Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle?

[spree2kawhi]

KAT and OG are different circumstances, though. Raptors blowing it up was an inevitability. T-Wolves blowing it up was contingent on their success. So I think it's next to 0 that he's traded now. Last offseason would have been the best opportunity to trade for him.

And with the salary cap going, his contract gets more palatable.

They still have Reid and would get Randle back too. All of that while saving 20 million in salary plus luxury tax.

That’s a very, very good deal. I think it is naive to believe they wouldn’t consider it.

People here keep telling me Randle is just as good, but even tougher than KAT. LOL! Then why wouldn’t they take our deal and run?

Randle in a package for KAT and Minny is more cap complaint and still a damn good team. They absolutely WOULD consider it. No one wants to be above the 2nd tax apron. And that KAT contract is huge ballooning over 60M in its last 2 years.

Thank you. Finally some common sense.

[spree2kawhi]

seems like its kind of a hot take. but id keep randle in a straight up 1 for 1.

kat is too soft and butted heads with thibs before. randle is not affraid of contact. might be slightly less of a shooter , but KAT is not the right guy for us and i think randle is better.

KAT needed Ant and Randle needed brunson.

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong

[KnixinSix]

They still have Reid and would get Randle back too. All of that while saving 20 million in salary plus luxury tax.

That’s a very, very good deal. I think it is naive to believe they wouldn’t consider it.

People here keep telling me Randle is just as good, but even tougher than KAT. LOL! Then why wouldn’t they take our deal and run?

Randle in a package for KAT and Minny is more cap complaint and still a damn good team. They absolutely WOULD consider it. No one wants to be above the 2nd tax apron. And that KAT contract is huge ballooning over 60M in its last 2 years.

Thank you. Finally some common sense.

Which is also why Knicks probably wouldn't have to give up much besides Randle in a package too. Most folks are simply ignoring the impact of the 2nd apron as if teams could care less about it , especially small market teams. Not true at all. Teams are going to want to stay out of that 2nd tax apron which is extremely punitive both move wise and penalty in dollar wise.

Knicks may be one of the few teams with so many good contracts on the roster that they could take on KATs money.

People here love to trash Randle too like he has no value. Thats hilarious anyone who understands Basketball can see the effect Randle has when he is on the floor. Do you think he gets doubled almost every single time down low because he somehow sucks. Teams gameplan specifically for him. He totally opens up the floor for Brunson and the other shooters. Did we need see how Brunson was absolutely blitzed, abused and manhandled by every single team after we lost Reuben? Thats because there was no one they had to remotely respect down low once he was gone.

I think Minny would absolutely jump at the chance of getting out of KATs contract and running it back with Randle. He actually may be even a better fit with Goebert and the rest of that squad than KAT was

Truthfully the only reason I'd consider KAT over Randle is the 3 point shooting and his ability to play 4 with some 5. I like his fit better with the current make up of the team. Randle is not garbage though we love to dump on him bc of a few playoff performances.

[spree2kawhi]

Randle in a package for KAT and Minny is more cap complaint and still a damn good team. They absolutely WOULD consider it. No one wants to be above the 2nd tax apron. And that KAT contract is huge ballooning over 60M in its last 2 years.

Thank you. Finally some common sense.

Which is also why Knicks probably wouldn't have to give up much besides Randle in a package too. Most folks are simply ignoring the impact of the 2nd apron as if teams could care less about it , especially small market teams. Not true at all. Teams are going to want to stay out of that 2nd tax apron which is extremely punitive both move wise and penalty in dollar wise.

Knicks may be one of the few teams with so many good contracts on the roster that they could take on KATs money.

People here love to trash Randle too like he has no value. Thats hilarious anyone who understands Basketball can see the effect Randle has when he is on the floor. Do you think he gets doubled almost every single time down low because he somehow sucks. Teams gameplan specifically for him. He totally opens up the floor for Brunson and the other shooters. Did we need see how Brunson was absolutely blitzed, abused and manhandled by every single team after we lost Reuben? Thats because there was no one they had to remotely respect down low once he was gone.

I think Minny would absolutley jump at the chance of getting out of KATs contract and running it back with Randle. He actually may be even a better fit with Goebert than KAT was

100%

There is some nonsense thrown around here regarding Towns that is hard to believe. Randle is very good too and very valuable. I like the guy very much and the contract is (still) good. But due to his low basketball IQ and streaky shooting, he’s still only our third best player. We’re more erratic with him than we were during these playoffs without him. Trading for Towns, who isn’t a perfect player but much more solid and unselfish, would iron out these flaws for this team.

[KnixinSix]

Thank you. Finally some common sense.

Which is also why Knicks probably wouldn't have to give up much besides Randle in a package too. Most folks are simply ignoring the impact of the 2nd apron as if teams could care less about it , especially small market teams. Not true at all. Teams are going to want to stay out of that 2nd tax apron which is extremely punitive both move wise and penalty in dollar wise.

Knicks may be one of the few teams with so many good contracts on the roster that they could take on KATs money.

People here love to trash Randle too like he has no value. Thats hilarious anyone who understands Basketball can see the effect Randle has when he is on the floor. Do you think he gets doubled almost every single time down low because he somehow sucks. Teams gameplan specifically for him. He totally opens up the floor for Brunson and the other shooters. Did we need see how Brunson was absolutely blitzed, abused and manhandled by every single team after we lost Reuben? Thats because there was no one they had to remotely respect down low once he was gone.

I think Minny would absolutley jump at the chance of getting out of KATs contract and running it back with Randle. He actually may be even a better fit with Goebert than KAT was

100%

There is some nonsense thrown around here regarding Towns that is hard to believe. Randle is very good too and very valuable. I like the guy very much and the contract is (still) good. But due to his low basketball IQ and streaky shooting, he’s still only our third best player. We’re more erratic with him than we were during these playoffs without him. Trading for Towns, who isn’t a perfect player but much more solid and unselfish, would iron out these flaws for this team.

I think we improve if we essentially trade KAT for Randle. So I don't mind that route at all. Plus almost every guy that has come on board into our system/cultrue has seen an uptick in production too.KAT is one of the few that combines at least 3 or 4 of the 6 top things I want most if we get a star/superstar:


-Young enough (31 or below, with sub 30 even more preferable) (not Durant, Paul George)
- Player who is elite/near elite offensively
-Player who has decent defensive ability and IQ as there is a difference between a guy who simply can't play D vs a guy who can but may be a bit lax on D in his current role on another team (not Lavine, Lillard etc)
-Player who is not overly injury prone . Almost all player have some level of injury history but in the past 3-4 years did they play in over 75% of their games (not Embiid, Paul George)
-Player who preferably doesn't have a monster contract (KAT, Booker, LaVine)
-Fit our offense well

The guys who check the most boxes above to me are Giannis (by far), Booker, Donavon Mitchell, Mikal Bridges, DeJounte Murray, and KAT. If the star we get isn't an elite combo guard type, I would love a 2nd follow up move to bring in a 2ndary truly adept ballhandler/combo guard to take pressure off of Brunson's rough and tumble game.

[nedleeds]

seems like its kind of a hot take. but id keep randle in a straight up 1 for 1.

kat is too soft and butted heads with thibs before. randle is not affraid of contact. might be slightly less of a shooter , but KAT is not the right guy for us and i think randle is better.

KAT needed Ant and Randle needed brunson.

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong

I don't really want his $62 million in 27-28 but KAT is a completely superior offensive player other than being driven into the ground by his coach with minutes and counting stats.

It isn't even close. He's a superior shooter from everywhere. Comparable rebounder. Randle probably a better passer when he cares to. To think otherwise is just to be a sidewalk road apple Knicks homer.

[spree2kawhi]

seems like its kind of a hot take. but id keep randle in a straight up 1 for 1.

kat is too soft and butted heads with thibs before. randle is not affraid of contact. might be slightly less of a shooter , but KAT is not the right guy for us and i think randle is better.

KAT needed Ant and Randle needed brunson.

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong

I don't really want his $62 million in 27-28 but KAT is a completely superior offensive player other than being driven into the ground by his coach with minutes and counting stats.

It isn't even close. He's a superior shooter from everywhere. Comparable rebounder. Randle probably a better passer when he cares to. To think otherwise is just to be a sidewalk road apple Knicks homer.

The homerism is tough to endure sometimes. And again, I like Randle.

[HarthorneWingo]

Thank you. Finally some common sense.

Which is also why Knicks probably wouldn't have to give up much besides Randle in a package too. Most folks are simply ignoring the impact of the 2nd apron as if teams could care less about it , especially small market teams. Not true at all. Teams are going to want to stay out of that 2nd tax apron which is extremely punitive both move wise and penalty in dollar wise.

Knicks may be one of the few teams with so many good contracts on the roster that they could take on KATs money.

People here love to trash Randle too like he has no value. Thats hilarious anyone who understands Basketball can see the effect Randle has when he is on the floor. Do you think he gets doubled almost every single time down low because he somehow sucks. Teams gameplan specifically for him. He totally opens up the floor for Brunson and the other shooters. Did we need see how Brunson was absolutely blitzed, abused and manhandled by every single team after we lost Reuben? Thats because there was no one they had to remotely respect down low once he was gone.

I think Minny would absolutley jump at the chance of getting out of KATs contract and running it back with Randle. He actually may be even a better fit with Goebert than KAT was

100%

There is some nonsense thrown around here regarding Towns that is hard to believe. Randle is very good too and very valuable. I like the guy very much and the contract is (still) good. But due to his low basketball IQ and streaky shooting, he’s still only our third best player. We’re more erratic with him than we were during these playoffs without him. Trading for Towns, who isn’t a perfect player but much more solid and unselfish, would iron out these flaws for this team.

We were 12-2 with after the OG trade with Randle and Brunson in the lineup.

Also, according to RealGM Wiretap

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275840/Knicks-Not-Trying-To-Trade-Julius-Randle

The New York Knicks are set up for an important summer. They have some key roster decisions, including extensions and re-signings. One thing that doesn't appear to be on the priority list is trading Julius Randle.

The Knicks are not actively shopping Randle. New York understands that adding a star player this summer may mean having to trade Randle. However, the Knicks aren't taking a must-trade approach to their star forward's status.

Randle is eligible for an extension in early-August. New York isn't likely to pursue an extension, because that would come with a months-long trade restriction. The Knicks are prioritizing flexibility with trades, as well as under the tax aprons, this offseason and into next season.

My interpretation of this is that the Knicks would have to be bowled over by a team coming to us to trade for Randle.

[NoStatsGuy]

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong

I don't really want his $62 million in 27-28 but KAT is a completely superior offensive player other than being driven into the ground by his coach with minutes and counting stats.

It isn't even close. He's a superior shooter from everywhere. Comparable rebounder. Randle probably a better passer when he cares to. To think otherwise is just to be a sidewalk road apple Knicks homer.

The homerism is tough to endure sometimes. And again, I like Randle.

what homerism? you picked 4 season to compare when both of them played in the league for longer? what a weak attempt to twist the stats around...

Kat is a slightly - or cut out the slighty, if you think its that big of a discrepancy - better shooter and thats all. randle taking a lot more tough shots, give shotselection to KAT aswell. but randle is better in pretty much every other category. including motor, physicality and everything you dont see on the stat sheet. you can call me homer all you want, i already know what kind of knick fan im dealing with here. KAT is a spot up guy and randle creates more for himself and others. thats why the stats look like that. like dont try to talk ball with me, you have no clue.

Kat doesnt work with the knicks, hes not that kind of guy. and both of them are close enough in terms of productivity, that i take the guy with an actual motor and not camping the threepoint line.

[Juco24]

YES!!

[RHODEY]

As I watch Dallas and Minny trade blows in QTR 4 of Game 2..I ask myself...is Naz Reed better than Towns? It sure does look that way. Because when they need a basket..look who is stepping up.

[RHODEY]

Thank you. Finally some common sense.

Which is also why Knicks probably wouldn't have to give up much besides Randle in a package too. Most folks are simply ignoring the impact of the 2nd apron as if teams could care less about it , especially small market teams. Not true at all. Teams are going to want to stay out of that 2nd tax apron which is extremely punitive both move wise and penalty in dollar wise.

Knicks may be one of the few teams with so many good contracts on the roster that they could take on KATs money.

People here love to trash Randle too like he has no value. Thats hilarious anyone who understands Basketball can see the effect Randle has when he is on the floor. Do you think he gets doubled almost every single time down low because he somehow sucks. Teams gameplan specifically for him. He totally opens up the floor for Brunson and the other shooters. Did we need see how Brunson was absolutely blitzed, abused and manhandled by every single team after we lost Reuben? Thats because there was no one they had to remotely respect down low once he was gone.

I think Minny would absolutley jump at the chance of getting out of KATs contract and running it back with Randle. He actually may be even a better fit with Goebert than KAT was

100%

There is some nonsense thrown around here regarding Towns that is hard to believe. Randle is very good too and very valuable. I like the guy very much and the contract is (still) good. But due to his low basketball IQ and streaky shooting, he’s still only our third best player. We’re more erratic with him than we were during these playoffs without him. Trading for Towns, who isn’t a perfect player but much more solid and unselfish, would iron out these flaws for this team.

Speaking of Streak shooting...your vastly superior offensive pick has been on a burner... not sure why you are so high on this dude

[Clyde_Style]

I see people sparring over who is the better player.

The real question is who is the better fit for this team that is going to continue to be built around Brunson.

Who would play off of Brunson better and who would fill our needs most is just as important or more important than just their stats.

[sol537]

KAT is not a winner. I’ll keep saying it.

[robillionaire]

KAT is not a winner. I’ll keep saying it.

Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here

[aggo]

does anyone want to post images of Randle's post season stats?

let's start with the last 2 years with brunson.

[NoStatsGuy]

does anyone want to post images of Randle's post season stats?

let's start with the last 2 years with brunson.

dont forget to add the injury report aswell

[NoStatsGuy]

KAT is not a winner. I’ll keep saying it.

Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here

and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying

[3toheadmelo]

KAT is not a winner. I’ll keep saying it.

Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here

and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying

they went on a run without him. Naz reid was carrying them.

also let’s not forget Randle destroyed KAT earlier this season. terrible person rob

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[thebuzzardman]

Thank you. Finally some common sense.

Which is also why Knicks probably wouldn't have to give up much besides Randle in a package too. Most folks are simply ignoring the impact of the 2nd apron as if teams could care less about it , especially small market teams. Not true at all. Teams are going to want to stay out of that 2nd tax apron which is extremely punitive both move wise and penalty in dollar wise.

Knicks may be one of the few teams with so many good contracts on the roster that they could take on KATs money.

People here love to trash Randle too like he has no value. Thats hilarious anyone who understands Basketball can see the effect Randle has when he is on the floor. Do you think he gets doubled almost every single time down low because he somehow sucks. Teams gameplan specifically for him. He totally opens up the floor for Brunson and the other shooters. Did we need see how Brunson was absolutely blitzed, abused and manhandled by every single team after we lost Reuben? Thats because there was no one they had to remotely respect down low once he was gone.

I think Minny would absolutley jump at the chance of getting out of KATs contract and running it back with Randle. He actually may be even a better fit with Goebert than KAT was

100%

There is some nonsense thrown around here regarding Towns that is hard to believe. Randle is very good too and very valuable. I like the guy very much and the contract is (still) good. But due to his low basketball IQ and streaky shooting, he’s still only our third best player. We’re more erratic with him than we were during these playoffs without him. Trading for Towns, who isn’t a perfect player but much more solid and unselfish, would iron out these flaws for this team.

Knicks re-sign OG
Knicks re-sign iShart
Knicks will have to give Brunson a bigger contract. Let's assume he'll manage his extension/option in a way that most benefits putting together a great team
Knicks probably need to put some $ into a backup PG, either what Rokas would be paid, or someone else for the MLE (if they still have it)

Knicks trade Randle and get KAT.

Where does all of the above put the Knicks 1st and 2nd tax apron wise? If it's a bad idea for Minny, it's also a bad idea for the Knicks.

I can't see Aller being into the Knicks blowing up their future flexibility for KAT.



I get the basketball reasons that Randle for KAT (and still trying to get Bridges) makes sense.

It's a team that can go big or go smaller.
It's a team built to get past Boston.
It's a really good team in general.
Can go 5 out with Towns at C.

I get that Randle is a really good player. This is about upgrade via a certain kind of fit. IF you believe that to be true. It SEEMS true to me, but who knows.