleeds wrote:With all the talk of Thibs getting extended (he will) have any of you actually seen how insane the take over is?

Leon is Thibs and Rick Brunson's agent (by proxy and CAA).

Jacob Toppin

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Hartenstein

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Jalen Brunson

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Josh Hart

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OG Anunoby

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and Julius Randle ... rejoins, after 2 seasons that ended in surgery. Just in time to sign a $181.5 extension this Summer with Sam Rose.

Read on Twitter


Now before you respond about being a hater, ask yourself why all the positive spin on a bad season? We have a completely injured starting five. We got bounced in the second round. We got beaten by a lower seed. We watched a defensive mastermind fail to tell his guards to go under on TJ McConnell.

I like most of these players actually. But if you think this franchise is being run as a basketball team and not a adjoined business of CAA you are blind.

This franchise is eternally mid, won't win anything, and these players will only get older, more injured and paid more. The CAA coffers will overflow with bad deals, Dolans wallet (which I could give a **** about) will be siphoned 10 blocks down to CAA headquarters.

Eventually Dolan will wake up and realize we're capped out, injured, hopeless, and the bing bong sidewalk fans will realize that being 1st and 2nd round fodder isn't cool, Rose will be fired and our cap will be a graveyard of players on bad deals.


Is this your first year watching the NBA? Do you have any ANY ANY ANY idea how FAR this CAA team of Leon's has raised the KNICKS from the Bowery to Park Avenue? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :roll: :roll: :roll: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :noway: :noway: :noway: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Yes. A second round exit in a dogshyte East where 50 wins got you the 2nd seed, which would have been 6th out West. If thats your Park Avenue you must live in a dumpster out back or a cardboard box, you sound like a Kings fan.


You sound like a clueless cry baby who is just a troll. You're not a real Knicks fan. All you do is trash everything they do with zero context and no clue as to what is actually going on. You sound like SAS had a baby with Debbie Downer! :lol:

We have no idea what our record would be playing in the West. That argument is dead on arrival!

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Post#53 » by robillionaire » Thu May 23, 2024 2:09 pm

nedleeds wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
nedleeds wrote:With all the talk of Thibs getting extended (he will) have any of you actually seen how insane the take over is?

Leon is Thibs and Rick Brunson's agent (by proxy and CAA).

Jacob Toppin

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Hartenstein

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Jalen Brunson

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Josh Hart

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OG Anunoby

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and Julius Randle ... rejoins, after 2 seasons that ended in surgery. Just in time to sign a $181.5 extension this Summer with Sam Rose.

Read on Twitter


Now before you respond about being a hater, ask yourself why all the positive spin on a bad season? We have a completely injured starting five. We got bounced in the second round. We got beaten by a lower seed. We watched a defensive mastermind fail to tell his guards to go under on TJ McConnell.

I like most of these players actually. But if you think this franchise is being run as a basketball team and not a adjoined business of CAA you are blind.

This franchise is eternally mid, won't win anything, and these players will only get older, more injured and paid more. The CAA coffers will overflow with bad deals, Dolans wallet (which I could give a **** about) will be siphoned 10 blocks down to CAA headquarters.

Eventually Dolan will wake up and realize we're capped out, injured, hopeless, and the bing bong sidewalk fans will realize that being 1st and 2nd round fodder isn't cool, Rose will be fired and our cap will be a graveyard of players on bad deals.


Is this your first year watching the NBA? Do you have any ANY ANY ANY idea how FAR this CAA team of Leon's has raised the KNICKS from the Bowery to Park Avenue? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :roll: :roll: :roll: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :noway: :noway: :noway: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Yes. A second round exit in a dogshyte East where 50 wins got you the 2nd seed, which would have been 6th out West. If thats your Park Avenue you must live in a dumpster out back or a cardboard box, you sound like a Kings fan.


1. The 6th seed in the west who has the same record as we do beat the #1 seed and is going to the finals, so it’s not like the 6th seed in the west is bad

2. The current Knicks are not the same team that started the first half of the season. We were 20-3 (.867 best record in the entire nba by a wide margin) with OG in the lineup. We were 17-15 (.531) with the no-j Knicks and Randle coming off ankle surgery that started the season and after the trade finished 33-17 (.660 would be 4th in the west) the rest of the way and a lot of that was with OG missing 27 games with the elbow surgery where they went 13-14. With Randle and OG (still no Mitch) we were 13-2, again, best record in the nba.

So in conclusion the 6th in the west argument is bad because the pre trade team lumped in with the record doesn’t exist anymore and with our current roster and OG playing we were easily THE best team in the entire nba. And 6-2 in the playoffs and cruising before he got hurt. And even if you account for him missing a handful games a year we’d still be one of the best teams in the nba.
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Post#54 » by robillionaire » Thu May 23, 2024 2:38 pm

If the counter argument is that we can’t account for injuries when analyzing things because we will always be injured because Thibs, I don’t agree, but it’s at least a discussion. But for an honest discussion it must start with some kind of acknowledgement that with OG un-injured we had the best record in the nba on a pretty decent sample size and playoffs are no exception. That’s the potential this team has. Without that acknowledgement it’s not an honest conversation it’s just trolling
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Post#55 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu May 23, 2024 3:02 pm

robillionaire wrote:If the counter argument is that we can’t account for injuries when analyzing things because we will always be injured because Thibs, I don’t agree, but it’s at least a discussion. But for an honest discussion it must start with some kind of acknowledgement that with OG un-injured we had the best record in the nba on a pretty decent sample size and playoffs are no exception. That’s the potential this team has. Without that acknowledgement it’s not an honest conversation it’s just trolling

I think that's what nedleeds was implying.

My perception is that while some of the injuries can be attributed to overuse i.e. Thibs, some of them were the result of bad basketball luck, while a few others seemed to come from poor judgement by the medical staff.

But what is certain is that the first few injuries in the regular season seemed to have a domino effect throughout the rotation. And I think this outcome was a combination of bad luck and poor management. Mitch's injury put stress on iHart, Randle's injury (non overuse related) put stress on OG, OG's injury in turn put stress on Josh Hart, and Bogie's injury (non overuse related) was basically the nail in the coffin for running a reasonable frontcourt rotation in the playoffs.

So I don't think the injuries are inevitably embedded in the Thibs experience, and therefore in the CAA totalitarianism. But I think it'd be fair to say that Thibs does increase the risk of injuries snowballing.

In any case, I think we can make a legitimate argument that the Knicks - without these initial injuries (particularly Randle's) - could have made a run to the NBA Finals. So I think we are closer than what nedleeds claims we are.

Using agency ties has proven to be an effective way to build the roster, from securing commitments to signing several players to team-friendly deals. Is it dodgy or questionable in principle? It absolutely is, I reckon. Luckily, it has helped restore the credibility of the franchise. But I can see the downsides of it, in a scenario where those relationships are used on the wrong core players.

As a Knicks fan, at this point I'll take this even if I disagree with the principle. I'm tired of the gutter.
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Post#56 » by robillionaire » Thu May 23, 2024 3:18 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
robillionaire wrote:If the counter argument is that we can’t account for injuries when analyzing things because we will always be injured because Thibs, I don’t agree, but it’s at least a discussion. But for an honest discussion it must start with some kind of acknowledgement that with OG un-injured we had the best record in the nba on a pretty decent sample size and playoffs are no exception. That’s the potential this team has. Without that acknowledgement it’s not an honest conversation it’s just trolling

I think that's what nedleeds was implying.

My perception is that while some of the injuries can be attributed to overuse i.e. Thibs, some of them were the result of bad basketball luck, while a few others seemed to come from poor judgement by the medical staff.

So I don't think the injuries are inevitably embedded in the Thibs experience, and therefore in the CAA totalitarianism.

But what is certain is that the first few injuries in the regular season seemed to have a domino effect throughout the rotation. And I think this outcome was a combination of bad luck and poor management. Mitch's injury put stress on iHart, Randle's injury (non overuse related) put stress on OG, OG's injury in turn put stress on Josh Hart, and Bogie's injury (non overuse related) was basically the nail in the coffin for running a reasonable frontcourt rotation in the playoffs.

In any case, I think we can make a legitimate argument that the Knicks - without these initial injuries (particularly Randle's) - could have made a run to the NBA Finals. So I think we are closer than what nedleeds claims we are.

Using agency ties has proven to be an effective way to build the roster, from securing commitments to signing several players to team-friendly deals. Is it dodgy or questionable in principle? It absolutely is, I reckon. Luckily, it has helped restore the credibility of the franchise. But I can see the downsides of it, in a scenario where those relationships are used on the wrong core players.

As a Knicks fan, at this point I'll take this even if I disagree with the principle. I'm tired of the gutter.


Well what he did was find some jagoff on Twitter who said the season was magical and then wants to use that as a strawman when nobody posting here was even saying that. Saying the season was magical is indeed ridiculous, I would agree. But saying the season was “bad” is somehow even more bizarre based on the facts and how the team performed after the trade. We have every reason to be hopeful and optimistic about next year

And make no mistake he is not saying it’s bad in the sense where a competitor like Jalen Brunson might say it was bad because our goal was the championship and we fell short of the goal so it’s a bad outcome. Dude legit seems to think the team is bad, talentless, no point in even trying to compete and we should trade Brunson for picks and fire everyone. It’s somehow even more moronic of an opinion than saying it was magical.

Hart’s injury may have been the most obvious one that is overuse related, you correctly point out the circumstances that necessitated this overuse. But also, he played in FIBA all last summer and so did Brunson. They have been playing basketball for years in a row. They should have rested last summer. So I think this is a consideration but also a good thing because we can assume with Brunson Randle Bojan having surgery and others on the shelf and a couple roster tweaks they will indeed rest this summer and be in better shape next season and in position to play more reasonable minutes.

So no, I don’t accept that all these guys will for sure get injured again. Maybe OG will take a month off with some hangnail, Mitch will have something, I’m not saying we will have perfect health, but those dudes have a noted history of being injury prone. I trust we will jump out to a better start than last season’s team so we aren’t playing from behind in the standings and will be able to plan on keeping them more fresh nearing the playoffs next year.
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Post#57 » by sol537 » Thu May 23, 2024 3:29 pm

We're keeping OG, so I would 100% trade Mitch Robinson because having two injury-prone players getting big minutes is a recipe for disaster... mitigate the risk...
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Post#58 » by Capn'O » Thu May 23, 2024 3:30 pm

^What we need to ensure is that we have requisite depth to save big minutes for the stretch run and playoffs.
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Post#59 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu May 23, 2024 3:33 pm

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robillionaire wrote:If the counter argument is that we can’t account for injuries when analyzing things because we will always be injured because Thibs, I don’t agree, but it’s at least a discussion. But for an honest discussion it must start with some kind of acknowledgement that with OG un-injured we had the best record in the nba on a pretty decent sample size and playoffs are no exception. That’s the potential this team has. Without that acknowledgement it’s not an honest conversation it’s just trolling

I think that's what nedleeds was implying.

My perception is that while some of the injuries can be attributed to overuse i.e. Thibs, some of them were the result of bad basketball luck, while a few others seemed to come from poor judgement by the medical staff.

But what is certain is that the first few injuries in the regular season seemed to have a domino effect throughout the rotation. And I think this outcome was a combination of bad luck and poor management. Mitch's injury put stress on iHart, Randle's injury (non overuse related) put stress on OG, OG's injury in turn put stress on Josh Hart, and Bogie's injury (non overuse related) was basically the nail in the coffin for running a reasonable frontcourt rotation in the playoffs.

So I don't think the injuries are inevitably embedded in the Thibs experience, and therefore in the CAA totalitarianism. But I think it'd be fair to say that Thibs does increase the risk of injuries snowballing.

In any case, I think we can make a legitimate argument that the Knicks - without these initial injuries (particularly Randle's) - could have made a run to the NBA Finals. So I think we are closer than what nedleeds claims we are.

Using agency ties has proven to be an effective way to build the roster, from securing commitments to signing several players to team-friendly deals. Is it dodgy or questionable in principle? It absolutely is, I reckon. Luckily, it has helped restore the credibility of the franchise. But I can see the downsides of it, in a scenario where those relationships are used on the wrong core players.

As a Knicks fan, at this point I'll take this even if I disagree with the principle. I'm tired of the gutter.


Both of you make awesome points in response. It falls on deaf ears however so the best response is:

You sound like a clueless cry baby who is just a troll. You're not a real Knicks fan. All you do is trash everything they do with zero context and no clue as to what is actually going on. You sound like SAS had a baby with Debbie Downer! :lol:

We have no idea what our record would be playing in the West. That argument is dead on arrival!

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Post#60 » by 8516knicks » Thu May 23, 2024 4:09 pm

DaGawd wrote:some folks are just born miserable… wtf


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