Anthony Black - Arkansas

[Rustyman]

Trade him to the Spurs for 2 seconds. We would like to take a flyer on Black.

Well if that isnt a green font...

Trade Wemby to the Magic for 3 Frps. We can always use a quality C.

So what is the price for Black? At this stage I doubt it is a lottery pick.

[basketballRob]

The Magic won't trade Black. He's a good player and just turned 20.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Trade him to the Spurs for 2 seconds. We would like to take a flyer on Black.

Well if that isnt a green font...

Trade Wemby to the Magic for 3 Frps. We can always use a quality C.

So what is the price for Black? At this stage I doubt it is a lottery pick.

I would trade #10 and more for Black right now.

[Rustyman]

I would trade #10 and more for Black right now.

That's too rich. What about the Bulls top 10 protected pick next year?

[RookieStar]

Trade him to the Spurs for 2 seconds. We would like to take a flyer on Black.

Well if that isnt a green font...

Trade Wemby to the Magic for 3 Frps. We can always use a quality C.

So what is the price for Black? At this stage I doubt it is a lottery pick.

Lol. Why would we trade a very promising rookie?

We already experienced with rookie Suggs who probably had the worst stats of their lotto class as well as the worst shooting% and always got stripped.

But if you ask it seriously, who knows what the org thinks but our board feels AB plus our FRPs warchest could get us a star.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Well if that isnt a green font...

Trade Wemby to the Magic for 3 Frps. We can always use a quality C.

So what is the price for Black? At this stage I doubt it is a lottery pick.

I would trade #10 and more for Black right now.

I'm not surprised

[basketballRob]

People tend to overrate draft picks until they play. Someone here thinks half the draft picks will be better than Black. After 2 months of this upcoming season they'll never be seen again in this thread.

[JMAC3]

Are there really better PG prospects in this draft over AB? That sounds like bs.

There are no PG better than AB in this draft. AB now would be taken at #2/3 easily.

This the comment that I am attacking, there is no world a team is taking a rookie that wasn't even a top 15 rookie 2nd or 3rd after his mediocre season at best.

The 15th pick is probably what he is worth if we are being honest.

[FarBeyondDriven]

People tend to overrate draft picks until they play. Someone here thinks half the draft picks will be better than Black. After 2 months of this upcoming season they'll never be seen again in this thread.

I don't know how to explain to you in more simpler terms than I already have. Nothing anyone does next season matters as it pertains to this discussion. All 58 players drafted could outperform Black's rookie season and it wouldn't mean I'm right. Therefore you won't see me taking laps. I'm not going anywhere. Do you need me to regularly check in and provide updates? I will if that will make you feel better. You can't judge these guys (including Black) until they're fully developed which can take 3-5 years. Brunson was still a 6th man after three seasons. He didn't get truly unlocked until his 5th season. You seem personally affronted that someone likes other prospects more than Black.

[JMAC3]

I don't know how to explain to you in more simpler terms than I already have. Nothing anyone does next season matters as it pertains to this discussion. All 58 players drafted could outperform Black's rookie season and it wouldn't mean I'm right. Therefore you won't see me taking laps. I'm not going anywhere. Do you need me to regularly check in and provide updates? I will if that will make you feel better. You can't judge these guys (including Black) until they're fully developed which can take 3-5 years. Brunson was still a 6th man after three seasons. He didn't get truly unlocked until his 5th season. You seem personally affronted that someone likes other prospects more than Black.

Yes the book isn't closed, but we also shouldn't act like he hasn't lost value as a trade asset. It is not different than Scoot, who has lost a lot of value in the trade market. Scoot the prospect would probably be in the convo for #1, he has nowhere close to that value now. He is probably not even worth a top 10 pick in this draft at this point, doesn't mean he sucks or won't improve but it's called just being honest.

I would rather take a 100% unknown chance on Topic over both Scoot and Black who have already showed massive issues in their games.

[QingJames]

Black played 68% of his nearly 1200 NBA minutes at PG and did nothing. It’s not as though the Magic didn’t desperately need playmaking and better point guard play than what they had. Struggling to understand what his future role in the league is supposed to be - if he were a true lead guard, we’d see some of those skills in his rookie year. Will he be an off-ball spot-up threat at the 2? Jury’s still out on his 3 ball. 94 attempts is nothing.

Usually rookies that go on to be starters or stars show some skill in their rookie year that only a few other guys in the league have. I don’t know what Black’s special skill is supposed to be.

[Blazinaway]

Lots of POR fans would like him back in a Simons trade

[SeattleJazzFan]

what about stephon castle is better than black?

black is bigger, was a better shooter at the same stage and a better passer/playmaker. neither showed much ability as a scorer and both showed excellent potential as on ball defenders.

also, why do seemingly a lot of orlando fans want to draft his clone?

[RookieStar]

what about stephon castle is better than black?

black is bigger, was a better shooter at the same stage and a better passer/playmaker. neither showed much ability as a scorer and both showed excellent potential as on ball defenders.

also, why do seemingly a lot of orlando fans want to draft his clone?

Who said we want to draft Castle?

In our board a lot of us are in the "big man" choice or just trading out of the draft.

We don't want to put "blockers" on our 2 high lotto picks in a strong draft until we know for sure what we have with them.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I don't know how to explain to you in more simpler terms than I already have. Nothing anyone does next season matters as it pertains to this discussion. All 58 players drafted could outperform Black's rookie season and it wouldn't mean I'm right. Therefore you won't see me taking laps. I'm not going anywhere. Do you need me to regularly check in and provide updates? I will if that will make you feel better. You can't judge these guys (including Black) until they're fully developed which can take 3-5 years. Brunson was still a 6th man after three seasons. He didn't get truly unlocked until his 5th season. You seem personally affronted that someone likes other prospects more than Black.

Yes the book isn't closed, but we also shouldn't act like he hasn't lost value as a trade asset. It is not different than Scoot, who has lost a lot of value in the trade market. Scoot the prospect would probably be in the convo for #1, he has nowhere close to that value now. He is probably not even worth a top 10 pick in this draft at this point, doesn't mean he sucks or won't improve but it's called just being honest.

I would rather take a 100% unknown chance on Topic over both Scoot and Black who have already showed massive issues in their games.

oh, no doubt. We obviously have better insight now after seeing them in the NBA and they both hurt themselves. But this Summer will be the first time in their careers they can work with NBA professional coaches and trainers and focus solely on improving as it pertains to the role their teams see them in. After getting drafted, they have huge marketing obligations, have to move, have to get used to their new team and cities and it's a whirlwind for these 19 y/o. Then they have to fight for minutes, fight against coaching bias, teammates not wanting to hand things to them, etc. as rookies. It's a lot. We'll know rather quickly this SL (if they're even allowed to participate) whether they've improved and by the end of season 2 we should have a firm grasp on what they are as a player and what upside still exists. Then it just becomes about opportunity.

[jezzerinho]

Black played 68% of his nearly 1200 NBA minutes at PG and did nothing. It’s not as though the Magic didn’t desperately need playmaking and better point guard play than what they had. Struggling to understand what his future role in the league is supposed to be - if he were a true lead guard, we’d see some of those skills in his rookie year. Will he be an off-ball spot-up threat at the 2? Jury’s still out on his 3 ball. 94 attempts is nothing.

Usually rookies that go on to be starters or stars show some skill in their rookie year that only a few other guys in the league have. I don’t know what Black’s special skill is supposed to be.

He did and he didnt. He was nominally the "1" and defended the point but in terms of role he was asked to bring the ball up and hand it off to Paolo/Franz then go stand in the corner. Fultz was given the same role when he returned and supplanted Black. Neither really played the 1. They were wings who defended guards basically.

The bench point guard was Jingles.

It doesnt invalidate your point in that the limited role just shows the coaches didnt have faith in his PG abilities. But what wouldnt be fair to say is that Orlando tried him as a PG and he failed. He was never given the keys.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Black played 68% of his nearly 1200 NBA minutes at PG and did nothing. It’s not as though the Magic didn’t desperately need playmaking and better point guard play than what they had. Struggling to understand what his future role in the league is supposed to be - if he were a true lead guard, we’d see some of those skills in his rookie year. Will he be an off-ball spot-up threat at the 2? Jury’s still out on his 3 ball. 94 attempts is nothing.

Usually rookies that go on to be starters or stars show some skill in their rookie year that only a few other guys in the league have. I don’t know what Black’s special skill is supposed to be.

He did and he didnt. He was nominally the "1" and defended the point but in terms of role he was asked to bring the ball up and hand it off to Paolo/Franz then go stand in the corner. Fultz was given the same role when he returned and supplanted Black. Neither really played the 1. They were wings who defended guards basically.

The bench point guard was Jingles.

It doesnt invalidate your point in that the limited role just shows the coaches didnt have faith in his PG abilities. But what wouldnt be fair to say is that Orlando tried him as a PG and he failed. He was never given the keys.

I think this is a new era where the traditional PG and those duties are no longer relevant. Most teams run their offense through whoever can score and usually after forcing switches at the top of the key. This means traditional point guards that bring the ball up the court just hand it off and go stand in the corner. Which is why taking a traditional PG like Black (or Castle) that struggles to shoot when you won't run the offense through him relegating him to an off-ball role in the half-court, makes no sense. The reason I feel Castle would work with the Wizards is because unlike those other scorers offenses run through that need the ball in their hands, Poole is actually better off-ball so Castle wouldn't be off-ball himself where his shooting would be an issue and he could play the more traditional point guard role.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Black has a +64 Net Rating in his 55 minutes so far, with a 38.5 On/Off.

obviously small sample size and these metrics will normalize soon but this will be story of Black's career...constant underrating by general public meanwhile he continues to absolutely shred all impact metrics.

he'll be a great litmus test to know which people know what they are talking about and which dont right off the bat.

word

[Braggins]

Its honestly fascinating to me that there are people on here that were low on Black pre-draft that actually think that his rookie season confirmed their opinion.

[Colbinii]

I am interested in seeing how Anthony Black and Dyson Daniels progress. Stephon Castle is a similar mould.